During the Reagan administration, two french fries with ketchup counted as two vegetables in public school lunchrooms.

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Golly gee! I always thought that tomatoes were vegatables. Thanks AT for the enlightenment. See, now the food police have been armed with more ammunition to keep us healthy. I sleep better at night knowing those folks are on guard to protect our health. I just couldn't figure out this complicated stuff without the aid and protection of our Chicago Southside enforcers. The federal plantation is such a good place to reside. We got 'Big Daddy' Obama watching out for us so what could go wrong?

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Don't forget the pickle relish, Mountain Girl.

And Sherlock, how much do you weigh, and do you have any degenerative diseases like diabetes caused by poor diet? Was it here at ATblog that I read that in the near future, 1 in 10 Americans will have Type 2 diabetes? There's gonna be a lot of blind people and people with stumps where their feet used to be if we don't get a handle on this eating problem.

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You are right on the money. I need someone like Michelle to keep that southside of chicago vigilance for me. I would never be able to do it myself. If only I had taken those nutrition courses like she did. I might have a better handle on tomatoes not being vegatables no matter what manifestation they took. However, I am getting my mind right.

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Tomatoes are fruit. You always thought wrong.

By the way, thanks for allowing the frozen pizza industry to decide what our children eat. The ONLY reason I had a child was to create profit for a multinational corporation. I would not be a good father if I allowed nutrition to get in the way of stockholder earnings.

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Just this morning I slapped an apple out of her hand and poured her a big glass of pizza sauce. It's for her own good, you know.

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Sherlock, if 10% of us are doomed to diabetes, we are obviously not paying attention in nutrition class. Someone needs to be vigilant and sound the alarm.

No open thread so I will post here two things that made me laugh.

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/jes…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/b…

The last one reminded me of a news story about a toddler who swallowed his pet turtle---took the turtle 3 or 4 days to die (that part's not funny). Red-ears are no bigger than a nickle when they hatch and are just the cutest little things, so swallowing one is not so far fetched. We had three red-ears that I brought to Arkansas with me and released in my pond. We got Timothy in 1984, so we had him well over 25 years.

This story did not make me laugh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/p…

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Ketchup is a vegetable. Catsup is a fruit.

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How botanically pedantic to define tomato as a fruit in common parlance. What snarky fun the produce section must be with squash, peppers, green beans, avocados, snow peas, chayote, etc just waiting for correction. I would have thought a good father would not require central planning to decide and provide nutrition for their child. Interestingly there are fewer calories and more protein in pizza sauce than an apple, the fruit not the computer.

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So who eats apples for protein?

There's more protein in a bean than in a stalk of celery too.

So why are you comparing apples and oranges? Or protein foods with carbohydrates in this instance?

What is your point, and what are you trying to prove?

Just wonderin'.

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According to Wikipedia, pizza sauce is made from tomato paste. Tomato paste is twice cooked tomatos, skins and seeds removed between cookings and in USA has no added seasonings. It is used to make reconstituted tomato juice. Now I know why home canned tomato juice is so much tastier than the juice I buy at the store.

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So we SHolmes is okay with legislators being "smarter" than nutritionists as long as they get money from the ketsup manufacturers and p[otato growers. May your off spring not have to endure the daily or twice daily bllod testing and shots due to Type 2 Diabetes.

And great Chicago reference. Here's another one-Jesus was a community organizer and did a pretty good job but I guess you are for the poor not having any rights and letting teh rich and influential control the government. I hope the USDA just withdraws the proposal.

And there are other vegetable growers in each of the legislator's states who don't get government money through subsidities and who don't have the money to buy a vote and they just got slapped in the face but that's the "free market", Rethuglican style. These are the same legislators who are wanting to cut Medicare and Medicaid which helps with the medical cost of stupid legislative decisions.

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No, central planning is when the government is paid campaign contributions by corporations to feed children salted tomato paste with the vitamins cooked out and teach them it's a nutritious vegetable. That is communist-style disinformation.

If the goal is personal accountability for one's health, why any conservative would approve of such a ploy focused on children is beyond me.

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You know I did a word search in the scriptures and I couldn't find one reference to a 'community organizer'. However, I did find a lot of hits on 'son of man', 'savior' 'messiah' and 'son of God'. What gives?

