Monday, September 27, 2010

Pushing for stricter gun laws

Posted by Max Brantley on Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:53 AM

A group of mayors led by New York's Michael Bloomberg hasn't given up the fight on pushing for tougher gun laws aimed at curbing the trafficking of weapons that wind up in the hands of criminals.


A study due to be released this week by a coalition called Mayors Against Illegal Guns uses previously unavailable federal gun data to identify what it says are the states that most often export guns used in crimes across state lines. It concludes that the 10 worst offenders per capita, led by Mississippi, West Virginia and Kentucky, supplied nearly half the 43,000 guns traced to crime scenes in other states last year.

The study also seeks to draw a link between gun trafficking and gun control laws by analyzing gun restrictions in all 50 states in areas like background checks for gun purchases, policies on concealed weapons permits and state inspections of gun dealers. It finds that, across the board, those states with less restrictive gun laws exported guns used in crimes at significantly higher rates than states with more stringent laws.

Arkansas is not among the 10 worst states, by the way. But in the report appendix listing the areas in which states have taken regulatory steps, such as allowing state inspections of gun dealers, Arkansas draws a blank in 10 categories, except that it will allow local law enforcement officials discretion to deny concealed carry permits. (How did the gun nuts let that happen?)

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Careful there, pardner. Someone might just draw down on you at church if you keep promoting gun control.

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Posted by louie on 09/27/2010 at 7:03 AM

If I was a minister who tended to be long-winded, I would worry about concealed carry in church, besides all of those southern long term family feuds.Besides, I need my semi-automatic pistol to deer hunt. Now if we could give deer and bears guns and even out the playing field.

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Posted by couldn't be better on 09/27/2010 at 7:20 AM

You can bet the Congressional butt boys of the gun lobby, like our own Ross, Pryor, Lincoln, Berry & Boozer, will be furiously digging to see if federal funds were used for that study. Just like they forbade the Institute of Health from conducting studies on the effects of gun violence.

There is no non-tragic end to the insanity road this country has embarked upon.

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Posted by 70%er on 09/27/2010 at 7:33 AM

America's rush to arm the nuts and dredges of society! Driven by more corporate greed where profits are more important than human life.

Speaking of church can anyone figure how to run a survey which perennial lecture puts more people to sleep than all others (blessing that most are the packing). No wonder old biblical stories survive most everyone that counts is asleep.

Now for the Georgia Reverend anyone who thinks he's innocent stop laughing.

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Posted by ButWhoCares on 09/27/2010 at 7:44 AM

Scientist are always coming up with ancient fossils that validate Darwin! I wouldn't be surprised if some obscure biblical books aren't found in the near future.

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Posted by ButWhoCares on 09/27/2010 at 7:50 AM

Guns are used to commit crime? I don't believe that for one minute. The NRA has proven logically that if 100% of Americans carried guns at all times, crime would be zero.

If churches are so gung-ho about gun ownership, instead of feeding the homeless they ought to arm them. An army of homeless people with assault rifles would quite probably change society for the better. The last shall be first, and all that.

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Posted by ChildeRolandReturneth on 09/27/2010 at 8:51 AM

"supplied nearly half the 43,000 guns traced to crime scenes in other states last year."

Considering there are probably a hundred million guns in our country that number seems to be very low. Impressive.

Traced to crime scenes - is not necessarily part of the crime. Seems to me that is a distinction worth sorting out. How many of these folks had a joint in their car or on their coffee table and a gun in the trunk or bedroom closet, with no intent to use the gun at all? I can easily imagine these figures are exaggerated.

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Posted by Eureka Springs on 09/27/2010 at 9:41 AM

Yes we need more laws to keep "illegal" firearms out of the hands of "criminals." Hmmmmm last I checked it WAS ALREADY ILLEGAL!!!! For a felon to have a gun, or otherwise obtain a gun without going through the registration process etc.

But yet we need MORE laws apparently. Love how big libs just can't understand this. But of course they do. They just want it to be illegal for anyone to own a firearm. That is what this is. It is already illegal for criminals to have them. But of course big libs have to hide behind "protecting people" when they argue for eliminating the 2nd amendment by other means.

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Posted by ActMax on 09/27/2010 at 9:55 AM

If criminals can't buy guns, why do so many have them? If you have money, you can buy a gun. There are plenty of freedom-loving gun owners happy to do it. I bet I could buy 100 guns this week in Arkansas without any ID.

When you sell a felon a gun, you stick it to liberals. Take that, Obama.

The NRA needs gun crime like Christians need original sin. Without it, there's no reason for their existence.

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Posted by ChildeRolandReturneth on 09/27/2010 at 11:08 AM

Poor Roland, no reason for him. One of the big delusions that these scaberous mayors ignore is the fact that the states neighboring states with the freer gun laws also have the fewer crimes. That is why the problems go over state lines to the places with the more stringent assaults on an individual's right to defend themselves.

I lived in an state with harsh assualts on my ability to defend myself and family. I moved to Nevada and found it safer and more heavily armed. Fewer crimes in the nature so prevelant in Kali. And we could own machine guns, too.

The anti gunner will never, in the face of decades of overwhelming evidence, that the more they infringe on an individual's right to defend themselves, the worse the crime becomes.

