
No UA football today and it was a lovely morning, a good time for several hundred to get their protest on. Occupy Little Rock formed up to march from the River Market to the Capitol starting about 9 a.m. today.
Says the group's Facebook page:
We must forget the left and right issues. This is an American issue. It rings across party lines. We are not asking for anyone to give up their wealth. We are trying to point out that with wealth comes responsibility.
UPDATE: I dropped by. Perhaps several hundred were on hand, wiith others trickling in. Handmade signs predominated. The corporate oligarchy came in for a lot of attention.
New York Times article today makes the bankers sound a little nervous about the noise on Wall Street and around the country, even as some dismiss the protestors as a bunch of dead-end effen hippies.
The messages coming from the protesters are by no means in accord. They have myriad grievances, though many see Wall Street as the most powerful symbol of the income inequality and “economic injustice” they are railing against. There is ample indignation over banks being bailed out while their customers are being foreclosed upon, and over banks handing out hefty bonus checks and severance packages so soon after the crisis erupted.Similarly, executives keep getting generous payouts when they leave. Just last week, Bank of America disclosed it was paying a total of $11 million in severance to two executives forced out in a management reshuffle, Sallie Krawcheck and Joe Price, even as the company said it would begin laying off roughly 30,000 employees over the next few years.
“Wall Street continues to underestimate the degree of anger among citizens and voters,” said Douglas J. Elliott, a former investment banker who is now a fellow at the Brookings Institution.
UPDATE: Find a slideshow of more photos on the jump.
A marcher sent along a phone photo of his favorite sign:

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Indeed, neither Tea Partiers nor OWS approve of TARP, and many in both camps care little for the Federal Reserve and its policies.
I have read of more than one OWS protestor expressing outrage over the public option in health care being tossed under the bus, along with expressing outrage concerning the pervasiveness of money in the election process.
An example of this, is that President Obama has taken more money from Wall Street than any politician in the past 20 years:
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-wall-street-dough-044804642.html
This has to stop - on both sides.
Correction: The march starts at ten. There's an organizational meeting at nine. If you just want to march, I'd show up around 9:45.
"They have myriad grievances, though many see Wall Street as the most powerful symbol of the income inequality and 'economic injustice' they are railing against."
I think what will emerge as the core "demand" is a constitutional amendment to make it clear that corporate entities do not have the rights of citizens who are the people for whom governments are instituted among men and from whom the just powers of governments must be derived.
Supreme Court decisions starting with Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad in 1886 and culminating recently in Citizens United vs. the Federal Election Commission are at the root of the ability of corporations to make the governments that created them subservient to them. It is that legal sophistry which is the basis for all of the exploitive abuses behind all varieties of OWS-type anger.
Occupy Fayetteville also marching at 10 from the square.
I think what motivates the protest is the fight against the Plutocracy.
I miss protesting. I did my share in the '70s. They were a great place to meet women. I think we were protesting the war, or maybe it was the establishment. Or maybe it was the establishment of war. Whichever, protesting was a great way to hook up. I hope this new wave of protestors enjoy it as much as I did. You gotta love the First Amendment. What a great country!
Something else well said:
http://i.imgur.com/kamRX.jpg
I don't know what the definition of "hippies" is these days, but the pictures of attractive people marching that Max posted sure don't look like the hippies I knew back in the day.
Maybe Wall Street's definition of "hippies" is the 99% of people who are not them?
HolyGuano.....I did my share of protesting one summer at the U of A also. Civil rights and the Viet Nam War were my causes. Who would have thought these many years later, civil rights (although another type now) and war would still be issues? And while I never hooked up during the process, I did meet some very cool people and learned the importance of the masses coming together!
It is refreshing to see these young people understand "we, the people" have power to right a wrong.
The word "hippy" is used because it triggers a reflexive negative reaction in those who are holding the power. It isn't a description as much as propaganda, a label used to create a common enemy for those in authority.
