When will the lunacy stop?

Fundies want to take tax $$$ and use it teach the little children about Jebus and they want no use of tax $$$ to limit/control unwanted pregnancy.

Now they want to force a definition in holistic terms to further limit reproductive rights of women. At what point do women not rise up against these attacks from GOP/Tea Party types?

Why does the GOP/Tea Party hate women so much?

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Go ahead, Mississippi! Vote to hamstring yourself into a future of many many more unwanted children. Who will raise these kids? Who will keep them safe from neglect, poverty, abuse? Who will protect them from the preacher's "beat the FK out of your 6 month old in the loving name of Jesus" book?

In the southern states where draconian new laws have chased off the migrant worker, the fruits & vegetables are rotting in the field. If this law passes, next will we see unwanted babies rotting in the Mississippi sun? Lovely!

And how upsetting to be typing this when to the right of my typing box I see that Mrs. Duggar is producing another bag of defective kid parts in order to have her 20th child for their TV show. How much state money is going to defective child number 19? How's that kid's quality of life?

I hate abortions! But we'd all hate it if all the unwanted fetuses suddenly came to life. Some would be fine, most would be subjected to the worse horrors of raising themselves in a hostile environment, unwanted, unloved, uncared for. We'd need 100 times the prison cells we have now. It is no one's right to force a woman to give birth to a child she doesn't want or feels she cannot care for. Ain't nobody's business if she do.

The Teapublicans only use abortion as a wedge issue to muddy the political waters. They've had plenty of opportunities to attempt to overturn Roe v Wade in the past 38 years, but never tried, no doubt because they have mistresses and nubile daughters of their own and the last thing they want is to be strapped to a child no one wants. Hypocrites!

If Mississippi passes this law then Arkansas must start building a fence tomorrow to keep out all the unwanted children that will be dropped on country roads like mongrel puppies. A state like ours, full of chicken plant workers and Wal-Mart workers, can't support Mississippi's unwanted child overflow. Let the poor kids pick rotting vegetables in Alabama...bless their hearts.

No doubt the religious freaks in Arkansas are readying such a bill for us in the near future. I'd be for it if every person who casts a yes vote was required to take in 5 unwanted children, otherwise in 10 years we'll see unwanted dead babies laying on their backs beside Arkansas highways like armadillos. Please please....not that! Think now...pray & feel later.

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There is a correlation between the ignorance that births this anti-female Mississippi crap and the ignorance that keeps it at the bottom of the country's economic heap. It's also the same ignorance that allows sexist preachers to use their god to keep women subservient to their three-inch goobers/backwards ways.

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"No doubt the religious freaks in Arkansas are readying such a bill for us in the near future..."


According to NPR yesterday, one is in the works...can't let Mississippi, after all, be the only ignorant Southern state that lets Baptist preachers rule their women/economic future.

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When does a zygote become a fetus?

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What about an egg fertilized in the Contenental US but inside an undocumented.

Fertilized here = born here = citizen?

What if mother is citizen but father isn't?

What if father is citizen but mother is not?

How would DNA test be done on a zygote to determine paternity? Do you deport undocumented mother if citizen claims to be father?

Would DNA sample retreaval kill a zygote?

KNOWN horribly malformed zygotes are now forced upon women?

A drugging drinking woman can be charged with abuse of a fetus, so any woman having a miscarriage that didn't go straight to full bedrest could be charge with abuse of a zygote?

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A zygote contains unique DNA that neither its mother or father has, and is the first stage of a new human life.

All human life, from zygote to newborn to elderly adult, deserves protection.

As for "controlling women"... let's run an experiment: Have a women concentrate *really* hard and try with all her might to get pregnant. Doesn't work that way. There's more than just the woman involved.

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Of course, Brad Prewitt, the campaign director responsible for passing the initiative, is a father through in-vitro fertilization, which Initiative 26 would make impossible.

When confronted on it by others wishing, or who might wish, to use in-vitro fertilization down the road, here's his controlling white male Christian response.

“Nothing’s fair,” Prewitt replied, according to a recording, and walked away.

Okay for Brad and his wife, not for others.

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Does anyone have the Biblical basis for this?

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If life begins at conception, then the birth control pill is murder.

And you cannot be pro-life and oppose universal health care.

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DBI
What an elegant graph. " I see that Mrs. Duggar is producing another bag of defective kid parts in order to have her 20th child for their TV show. How much state money is going to defective child number 19? How's that kid's quality of life?" It's my Hallmark moment of the day. Congratulations.

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Can you answer my questions, baker?

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Anchor Zygote?

They gonna freak when they figure they just made it illegal to deport a pregnant undocumented!

How you gonna prove where the undocumented was when she became preggers?

Do I hear full free prenatal care?

Yeehaw! They gonna freak when they figure the Pandora's Box they have opened.

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How good it would be if politicians and voters would take care of the country's business instead of sticking their nose into the personal lives of women. I hope Mississippi says NO.

