It is amazing that mormon Beck gets so much backing by the predominant Southern Baptists in this state since that is one of the "cults" they preach against about once a month. Sure shows that religion is still only an 11:00-12:00 Sunday practice in much of our state.

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Perhaps even more to the point . . .

http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-op…

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It's a shame a president must "politic" while in office, rather than focusing on the job at hand. I'd rather the president spend 100% of his time and attention on the the million things he needs to fix with this country, not part of his energy on the job and part on running around campaigning.

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I don't know why I remembered;

"It is no accident that conservatism has arisen at the same time the public education system in the United States has declined. "

"It is also no accident that conservatism is strongest in the same parts of America where education is weakest."

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Change the debate to a religious one just like the Republican's did in the last 2 presidential election. Here's their argument: God said that homosexuality is wrong and they believe in gay marriage so they are wrong. If you vote for him...you are wrong and against God.

This time the argument looks like it's forming to be: Liberation theology is not true Christianity and Barack Obama believes is Liberation Theology so he must not be a true Christian. No, he's not a Muslim but he's definately not a "TRUE CHRISTIAN" like us.

I wish Dems would get to responding to this crap. The Tea Party and other Republican affiliated groups are tossing slow pitch softballs over the plate and Dems are just not swinging.

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I agree with Dionne, though I think it's really too late. Obama's campaign against this onslaught from the rabid right ought to have begun from day one of the new administration. He has been very badly advised up to now by his centrist advisers.

On Beck's doltish misrepresentation of liberation theology, Jim Martin at Huffington Post today is stellar: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-james-ma…

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Weren't there some religious leaders in the American Revolution who led the fight among their congregations. I guess they were wrong also!

I wonder who's religion the Tea Party people want to force on the rest of America? They seem more like Pharasees than any of the good examples in teh Bible.

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It's racism color coded with a little religion nothing more or less. Worse than 1865 for now they are armed. Southern Baptist condoned it then and now.

GE 4:13-15 Cain--who murdered his brother Abel--is promised protection by God.

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National Democrats have been running toward the "middle," which apparently means Dwight David Eisenhower, at least since the Carter administration, and look what it's gained us.

Since the T-Baggers want a culture war, let's tee it up. They might be surprised to discover how few rich old white losers there are in this country, if we start counting votes and not dollars, and if Obama would just grow a pair.

If the T-Baggers really are the majority, we'll get what we deserve.

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I agree with Silverback...I've always followed the belief that battles can be sacrificed for the greater good but if it comes to war...win.

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Beck shot himself in the foot with the whole Obumble being a racists thing. I don't think Obumble is a racist. True he may have went to a church with a freak as a pastor that espouses some pretty weird stuff, but that doesn't make Obumble a racist.

Beck has done some good stuff, but he's getting a little weird lately. Some good stuff he does on his show is give some good history lessons, and I don't think Beck is a racist, but he's totally killed himself with some of his nutty talk.

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Maybe it's a case of "two great minds running on the same track," but I note that Paul Krugman's column today made much the same point as Dionne's:

"If I were President Obama, I’d be doing all I could to head off this prospect, offering some major new initiatives on the economic front in particular, if only to shake up the political dynamic. But my guess is that the president will continue to play it safe, all the way into catastrophe."

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Forgot a link to Krugman's column, in case anybody needs it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/opinion/…

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ActMax, his name is President Obama...please show just a bit of good manners.

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I agree with Silverback...I've always followed the belief that battles can be sacrificed for the greater good but if it comes to war...win.

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As long as Rahm Emanuel is hanging around the White House, I don't anticipate a change in Obama's tactics.

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Obumble's problem is that he and the dems, and heck most republicans for that matter, never learn that you can not government spend your way into prosperity, but big libs and even not so big libs never learn that. You only think the only solution to any problem, or any issue for that matter, is to throw more and more tax payer money at any and all problems, issues, whatever. Just spend more, come up with more government spending programs, yeah, that's the ticket.