Shouting down OWS as hippies is no different than shouting down black people as N****** at Central High. The idea is to trigger an emotional, hate-filled alliance against the people who are daring to change the way things are.
I believe it is the NYC OWS protesters who look like rich hippies. The Arkansas group looks like they have not heard about Mrs. Obama's initiative to eat healthy. Obviously none of the protesters have been denied food, or will starve in the next week or two.
"I think what will emerge as the core "demand" is a constitutional amendment to make it clear that corporate entities do not have the rights of citizens who are the people for whom governments are instituted among men and from whom the just powers of governments must be derived. "
Say a group of citizens get together to produce a political documentary on the evils of Rick Perry and they want to distribute it just before the Republican primary.
Should this be allowed?
Was there no corporate influence in government prior to Citizens United? If you need a reminder, that court case was decided in 2010, the big bailouts started in 2008 and the roots of the latest boom and bust go back to the 90s and even the 80s.
OWS is right to be angry, but most of the solutions they seem to be offering range from useless (constitutional amendment overturning Citizens United) to counterproductive (more regulation).
As long as there is a government willing and able to give away trillions of dollars and to do what corporations cannot do on their own, there will be significant corporate influence in government.
The Arkandaughter and I just got back from the Occupation. We took out a little early because her legs got tired.
It was one of the very best of all the many demonstrations I've ever attended. What it most reminded me of was the descriptions of the early anti-Vietnam War marches. It took me a long time to find any of the 'usual suspects'. I don't have a simple description of those who were there. It was a very mixed crowd, united only by being pissed off at business as usual.
I'd be willing to bet money it was the first time the vast majority of those folks had ever been to any sort of protest. I don't think they realized exactly how radical their desire to be treated as human beings is. I think that'll come with time, and this movement--which is what it is--has the legs to give them that time.
This was really great.
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Very revealing to notice the difference between Ark Times' photo of the demonstrators and what is found in DOG- a faceless crowd, nothing revealed on the signs, shot from a rear position.
Good work Brian. Shame on you ADG.
No, there are plenty of OWS people who can afford food and houses and cars and all the trappings of modern life. If you think it is about that, you are missing the point.
We the 99% -- which basically includes anyone making up to $350K a year, I believe -- are simply tired of the 1% using their almost unimaginable wealth and power to run society for their own benefit.
In other words, everyone but the king -- the peasants and the merchants and the stablekeepers and the apprentices and the masters and the knights and the pawns -- is opening their eyes to how we're abused by the king.
And they don't want to hear how they could all be kings if they simply worked harder and saved their money.
I attended. I was thinking about 300-400 in attendence.
THANKS to the Little Rock Police for being there. They were friendly, polite, and did their jobs. After some of the postings on the Times Blog, police made many of us feel much safer during the protest. Thanks LRPD!
I was there too, and I agree---the LRPD was great! Everyone was very respectful, very engaged, and just sick of the system that puts the financial interests of the few above the wellbeing of the many. Hopefully the movement will keep growing and will help bring attention to these issues.
"And they don't want to hear how they could all be kings if they simply worked harder and saved their money."
AMEN!
Really, in the end all people want is a even playing field, but now more then ever it seems everything is tilted to benefit the top tier. Just like getting a fine for drunk driving means nothing to a Walton, but could send my family into a financial downward spiral.
I guess we are actually part of the so called 53% because we do not get all the fed taxes we pay in refunded at the end of the year. Not enough kids and not a big enough mortgage. (Actually we might be getting screwed for being frugal both in our house buying habits and procreation.)
Whatever.
Here is my favorite of the "we are the 99%" posts from Tumbler.
"I am a software engineer. When I started working in 1985 I had nothing but $10,000 in student loan debt and a used Toyota Tercel my mother gave me as a college-graduation gift.
I have gotten lucky and made money on stock at two start-ups; when George W. Bush took office, my net worth exceeded $10 million. That had shrunk to about $4 million when he left, roughly where it stands today.