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If a zygote is a person, then if that zygote splits, as happens when identical twins are produced, it follows that each of the twins is a half-person. Given the general principle of "one person, one vote," identical twins would have a half-vote each and need to be so identified in the voter rolls. And if one of the twins dies as a fetus, the living twin would still be a half-person.

Now that you have your mind wrapped around that idea, consider the rarer occassion when a single zygote splits twice or more (up to eight peices). The mind wobbles.

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Sad to report to you that, "bag of defective kid parts...defective child number 19" is doing well and a normal toddler soon two years old, as reported on the msdnc Today show.

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"The Good Egg

Determining when life begins is complicated by a process that unfolds months before a sperm meets an egg"

by Stephen S. Hall

The intricacy with which an early embryo divides, compacts, hatches out of the zona pellucida, ingeniously secretes molecules that penetrate the cells lining the uterine wall in order to implant in the womb, and then recruits blood vessels to nourish the placenta and the developing fetus marks one of the most awe-inspiring metamorphoses in all of nature.

But here’s the rub: It’s horribly inefficient in humans.

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/may/cover…

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Elwood, you think it is complicated when life begins. Read my latest post to learn more at http://haltingarkansasliberalswithtruth.co… It is plain to this scientist:


Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth (Harvard University Medical School): “It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”

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I'm happy to be wrong about Number 19, baker. 7 months in the hospital is a mighty big price for an infant to pay. Who paid the bill? I don't much care if it rips out Michelle's girl parts, it's the little innocent baby I worry about.

What is the point of having a 20th child? If Michelle was black or Hispanic would this be joyous news? Making a game or TV show out of innocent little lives seems so wrong to me. And 20 more Republicans this state does not need.

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Then Saline, put them to work making goods for the 1% to get richer.

You can always find a "scientist" who graduated last in their class. Just like the doctor who is last in their class is still "MD".

The first judgement will have to be against God because there are more spontaneous abortions that people realize. Great, the mother alreaduy feels bad and then some dumb ass county sheriff calls on you. Expect to see some dumb ass preachers and police persons to get hurt with this piece of garbage.

It should be noted that MS has the lowest level of pre-natal and post birth services available of any state so expect a migration of those with money to other states to stay with the famous "sick aunt".

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Sstacks and Saline, as Stash has noted, if a zygote is defined as a unique human person with the ontological status of a person, the phenomenon of twinning then suggests that one person splits into two in the process of fetal development.

Furthermore, if as Sstacks argues, "All human life, from zygote to newborn to elderly adult, deserves protection," then God is one heck of an anti-life abortionist, as the designer of creation, since the vast majority of zygotes are naturally aborted by the uterus and never implant in the uterine wall.

The logic that all human life deserves protection and has sacred value can also be applied to the sperm and/or the ovum, since both are potential human life. Where does this process of "protecting" "human" life end, if we keep pushing the ontological status of potential life back, in a biological sense?

I'd be convinced by these glowing arguments about protecting life when they're mouthed by Republicans if I saw a scrap of evidence that most Republicans have any concern at all for the quality of most human lives. Period.

And I'm talking about the post-born lives when I make that observation.

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>>And I'm talking about the post-born lives when I make that observation.<

Pay attention to Queen Republican-

"Michele Bachmann Says If You Are Unemployed, You Should Starve"

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/08/mi…

note: This Queen Republican (not to be confused with Prancer) is well aware of gubmint handouts as she and her family have reaped the benefit, for years, of the socialized Farm Bill.

"The rich get socialism, free markets are for working people."
Gore Vidal.

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DBI
Yet another tantalizing turn of phrase, "I don't much care if it rips out Michelle's girl parts" and this even more mellifluous than the last. It seems the Duggar's have insurance, being in the top 1% they can afford it, and did not rely on handouts. You are correct that they had an option to kill the unborn child at 26 weeks but selfishly selected a different plan. Their point in having children could be to irk such as yourself but although you seem occupied with them, I doubt they know you exist and perhaps a real reason is they enjoy faith and family. Your worry for, "innocent little lives" and "the little innocent baby", seems ill founded as they appear to be doing rather well and might not need your example - rather the other way round

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You're right, eLwood. Declare it sacred by divine fiat as long as it's a zygote (or a single human cell, for that matter, since down the road, that might be cloned into a full-born human body).

Sacred up to the moment of birth.

But then, by God, it's on its own and heaven help it if it doesn't have money to buy/prove its worth. Because from the moment of birth to the moment of death, its sacred worth will depend entirely on $$$$$$ for any Republican I've ever met. (And for lots of Democrats, too. Especially those "pro-life" ones.)

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Next, will they outlaw the waste of all those half-zygotes?

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Their baby # 19 spent 7 months in Children's Hospital. They will never convince me that they paid the bill, even with insurance. I am so glad that Baby 19 is ok, but it would be interesting to see what the Duggar's health care bills have cost the state of AR over the past 20 years.

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