Now deficits are at a nightmare level, and this country will soon be tittering on the brink of economic collapse, when the US dollar drops to record lows. You cannot pretend that the US Dollar is monopoly money and just print more, just print more, and spend it, without it eventually catching up. That will be why Obumble will fail in the long run. Not because of tea baggers and Glenn Beckers.

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A God who liberates the oppressed?

Nowhere in the Scriptures will you find such a thing!

What an evil, distorted, Liberal perversion.

(No doubt there are those who claim it's not that simple, that the liberation theme has been taken too far and misapplied. That's a discussion I'd be willing to have with anyone who has actually read "My Soul Looks Back," the centerpiece of liberation theology writings by Bearden native Dr. James H. Cone. I wouldn't expend time in the discussion with someone who simply "heard" or "gathered" what liberation theology is all about.)

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I saw a clip last night on Fox about Beck's little rally. They claimed people came by the tens of thousands.

I kept looking for a crowd shot that showed the whole crowd but Fox did not have one, that indicated that the crowd was not very impressive. Just close in shot for a crowd or a down low shot to show a line of people "stretching all the way to the Lincoln Memorial".

Fox probably won't try to sneak in other footage from old rallys again. No "cherry blossums in one shot, bare trees in the next," etc. like before.

Or hell the Fox watchers probably wouldn't care if for did that again, they seem to believe any thing Fox rolls out.

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I think Obama is doing a decent job, considering the magnitude of the economic mess along with the stiff-arm tact of the republicans(granted sadly predictable). Obama is following through with the majority of his campaign promises (good and bad), so now it is up to Congress and us to demand more from all sides.

If going back to cutting taxes (Voodoo economics) without spending cuts and restrictions is the rights tired mantra - then watch out!

While I do NOT agree with some of what our President has and continues to do, it's a decent start, with corrections to hopefully come. The Great Depression lasted approximately 14 years, from start to finish. I suspect(hope) this economic poop-hole will last half that time.

In the end, we need statesmen that will agree to disagree without calling the other a terrorist, while working on items they can agree upon..something lacking in the current environment.

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Oh yeah..as for Glenn Beck...does any rational person take this flea seriously? In times of turmoil, a snakeskin salesman can peddle away, yet we hope it ends in proverbial "tar and feather" event. What some in this country, media and other venues are doing is tearing us apart and raising the level of hostility to a serious and potential dangerous level.

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Next to where I am typing is a large ad for USA Drug, the same people who gave Rep. Mike Ross 4 times what his piddly drug store in Prescott was worth. The same Mike Ross who is against health care reform, yet continues to call himself a Democrat.

See, this is like Glenn Beck. The only thing that matters is the money. Rupert Murdoch keeps Glenn Beck around no matter how bat-shit crazy he acts because Glenn is still pulling money in for News Corp. Beck can shit on Abe Lincoln's statue and that won't matter, but the day Beck quits pulling in the money for old Rupert....he'll be out of a job.

ActMax believes it's dumb for our government to throw money at Bush's mess. Just like the Republicans in FDR's day, today's Republicans would rather the US close up. Which is what would have happened if Obama hadn't continued Bush's bailouts. None of us have ever seen chaos, I doubt a lot of us could survive with a broken government and the resulting lawlessness that would come with a bankrupt country.

After the financial collapse, what would you have a President and Congress do, ActMax? Send out sympathy cards, lower the flag to half mast, call for God's help and call it good? Government only has laws and money to make things right. If Obama could think of something new, I'm sure he'd try it...but the bottom line is there is great suffering thanks to Bush-Cheney greed and it will take us years to recover if we ever do.

Over the last 18 months line after line after line has been drawn from the Koch brothers and News Corp to the Republican Party and the Tea Party groups....who are one in the same. The only grassroots movement in America are the people sliding farther down the food chain ladder crying for help. Since Americans aren't very bright, many have been lured into the right wing net and now fight alongside the rich to actually make things worse for themselves.

It's no longer right vs left, it's extreme right vs the centrists. History has proved that standing in the middle during a crisis is a recipe for defeat. If FDR had followed Hoover's decision to turn his back and ignore the Depression, we'd be living in caves today. Doing nothing in an economic depression is suicide. In my opinion Obama is being too timid. He should have entered office with a scorched earth policy towards obstructionist Republicans.