I own two homes. I drive a Porsche 911. My family has excellent health insurance. I have given each of my three children enough money to get through college debt-free. My wife (of 25 years) has never had to work.
I own 4 two-bedroom apartments and 4 three-bedroom townhouses that I rent out. I have a mortgage on one of my homes for the tax deduction, the other properties I own free-and-clear. I have no debt beyond the one mortgage.
I still work as an engineer, earning $140,000 per year.
All told, in 2010 I made $200,621 in salary, interest, dividends, and rent.
My federal income tax on this money was $2,196.
Strangely, even with all this, I am the 99%. To qualify for the 1% I would need to have made 70% more than I did. I’m not even close."
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/post/11463923345/i-am-a-software-engineer-when-i-started-working
It is interesting that those memnbers of the Lucky Sperm Club born with a silver spoon in their mouths feel that they did anything themselves to get their status. They just as easily might have been the child of a single coke mother living on the street. But I guess the latter, if they work hard enough, could have $5 million by the time they are 18.
Most of them got where they were the way that the younger hotel Hilton did. He said he was just walking through the hotel lobby when his father asked him if he wanted to be president of the chain. Lighning strikes! I bet it could have been any of us. Not!
I was there and a participant, and I agree with spunkrat and lrlady about the good work and professionalism of the Little Rock police. I noticed a lot of marchers thanking officers at intersections on the way back to the amphitheater. I thank them, too.
I was also in attendance and really felt good about the LRPD presence. I did verbally thank some for being present and professional.
It is good that outside the big city areas where the dirtbags started, the believers in smaller towns have been behaving with respect for the laws they seek to embrace. Little Rock, AR and Waterloo, IA, the OWS crowd is a far better example than the vermin in New York. Now, since the vitriol of the NY OWS has gone over the Atlantic, you have riots and looting.
Great, that will convince more to their cause. Maybe not. After facing eviction, the NY crowd finally cleaned up their mess. I think AmmosSt from this site says it perfectly about why the OWS will not flourish much longer.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php…
Post 114.
Reminds me very much of the L.A. riots. It wasn't about justice for doper shitbag, beaten by armed uniformed shitbags. It stated as an angry group wanting justice, and quickly turned to several nights of murder and mayhem just for the sake of thievery. It started as a demand for justice, and went straight to a display of envy. Burning for the sake of burning, stealing from your neighbors because they had and you didn't. The propensity for violence from OWS is always simmering, and not for points of justice, but for the desire to purge the blasphemers from their midst. DBI, with action,and their hopes and plans for little concentration camps to re-educate the wealthy into becoming paupers then corpses.
Line from AmmoSgt about why this will fail, "Here is a tip for choosing a cause to join.. When the agenda first starts out by vilifying and wanting to take away rights and opportunity from any group, and starts calling themselves the 99%,( or anything like that, the pure bloods, the one true faith, etc) and threatening the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, or equal rights, or property of the 1% ( or the mongrel race, or the heritics), and wants a system based on equal or near equal distribution of wealth, instead of on individual merit .. you are on the wrong side."
Fayetteville had a good crowd. Best in a long time.
One of Occupy Wall Street's vermin in the streets of NYC, H/T to eL. Suck on
that Steven!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphot…
I, too, am disgusted at the dirtbags who started all this. That's why I was demonstrating against them today.
Huntsville, AL---200 to 300
Tulsa---500
here's a picture of the real vermin in NYC:
http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.…
Worldwide map with planned demonstrations.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/15/1…
Al Jazerra has a good run down of world wide events. It's unfortunate that their headline highlighted the actions of a small group in Rome that broke from the major body of the crowd there.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pac…
Nice pic, there Outlier. Did you read the link I posted? I looked at your nice little picture.
nice attempt to gloss over the main problem with OWS. Thing is, the cleanup at the park did not begin till after they were almost tossed off. Another little factoid, and it ties in with that sweet little picture you posted. If that old man, that veteran ever strays in his support for them, those kids will take his walker and push him back out in the street.