I think the only super duper nutritionist that you need on the old federal plantation is Michelle. She seems to have all of the angles figured and since she is a graduate of the 'southside of chicago school of nutrition and grease' she is all we need. I'm gettin my mind right. I'm gettin my mind right.

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Do you fear abundance?

"The more toppings a man has on his pizza, I believe the more manly he is,' he explained. 'Because the more manly man is not afraid of abundance. A manly man don’t want it piled high with vegetables!'
--Herman Cain

Herman Cain doesn’t eat “sissy” pizza"

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/15/herman_cai…

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OLR. I agree, "if the goal is personal accountability for one's health" feed your own children with money you have earned. The nonsense that only central planning has a clue now "That is communist-style disinformation". I seem to remember the wizards of Washington were unable to run their own food service and had to resort to private industry.

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I was shocked to just read that 56% of the school children in this state are eligible for free school lunches because of low parental income.

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OLR: What that means is that 56% of the school children in Arkansas didn't have sense enough to be born into families that earned enough money to pay for their school lunches, let alone buy food for lunches made at home.

And why didn't that 56% have enough sense to be born into families that had money enough to live close enough to school that they could walk home for lunch, and enough so that Mother could stay at home and prepare a nutritious mid-day meal, as well as a breakfast with enough fortification to prepare the kid for real mental work at school?

"We" wouldn't have to be taking care of these kids if they hadn't been so stupid as to be born into families that couldn't earn an income above the poverty level!

IMHO

[I sincerely hope your sarcasm gland hasn't atrophied!]

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Perhaps not so shocking is the disparity between the explosion of "eligible" students and the more static if not declining rates of poverty nationwide. Perhaps not so shocking is the NSLP being a major criteria for Tier 1 funds and discounted E-Rate or any number of the other programs sloshing around Washington. Perhaps not so shocking is the encouragement for all parents to apply and yet there is a marked the lack of verification of income eligibility. Perhaps not so shocking is the fraud rate found in this efficient government program, 90 percent in the LA school district but only 62 percent in New York.
Washington wastes (a classic oxymoron) some $9 billion on a food operation that serves breakfast, lunch, dinner plus snacks at a part or zero cost and has done so since Truman in 47. The original plot was to subsidize agriculture and provide nutrition for school children. Perhaps not so shocking is the success of these falsehoods.

Again I agree, "if the goal is personal accountability for one's health" feed your own children with money you have earned and not require someone else to pay your way.


IMHO
[I sincerely hope your reality gland hasn't atrophied!]

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I know there's not much difference in humans inhabiting China and the USA.

Keep them hungry as all get out. That way they'll work harder at their after-school jobs which will become commonplace as soon as Cain is elected. We can well afford to starve out several million over-fed kids. It will be good for them to buy food with their own money.

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Common sense is so lacking in the liberal progressive side of the food police.

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Unfortunately, conservatives sense of justice and fairness and mercy is similairly constrained.

And SHolmes, you really think that the Bible contained ANY of those words? You are certainly lacking in any historical sense of what the words mean (you know it doesn't mention dollars, computers, cars, smoking, individual freedom (especially doesn't mention individual freedom), and a host of other stuff that you and the SCOTUS seem to feel shouldn't be considered because Jesus and the nations Founders didn't use those exact words. FYI, Jesus didn't speak English, wasn't a blue-eyed blond, and the parts assembled in 315 into the Bible were written in Greek, Hebrew, and a host of other languages. And King James didn't write any part of it.

The best part if the Bible is true, is that we won't have to see any of our Congresspersons in Heaven because they didn't get to make the trip.

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I had my tongue in my cheek but I was hoping that reason would prevail. Ascribing the title of 'community organizer' to God's son is somewhat presumptuous and obviously reflects a political agenda. He wasn't sent to overthrow the Romans. That is what the Zealots thought. Maybe you also are a Zealot and carry on that tradition?

I'm still reflecting on the tomato and its loss of beneficial attributes when it becomes a sauce. Still gettin my mind right.

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The problem is the AMOUNT of sauce on the pizza compared to the other ingredients like crust and processed meat. Also, the sauce has things like sugar in it, which doesn't help.

We make our own pizza, with whole grain flour, organic sugar, and lots of veggies on it. If they served that, it might be considered to be good. But, the ones they serve are mostly bread with sugar and fake cheese.

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