If American voters are stupid enough to return to power the same party who FK'ed everything up, then I think we'll see a different Obama for the next 2 years. Why not.....if things keep going as they are, Obama will be a one term president anyway. It will be interesting, but it will be bloody. So if you've had plans for life returning to normal....put them on hold. We haven't seen ugly yet, we haven't begun to suffer yet. The real battle between the Haves and the Have Nots is just beginning. Peace in our time.......hardly!

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“If American voters are stupid enough…”

Haven’t you heard?
We’re number one!
The question is not if, the question is when the Night of Broken Glass returns, which side will you be on?


“It is difficult to associate these horrors with the proud civilizations that created them: Sparta, Rome, The Knights of Europe, the Samurai... They worshipped strength, because it is strength that makes all other values possible. Nothing survives without it. Who knows what delicate wonders have died out of the world, for want of the strength to survive?”
Bruce Lee, Enter the Dragon

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>>You only think the only solution to any problem, or any issue for that matter, is to throw more and more tax payer money at any and all problems, issues, whatever. Just spend more, come up with more government spending programs, yeah, that's the ticket. <<

Since you have 4 and half hours before you get off work you may want to spend 30 min catching up. Obviously what is causing this redneck-rising to take hold, if in fact it ever will, is deficits. By cutting taxes to their lowest levels since 1930 no American is or has advocated what you have written. Coming up with more spending was Bush-Cheney's trick while vastly expanding government spending via two wars with zilch funding, and two massive health care programs with NO funding.

Cheney realized back in '03 it would be a disaster which was his motivation for buying $10 million worth of gold stocks. His domestic economic policies combined with his scheme to invade Iraq were going to be disasterous on the American dollar.
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The problem with responding to the lunatic right, like Act, is that they are mules, they don't want to hear, too stupid to hear. Ever try to plow with a mule? A hard day's work. Columnists like Krugman and others have been responding for months. Krugman says you CAN spend your way out of debt, it's called priming the pump. The debt will be paid when the economy is rolling again. A new stimulus is needed, but it will never pass. Congress may as well go home, it's broken. Maybe what we need is Sarah Palin as president, Glenn Beck as vice president, prop Dick Cheney in a corner in some invisible but important job, and hell, where's G. Gordon Liddy, maybe secretary of state? Then, when government is completely broken, someone can begin again. Cynical, I know.

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TAP, thanks for pointing out the significant role that Arkansas native and world-renowned theologian James Cone played in establishing liberation theology. Your posting is also a reminder of the contextual nature of liberation theology, which makes reducing it to one ideology (e.g., Marxism) absurd. There's a whole range of liberation theologies, from Cone's black liberationism to Rosemary Radford Reuther and Mary Daly's feminist liberationism to the Latin American liberationism of Guttierrez, Sobrino, Boff, Segundo, and countless others.

Has "the liberation theme has been taken too far and misapplied," you ask--as the basis of discussion? Personally, I'm inclined to agree with what Jim Martin says in the article to which my posting above links: it's a valid and necessary reading of the Judaeo-Christian scriptures, which are profoundly rooted in the theme of liberation. They make that theme central from the Exodus and the Jubilee idea, through the prophets, to Jesus's announcement in the gospels that his own life and ministry ushered in a Jubilee period in which prisoners would be set free and the poor lifted from bondage.

I find the charge that liberation theology is simply Marxism masquerading as Jewish and Christian theology shallow and self-serving. It's self-serving because it emanates from powerful socioeconomic groups in the Western world intent on stopping this theology in its tracks in the developing nations. Because the spread of this theology and its reading of the scriptures make it less easy for those socioeconomic groups to exploit the poor of the developing nations (or marginalized minority groups in the developed nations).

Powerful, well-funded think tanks in the U.S. including groups like the Institute for Religion and Democracy constantly attack and try to undermine the liberationist movement in mainstream churches. The influence of these think tanks is considerable, and they have long had the ear of the media, which are quick to read liberation theology as Marxist, and of the Vatican, which condemned liberationist theology on those grounds in the papacy of John Paul II, with his fixation on the dangers of Marxism in Eastern Europe, but lack of recognition of how different the political situation of the developed nations is.