More of Steven E's NYC vermin:
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&clie…
As for this movement "failing", I think it's already succeeded beyond anyone's hopes. It's catalyzed widespread suffering into action. What happens next is just lagniappe.
Yeah, I looked at it Steven E. The following comment also caught my eye.
"I think we would all be happier if we accepted that we are born to a class and should stay there, and we should learn to take pride in our work, like the milkman I spoke of. If the working class can't take pride in their work and be happy with their station then we will continue to have unhappy people with no money, who hate the jobs they have, and can't keep a job. "
Priceless!
I believe the city of Los Angeles has provided the occupiers with porta-potties, unlike New York.
outlier, what you quote from Steven E's link reminds me. There's a comic book I really loved, Neat Stuff, and on the back cover of the first issue, a two-panel cartoon. In the first panel, a character, Girly-Girl says, "I'm so happy..." In the second panel she finishes with, "because I'm so stupid."
Another round of lobotomies for all my friends!
lol, John. You know what is funny and not in a "ha ha" kind of way? The commenters at that survivalist or guns & ammo or whatever kind of link it was all think they are safe. The keepers of the status quo (the 1%ers) that they are just hell bent on supporting would squash them all like bugs if it suited their purposes. I have an idea when all the regulars sign on here later, most of them are going to give Steven's ears a good boxing!
It's called class warfare - and it's been going on for as long as I can remember - only it's finally being publicly acknowledged by the commoners as they have now found their voices. The Corporate types have been waging war on the poor and middle class for so long with so much vigor that we now have a nation run by a bunch of Whores who exhibit absolutely no consideration or other useful support of the poor and working class types. They have long since been purchased by the Corporate Wolves and arrive in Washington to do the bidding of these Wolves. Then these Whores return back to their district only to pander to the people who elect them. Spewing forth their bullshit in such a manner that would make a used car salesman blush with shame. The Whores successfully suck the voters off enough that the voters will pull the lever thus sending the Whores back to Washington where they take back up the bidding for the Wolves. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the voters continue to get screwed just as they did before.
As long as the Whores can successfully get the voters to 'agree' with them by telling the voters what they want to hear, the Wolves can still enjoy success. Now that the SCOTUS has ruled that the Corporate Wolves have a 'voice' in the process (please refer to the Citizen's United ruling) where their 'speech' is now protected just like an individuals is under the 1st Amendment - we the People are now officially fucked. The only thing we can do now is bend over and take it up the ass repeatedly, as much and as hard as the Corporate Wolves want.
"The only thing we can do now is bend over and take it up the ass repeatedly, as much and as hard as the Corporate Wolves want."
As long as there are nearly four trillion dollars to be handed out to those with the most pull and influence in Washington there will be corporate influence in government.
As long as government is willing to use force to interfere in the affairs of individuals and businesses there will be corporate influence in government.
Incentives matter.
Don't want corporate influence in government? Shrink government until there is no reason to influence it.
Here's an excerpt of a post I wrote for another thread. I wanted to repost a part of it:
"What IS interesting to me is whether or not the liberal and progressive machine has awakened. If so, and if it continues, we're gonna see some hell raising. This hell raising won't compare to the 60's protests. In the 60's it was an unjust war. This time, it's about food. Literally that's what this is about. Food.
It really doesn't matter, conservative friends, how these people got where they are. Whether through poor planning or financial mismanagement. The point is, they are there and they are poor and unemployed and they worry about putting food on the table and keeping the electricity on. You conservatives can "harumph" and "hoot" and "dirty hippie" and "lazy people" all you want. But many of those marching are in some cases months--in other cases days--away from not having enough for their kids. And even if that's NOT the case, all the protesters have to do is believe it.
And apparently they believe it. And if the marches continue and the movement continues, you'll have hell and so will the whole country. It's time to address their concerns, or they'll come for you, root and branch."
The New York Occupiers have taken over Times Square and the NYC Counter-Terrorism squad is on the scene.
