Wednesday, February 1, 2012

The line is open

Posted by Max Brantley on Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:55 PM

We're over the hump. Final thoughts:

* THEY ALSO GO TO SCHOOL IN FAYETTEVILLE: This link will show you the 62 Arkansas high school kids nominated to be presidential scholars. A full dozen of them come from Fayetteville High School. Central High in Little Rock has six.

* CLICK IT OR .... Got a news release today from the National Park Service about a one-car wreck on West Mountain Drive in Hot Springs. The driver lost control, hit a tree and went down a 75-foot embankment. The car rolled over once. The driver was wearing a seatbelt and a four-year-old son was strapped in child restraint. The driver was taken to the hospital for non-life-threatening injuries. No report of injuries to the child.

* WHY DO ARKANSAS REPUBLICANS HATE THE U.S.? I can think of no better illustration of the toxicity of politics than the Arkansas Republican election strategy as seen in this typically sneering Ark. GOP release. With the Ark. Repubs, it's all black man (to use the polite phrasing) all the time. What that means is that an Arkansas Democratic politician is held to be very nearly traitorous if he says anything kind, even polite, about the president of the United States. You may not say he inherited a tough economy; you may not say he's working hard; you may not say he's demonstrated leadership. You must not utter a single positive about the socialist black man from Kenya. There's plenty of room to disagree with what Barack Obama has done. But he has a tough job and he has demonstrated leadership — health care, foreign intervention, stimulus spending, environment. You may not like the direction, but it hasn't been lacking. But binary Republicanism — black/white, 1/2, yes/no — won't allow even that grudging concession.

* SUPER PAC FATCATS: Browsing through a New York Times compilation of major contributors to Super PACs supporting presidential candidates, I found one from Little Rock — pathologist Patrick Walker, director of the Nephropath laboratory, who gave $50,000 to the Santa Rita Super PAC associated with Ron Paul. Walmart billionaires Jim Walton and Christy Walton, John Walton's widow, gave $100,000 and $50,000 respectively to Jon Huntsman's Our Destiny Super PAC. Jim Walton and Alice Walton gave $100,000 each to Mitt Romney's Restore Our Future Super PAC.

* PULASKI ACADEMY NAMES NEW LEADER: Matthew Walsh, who's been headmaster of the LaGrange (Ga.) Academy, has been named the new CEO and head of Pulaski Academy.

* I DO HAVE ANOTHER CENTRAL HIGH STORY AFTER ALL: In touting our cover story this week — a review of SNCC's work in Arkansas during the civil rights years — I commented that it wasn't another Central High story. But wouldn't you know it? Another one has passed across my digital desk and I recommend it highly. It's in the winter issue of the Arkansas Historical Quarterly. In it, Michael Pierce, associate professor of history at the University of Arkansas, reviews a recent book on the Central crisis and, in the process, does a crackerjack job of tearing down the fiction pushed by Orval Faubus — and picked up without careful examination by this and other modern-day historians — that the fight was a class struggle, with elites and blacks aligning to reopen desegregated schools against mostly lower class whites. Wrong, so wrong, as Arkansas Gazette reporting of the late 1950s made clear. Many working class whites also wanted their schools reopened. Elite influence was undeniable in the likes of the Women's Emergency Committee's triumph in the recall of School Board members who tried to purge suspected integrationist teachers. But it wouldn't have been possible without the considerable involvement of rank-and-file from the trade unions, once a significant segment of the city's working class. Concludes Pierce:

Intransigent racism, desire for respectability, and fear of miscegenation were problems that plagued too many southern whites of all classes during the civil rights era, but the historians of the Central High crisis have transformed them into peculiarly working-class pathologies.

Working-class whites emerge in these histories as almost feral — inarticulate, socially insecure, uncivil, governed by the basest passions, herdlike, easily manipulated, politically inept, and fundamentally irrational.

Faced with evidence that complicates this caricature — be it white Teamsters driving black voters to the polls or the mostly white trade union movement making common cause with those leading the efforts to advance African-American civil rights or data suggesting that “the honest white people of the middle and lower classes” cast nearly two-thirds of the white votes for the [Stop This Outrageous Purge] STOP slate — these historians look the other way.