None of this has stopped theologians from thinking, though, or people in developing nations from reading the scriptures and applying the very real and valid theme of liberation to their own lives.

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What is there to do? For one thing, try the one thing that works, cut government spending in half, cut the bureaucracies that we don't need out all together, and return all that money to the people and businesses that actually do stuff for a living, manufacture things, create things, and prosperity would come back quicker than you could imagine.

But big libs like you will never let that happen. Because you only have one line of thinking and that is, ANY tax cut at all, is auto-magically a "tax cut for the rich" which is bad pub for all the spineless law makers, because people like you won't let them do it. You think that the only thing to do is for the big brother government to spend more money and dribble it out as one pet welfare project or another, which doesn't accomplish squat in the long run, and actually very very little even in the short run.

Its the American people and businesses that create wealth and prosperity, not government, but big libs don't have the brain power to ever compute that, I guess its too complicated of a subject matter that your tiny brains just can't comprehend.

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So far the crowd reports on "I Have A Scheme" Show have ranged from "VAST" in the ADG to "large" on the local TV report from Ft Baptist.

"An estimated 87,000 people attended a rally organized by talk-radio host and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which stretched from in front of the Lincoln Memorial along the Reflecting Pool to the Washington Monument. Beck and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at the rally.

Beck, who predicted that at least 100,000 people would show up, opened his comments with a joke: "I have just gotten word from the media that there is over 1,000 people here today."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-200…

87,000. Not even half of Woodstock attracted 31 years ago and this was supposed to be an "outpouring for God," a true "restoration moment" in our history.

Did anyone catch the "crowd report" on FAUX News?

I looked on the BECKONING website and found no report about how many answered the call to the Beckoning. However, I did find this admonishment to attendees:

Prohibited Items
DO NOT BRING ANY SORT OF WEAPON, INCLUDING A POCKET KNIFE

• Tents/canopies/structures
• Glass containers
• Alcoholic beverages
• Firearms (real or simulated)
• Ammunition
• Explosives or incendiary devices of any kind (including fireworks)
• Knives, blades, or sharp objects of any length
• No staking of grounds
• No digging or trenching
• No attachments to existing landscaping
• No firearms or explosive devices, no open fires

We request that you not bring the following:

• Signs political or otherwise
• Aerosols
• Laser pointers
• Mace and/or pepper spray
• Helium balloons
• Sticks or poles
• Pocket or hand tools, such as “leatherman”
• Packages, large bags, duffle bags, suitcases
• Animals other than service/guide dogs

No 2nd Amendment rights at Beckonings.

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"..a new CBS News poll finds that 29 percent of Americans say they are supporters of the movement.

Fifty-four percent say they do not support the Tea Party. The survey results are similar to last month's but show more support for the Tea Party than in April of this year.

/8300-503544_162-503544.html?keyword=Sarah+Palin&tag=contentMain;contentBody#ixzz0y7MQRR4u

Conservatives and those who identify themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement hold net positive opinions of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who has championed the movement. Forty-five percent of Republicans, 41 percent of conservatives and 49 percent of Tea Partiers hold favorable opinions of Palin.

However, Palin continues to receive unfavorable ratings from the American public overall. Just 23 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Palin, while 40 percent view her unfavorably. "

She's getting about the same unfavorables as BHO.

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William D. Lindsey -- thanks. I always find your posts informative and this is no exception. I look forward to reviewing your link later this evening so that I can become more educated about liberation theology in various contexts. One thing we know for sure: any attempt to sum it up in a sentence, especially by those who criticize the concept, is misleading.

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>>Its the American people and businesses that create wealth and prosperity, not government, but big libs don't have the brain power to ever compute that..<<

Yesterday I read a soft story in The Moron News about a woman who developed
"Village on the Creeks" in Rogers. She and her now divorced hubby began in 1966 building a home or two here and there. Then some more expensive homes for Vendorville immigrants, many of who are Muslim and require gated communities.