Live streaming here. Chants of "peaceful, peaceful" earlier at Times Square. I think they are headed to Washington Square now. Tourists passing by earlier in double decker buses were cheering protesters and some joined the march. Now I am wondering if the Naked Cowboy of Times Square lost his spot today. Leaders are telling the protesters to march the direction the cops tell them.
http://www.truth-out.org/occupy-wall-stree…
More of Steven E's vermin here
http://therumpus.net/2011/10/occupy-des-mo…
I saw a picture of 2 little old ladies in wheel chairs at the Occupy Phoenix with signs about corporations aren't people. Now I can't find it. They didn't seem too verminish to me.
anymouse, this is not about you or even what might be possible for anyone else. It's about the injustice of legalized fraud perpetrated on all citizens. Allowing a legal way for investment houses, banks, and insurance companies to hire computer programmers to write a program that bundles the riskiest mortgages which they tell investors this junk is AAA rated by S & P or another rating agency and then bet against this stellar investment and make money hand over fist on both ends. There was a consequence for this type action and all of us are feeling it. The folks who brought this about blithely keep making those big deposits in their bank accounts.
Steven E, I feel very sorry for you. Not much you write seems of any consequence and your opinions will have a hard time finding any valid, factual supporting information. I'm sure if there was any you would have provided it. So, you have met the enemy and it's the your reflection in the mirror. Now, if the real person would develop the skill of serious reflection, I'm sure your writing would improve markedly.
Conservatives can pooh-pooh OWS all they like; but the bottom line is, they, the 1% and the authorities are walking a razor's edge here. I can foresee that those who own our government are going to at some point tire of hippie street theater and send in their paid goon squads to abrogate the peoples' right to peaceably assemble. And then, Katie bar the door. The protestors don't really NEED an agenda; just for them to show up is witness to the basic thing that's got them all upset on one level or another, and that's the lack of consent of the governed. No one ever consented to being ruled by Goldman Sachs and Bank of America...and yet, here we are. How hard is that to understand?
I can see this thing heading to this point: give us meaningful reform, NOW, or we're going to go on a debt strike. Imagine 20 or 30 million people all sitting down one week and penning letters to their creditors - Bank of America, Chase, Citibank, Wells Fargo, etc. - saying "I'm not going to pay you back." How long would those institutions survive? One month? Two? Certainly not long enough to go after many of the people who are refusing to pay them back. The infrastructure to process mass default doesn't exist - there aren't enough collection agencies, credit rating agencies, courts, repo men - to recoup debts quickly enough that any of these entities would be able to remain in business. Then what are they gonna do - build thousands of debtors' prisons to lock everyone up? Not going to happen.
We talk about debt as being a misery for so many, but the bottom line is...we can refuse to pay it back. It's just that we've been trained that it's shameful not to repay your debts. Well, it's also shameful to operate a business dishonestly - like all those listed above did. And there's this thing about how if one party to a contract violates the terms, then they cannot expect to hold the other party to it to those terms. This is where we are.
There's an old saying about how if you owe a bank $1,000, you've got a problem, but if you owe a bank a million dollars, the bank has a problem. Collectively, we all owe the banks - really, the 1% - hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars. And they don't really have a way of MAKING us pay it back. The nervousness you can feel coming from those quarters? This is what it comes from. The peasants are revolting, and the oligarchs are still clinging to the hope that the people won't wake up to the notion that it is they - the people - who are "too big to fail." The 1% is running out of time before that notion takes root, widespread. They need to act quickly, because if it does, we already know how this game is going to end - and they aren't going to like it.
Occupy Fort Baptist apparently has 2 groups of about 6 people each. OK...it's a start, I'm hoping it will grow, but I can already see a lot of growing pains. The group I joined decided to Occupy a park at 7 am this morning and I'm told 6 people showed up. I told them yesterday I don't Occupy at 7 am on a Saturday.