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Posted by steven estrada on 09/27/2010 at 11:48 AM

Steven --

For some reason, bloggers here often give you a free pass. I'm not sure why. If you are going to continue posting "facts" such as: "...that the states neighboring states with the freer gun laws also have the fewer crimes," could you at least (please?!) provide us with your source?

Thanks!

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Posted by NWAgardener on 09/27/2010 at 12:02 PM

Its all part of big libs idealistic dream world they live in. They just think if you pass more laws, or just throw more money at a problem (ie government stimulus programs) that it solves the problem. They always think that MORE government, not less is the answer. Wonder why since the problems never get fixed, you would think that would clue them into maybe that isn't the correct approach. But they never do. Big libs love big government, its kind of like their religion.

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Posted by ActMax on 09/27/2010 at 12:46 PM

Do any of you bloggers ever stop and realize whose laughing all the way to the bank -- the NRA of course.

It's like tax breaks for the rich -- the little guy always pays.

Does anyone know how many funerals the NRA has paid for after their guns were use to kill?

Individual freedom my A---! Corporate profits!

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Posted by ButWhoCares on 09/27/2010 at 2:42 PM

Just to pick two states with wildly varying views on gun control, according to the 2010 statistical abstract from the census bureau, Massachusetts had a murder rate of 2.9 per 100,000 people, compared to Arkansas' 6.7 per 100,000.

Canada is a superb example of a country where gun ownership is valued, hunting is a way of life, and the gun death rate is a fraction of ours. There, concealed weapons are illegal. Here, if the NRA has its way, they'll soon be mandatory.

One society is pragmatic. The other is delusional.

Even the cowboys had to turn in their guns when they entered Dodge City. Back in those days of limited government, we used it to improve society rather than outsourcing our morals to semi-corporations like the NRA.

I mean, if there's a gun nut who hasn't been programmed to mindlessly repeat what they're told by Fox, I haven't met them yet. Gun fanaticism is simply another example of the intellectual bankruptcy, false logic and hate of modern conservatism.

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Posted by ChildeRolandReturneth on 09/27/2010 at 3:06 PM

Anybody bother doing the math? I didn't think so! Here is the real truth!!

Revelation:
140,319,000=Population of those 10 states listed (2006)
296,398,000=Total population
The 10 states=47.29% of population

Gee, I wonder why these 10 states that make up 47.29% of the US population produce half of all guns used in a crime? Just shows how the Anti gun groups twist the facts to make it look like things are worse than they are FROM ARK. BLOG: Where'd you dream up these numbers? Report says with 2006 population in parenthesis from me: " When controlling for population, Mississippi (2.9 million), West Virginia (1.8 million), Kentucky (4.2 million), Alaska (.6), Alabama (4.6), South Carolina (4.3), Virginia (7.6), Indiana (6.3), Nevada (2.5), and Georgia (9.3) export crime guns at the highest rates. These states export crime guns at more than seven times the rate of the ten states with the lowest crime gun export rates." So these 10 states account for about 44.1 million of the population, or roughly 15 percent of the 299 million counted in 2006.

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Posted by mpohio on 09/27/2010 at 4:13 PM

Nothing brings out the crazies like the guns.

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Posted by NWAgardener on 09/27/2010 at 5:40 PM

Your a funny critter, NWAgardner. Talk of crazies, yet you haven't cited any rebuttals. Like most, the facts are low. When the Brady Bunch was screaming about how Florida would become the Gunshine state when they made CCWs readily available they became silenced by the fact tat home invasions, rapes and assaults went DOWN, and there was no crazy increase kin crime. Rather, there was a decline.

Also, when all the gun buying was going crazy a couple years back, where was the increase in crime? Most recent FBI crime stats showed crime was DOWN.

Thing is, I like folks like Sista and Tap and a couple others. I don't want them disarmed by a bunch of folks who only have emotional appeal on their side. They want to disarm folks in the mistaken notion that they will be safer, that the police will protect them. Problem is, when you have a disarmed populace, like Los Angeles during the riots, cops cannot and will not protect you. I knew people, unarmed people, who got half beat to death. People like me and some of my friends who had arms, carried them everywhere. None of us were going to be Reginald Denny, dragged and beaten. But that is exactly what the anti gun folks want.

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Posted by steven estrada on 09/27/2010 at 8:22 PM

Some uninformed people seem to think that violence was invented with gunpowder.......
Ancient and Medieval times were not exactly peaceful. There was no need to debate the meaning of any "Bill of Rights" or even a "Constitution" nor any worry about who to vote for........ Speaking out against your rulers could easily cause early death....... And if your own rulers were not bad enough, there was often the dangers of invasion. Attilla the Hun didn't need a gun..... "From the arrows of the Huns may God deliver us" was a late Roman prayer....... Many early weapons laws were designed to disarm the common people against their rulers. Those who live by violence, whether through banditry or official oppression, always prefer unarmed victims........

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Posted by roy on 09/27/2010 at 8:54 PM

As usual Senor Estrada, you avoided answering NWAgardner's question again, while misspelling your characterization of the poster as a "funny critter."

Not all of us give him a pass NWAgardener.

I ran across a collection of 2007 bumper stickers today while cleaning out so old files.

"Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking." Could just as well be written as "Vote with the NRA, it's easier than thinking."


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Posted by dottholliday on 09/27/2010 at 11:16 PM

This report has already been refuted as Nazi propaganda.
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-char…

Don't let facts get in the way, Mayor Bloomingidiot.

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