It gave a long time line of the developments surrounding the couples' success, their developments. No where in the time line was there mention of I-540 the government funded (thanks to Clinton), government run highway that runs right through the center of Rogers and around which all the massive expansion of commercial and residential development took place.

But how could that be? Government, if one believes bonehead, produces nothing.

Yet, take away Beaver Lake, the largest gub-mint funded and gub-run project in NWA, and where would we be? Small orchard towns, a few chicken houses just like it was in 1964.

Take away the massive federal and state funded and run UoA and watch the area collapse.

However, we in ignorant and godly Chickenopolis will celebrate the day when our gub-mint owned and run water system, which supplies a huge poultry industry, will be sold to private investors so they can triple or quadruple monthly fees, pay the CEO a million dollar a year bonus......AND

Then we will be FREE!

Village on the Creeks was the first major Bush/Cheney-Bubble bankruptcy in Roger to the tune of $32 Million.

I'm expecting the Good ol Boz at the local CoC won't take kindly to ACTStupid's remarks about gub-mint getting out of stuff. It takes this small town to give $200K per year to get that paragon of capitalism kick started each year.
What has this paragon of capitalism done for us?

It sponsored a baseball park, and a TAX INCREASE to pay for a proffessional baseball park...that's right, 101% Cheneyville, Ark voted for a tax increase (it passed by 13 votes) to fund a professional baseball stadium to be owned by gub-mint, that entity which never makes anything happen.

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Few things can prolong or increase the amount of finacial turmoil the way a central govt can. Those that look to FDR as a paragon of dealing with finacial breakdown forget some key things, those niggling little facts.

FDR's programs PROLONGED and worsened the scope of the Depression. IN hostorical terms, there was no previous Depression that lasted so long, or covered as many people in its misery, and that was FDR subsidized.

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TAP, you're welcome. I look forward to talking further if you'd like to continue doing so. I will admit, though, this topic is an obsession (since I have studied it for years), and so I tend to be long-winded. One of the privileges of my academic years was getting a fellowship to spend a semester reading Martin Luther King, Jr. and comparing his work to liberation theologians' writings.

I completely agree with you: anyone who thinks they can sum the topic up with a one-liner or Mr. Beck's dismissive reference to Marxism obviously knows nothing about the subject. I seriously doubt Mr. Beck has ever even tried to read James Cone. Or Gustavo Guttierrez. Or any of the innumerable other liberation theologians out there.

Easier just to get his script from the Kochs and Murdoch and memorize his lines.

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Anytime someone discusses reducing government spending and government in general, and giving that money back to the private sector, Elweed and his bed wetting big lib elk always come out with stuff like, yeah well where would be without a police department, and highways and yada yada yada, when NO one has ever advocated getting rid of basic government services. But that is all they can do.

We're talking about getting rid of WASTEFUL government spending, not the police, highway and fire departments you id-git.

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Actually ACT, you get what you are paying for and if we want strong defense and good roads then we have to pay taxes. Actually, they should cut the Defense budget by 10% this year over last year, not allow for inflation, and then cut it another 5% every other year until it is half of what we are spending now. We are buying planes we don't need and engines we don't need because some Congress person has the plant in their district. The latest, a laser weapon that hasn't worked in 5 tries (0 in 5 success rate)so we are doubling the money on this stupid Reagan star wars effort. We build a fighter that costs over $300 million A PIECE. To fight wars against little guys who dig holes in the dirt and hide bombs made out of gunpowder dumped from missles that we have forgotten where we stored.Pure foolishness!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder the US alone spends more than teh rest of teh world combines, including China on Defense with $300 million fighters and a stealth plane that only works in dry weather. If Bush had a brain, and had added an income tax surcharge to pay for HIS wars, then we would have had everyone home by now. His Republican banker bosses would have insisted on it.

There isn't a good fairy that makes things magically appear. The Interstate system is older than you, and like you, is falling apart and it is obvious when large sections of bridges suddenly decide to go for a swim with cars on them. Maybe, even cars driven by conservatives (those probably have a driver in the front). Those jobs to rebuild the Interstate system can't be exported by Walmart or some other company to China by some accountant trying to make a bonus for himself and his bosses.