My daughter saw another group around 3 this afternoon in another park. Looked like they had about 6 people too. If I had known about them, I would have joined them. It looks like the word isn't getting out...but that's OK, this is Fort Baptist, we won't be leading the world in liberal causes ever...but it's still early, I'm hoping it will grow.
About those growing pains...the group I plan on joining is...from what I can tell, led by young Tea Baggers. Now that's not going to do. I believe in government, I believe in taxes, I believe in unions, I don't want to arm myself and going around daring people.
Rather than give up now, I plan to join them at a more reasonable time of day and do what I can to instill some Occupy ideas into what appears to me to be a Tea Bagger group. Occupy is not the Tea Party. They may share an idea or two, but that's it. Occupy isn't about Democrats or Republicans, it's about humans. So I've got my work cut out for me. It will be very hard for Fort Smith to raise a crowd and be sure to get it right.
Another thing.....years ago some friend gave each of my girls 300 dollars to start a savings account. I took them to a local credit union and set it all up and 3 or 4 or 5 years later I checked their balance and both had something like 50 dollars each. I went to the joint and asked them what in the hell happened to the kid's money and they told me that fees simply ate it up. And this wasn't Bank of America...this was a credit union. Hell....I started saving money when I was 7 years old in a savings & loan and bought my first car with the money when I turned 16.
For this and dozens of other reasons, I would march in the streets. We gots to get rid of the daily feeling of being screwed to death. Also I believe Occupy is the rebirth of liberalism, the rebirth of the Left...since what we've had for years is centrist Democrats and right wing Republicans. The tree-hugging left is coming back, baby!
I guess most of the usual trolls aren't working on company time spreading their shit in this thread. It's nice not having to scroll past their hate. It'd be really great if the AT blog had an ignore option. JennOfArk, I like your ideas. Thank Buddha I'm not up to my eyeballs in debt, just one credit card left that should be paid off in 5 months and my car.
DBI
I was at the Farmers Market in Fort Baptist this morning & somewhere between 50 & 75 people were lining Garrison Ave demonstrating with volume & lots of hot pink signs. There was a police presence but they watched smiled & didn't interfere. The people at the Market were accepting but a little put off by the volume.
The marchers made stops outside the Stephens Inc. building, which also houses the Little Rock chapter of the Federal Reserve Bank, and at Bank of America. At both locations protesters chanted, “We got sold out, banks got bailed out...............great showing...duh...the incase you do this again..hint hint...downlown is CLOSED on Sat and Sun :)
MarcKyle64 --
It's not the trolls' "hate" so much as their lazy stupidity that's a complete waste of time.
You say, "It'd be really great if the AT blog had an ignore option." There IS one, Marc, as we've oft-noted. It's between your ears.
For whatever reasons -- none attractive -- some bloggers can't resist rising to trolls' bait. Even bloggers one usually and otherwise enjoys and respects can suddenly join in pointless flame wars with brats, lowering themselves in others' eyes.
It only make those bloggers look EXACTLY like the trolls they're replying to.
Needy for attention; mistaking a free-for-all blog for an actual publication like a newspaper or magazine (or worse, reality TV "stardom"); substituting juvenile ad hominem attacks for intelligence; trading opinions and lies for facts; displaying ignorance, not wit; leading lives so apparently bereft of friendships and meaningful constructive activities that they're left with baiting bloggers with schoolyard insults and begging virtual entities to "answer my question!"
DFTT, you'll read, Marc. Don't feed the trolls.
Once in a blue moon it really IS incumbent and important to respond -- adultly -- to a troll. Nine times out of ten, it's not.
If people can't resist making "snappy comebacks" to trolls, it says as much about them as about the troll.
Me? I can always find something better to do. Darn my Spanx. Roll next month's Tampons. ANYTHING.
Norma, even as the target of their loathing, I feel pity for them. They're not learning the lessons they are supposed to and will have to reincarnate and do it all over again. The biggest lesson they miss: nothing is permanent. Lives wasted accruing pittances instead of beginning to enlighten themselves. But, thank you for the reminder to DFTT, I'd not been doing that.
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