You continue to talk about wasteful spending? Nice phrase. Just where is it? We have Republicans running around trying to cut business taxes to zero and people taxes down so low that government can't run and then expect services and yet there were comments this very morning about using government to make the contacts to improve exports. Why don't the companies do that themselves?

WASTEFUL is what others use government for. What I need is essential to the smooth working of the economy.

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>>We're talking about getting rid of WASTEFUL government spending,...<<

Oh then for sure we need to keep a taxpayer funded baseball stadium.

I'm sure that Monkey Boy would agree since he began his ascendancy to the Texas
governor's office by cashing in on a TAXPAYER FUNDED baseball stadium which was miraculously converted to private ownership after all the debts were paid.

And notice that our resident Moron made no such distinction about what government spending should be cut...it said "all" not a selected list.
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After Act loses an argument notice how quick it is to call names...the last refuge of a sure loser.

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eLwood is the answer. What is a hypocrite? is the question. You didn't win that argument either, eL, reducing yourself to the level of debate you accuse Act of behaving.

Our founders made several references to how much scope the govt should have. You might notice that one said, govt, like fire, can be a good servant or a dreaded master.

Things like the military are part and parcel, roads, yes, SOME fed police, yes. OSHOA? Nope, minimum wage, not even n the purview. Those that think govts can, and should 'fix' economies should recall all the times when govts did try and fix economies. FDR took a recovering economy and sunk it into a quagmire for 11 long years. Only a strong, central all powerful govt can shut down an economy for that long, and that completely. Bush's main failure with the real estate meltdown was the bailout.

Which I find hilarious with all the nabobs shrilling about big bizness, and all the corporate raiders, and when the little guy had a chance to watch the corporate giants fall into pieces and be divvied up amongst the smaller fish, the hue and cry is to save the corporate giants. How is that for psychotic? Whining about the big money, and yet those same kernoddlers want to SAVE big bizness.

Some of you guys are a real scream.

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William,

I've now read your link, and learned something about liberation theology in one context. Seems clear to me (1) there are too many manifestations to lump all the theologies in a group; and (2) some have nothing to do with distribution of wealth -- they are concerned with power, and some "say-so" regarding one's treatment by a controlling entity.

Dr. Cone said that if he could suggest one book to George W. Bush, it would be the work by the great Christian theologian Reinhold Niebuhr: "The Irony of American History." (I haven't read it, but I am now fascinated and will do so.) I suspect Niebuhr influenced Dr. Jeremiah Wright. Cone told Bill Moyer:

"The core of [Niebuhr's book} is, is helping America get over its innocence. Helping America to see itself through the eyes of people from the bottom. And you see, America likes to think of itself as innocent. And we are not. No human being is innocent. And so, I-- that would be the book I would recommend him to read."

Traditional uplift the downtrodden, set the captive free stuff. As far removed from Marxism as this:

BILL MOYERS: I would have a hard time believing God is love if I were a black man. I mean, those bodies swinging on the tree. What was God? Where was God during the 400 years of slavery?

JAMES CONE: See, you are looking at it from the perspective of those who win. You have to see it from the - perspective of those who have no power. In fact, God is love because it's that power in your life that lets you know you can resist the definitions that other people are being-- placing on you. And you sort of say, sure, nobody knows the trouble I've seen. Nobody knows my sorrow. Sure, there is slavery. Sure, there is lynching, segregation.

But, glory, hallelujah. Now, that glory hallelujah is the fact that there is a humanity and a spirit that nobody can kill. And as long as you know that, you will resist. That was the power of the civil rights movement. That was the power of those who kept marching even though the odds are against you. How do you keep going when you don't have the battle tanks, when you don't have the guns? When you don't have the military power? When you have nothing? How do you keep going? How do you know that you are a human being? You know because there's a power that transcends all of that."

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But it all sounds like a bunch of liberal heresy to me. A secret plan to dishonor a capitalist God by redistribution of wealth in Marxist ways. Liberation theology. Hmph. Next thing you know they will be claiming that God -- not the great Mr. Abraham Lincoln -- freed the slaves.

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