Only when historians consider Little Rock’s working-class whites to be fully human — with virtues as well as flaws — can the history of the Central High crisis be told.

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Seems like yesterday that one of our resident wingnuts was making light over one the Waltons giving "a political contribution:"

>>Walmart billionaires Jim Walton and Christy Walton, John Walton's widow, gave $100,000 and $50,000 respectively to Jon Huntsman's Our Destiny Super PAC. Jim Walton and Alice Walton gave $100,000 each to Mitt Romney's Restore Our Future Super PAC.<<

Would like to see how much of Waltons' billions go to state legislative elections, state level judicial elections and governors' races.

Having $150K to toss at the lowest ranked Republican pres candidate must mean you have money to burn. Anyone who could read a newspaper column could have called Huntsman's race. Now if his race ends up getting him a Cabinet position, then Walton's invested wisely and have an open door to part of Romney's admin should people decide magic underwear/gold tablets are superior to community organizing.

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Posted by eLwood on 02/01/2012 at 5:05 PM

Republican Revenge:

'Gasland' Journalists Arrested At Hearing By Order Of House Republicans (UPDATES)

WASHINGTON -- In a stunning break with First Amendment policy, House Republicans directed Capitol Hill police to detain a highly regarded documentary crew that was attempting to film a Wednesday hearing on a controversial natural gas procurement practice. Initial reports from sources suggested that an ABC News camera was also prevented from taping the hearing;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/h…

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Posted by eLwood on 02/01/2012 at 5:17 PM

Fran Drescher says she was abducted by space aliens:

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2012/01/fran…

Two thoughts

One, maybe that's how she got that irritating voice. I mean, she's fine to look at, but if I lived with her she'd have a permanent ball gag and I'd take out both my hearing aids if I wanted it to last long-term. Hell, I probably wouldn't even need them with how loud she was on 'The Nanny'.

Two, and Timmay Boy (R-Ark.) is sticking up for these kind of people instead of us?

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Posted by MarcKyle64 on 02/01/2012 at 5:27 PM

Easy solution for Democrats who aren't down with the brother...

Nominate someone else.

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Posted by NaNaNa on 02/01/2012 at 5:29 PM

I’ve been in non-Internet HELL: hospital emergency for aging in-laws (80+-years-old)...which is one reason I've been unable to post much lately. Anyone who hasn’t yet faced the end-of-life agonies that eventually touch most of us…enjoy the sweetness...'cause unless death comes early or you don't give a damn about your people, it's coming.

A late night phone call from one of their wonderful neighbors sent hubby hurrying to the Searcy emergency room. A kindly neighbor drove them to the emergency room ‘cause mom-in-law was on death’s door because of crappy local care and her refusal to call an ambulance because ‘Grandpa’ can’t be left alone. (He, sadly has Alzheimer’s, mom-in-law has what I call normal old-age memory blurps.)

No amount of talking cuts through their reasoning behind not calling him before the situation got so serious. They, after all, ‘don’t want to be a burden to their son(s); never mind that they've been told a jillion times that it would make his life so much easier if he KNEW they would call 24/7 for his help…rather than the constant worrying about car wrecks, house-burning, etc...or going to a doctor who can't do anything but prescribe antibiotics.

She's now recovering slowly but consistently and they now have live-in help (forced upon em)...which happens to be her niece--THANK YOU GOD!!

Anyway...can't imagine what we did without the Internet; I can't live in a 85+-degree home (poor hot hubby, even shorts/t-shirts didn't help); and trying to reason with an Alzheimer's victim about not turning up the heat, not feeding chicken to our allergic-to-chicken dog and why he can't take care of his wife by himself...is a complete waste of time. I've never needed a Valium so much...several actually. (Perhaps docs should hand em out with Alzheimer's diagnoses.)

BTW...here's why the UAMS aging center didn't work: After gathering all the necessary paperwork and coordinating everyone's schedule, hubby/brother arrived with parents to be greeted by a doctor from another country. Which, of course, wouldn't have been a problem except they had a hard time understanding him...heck, hubby had a hard time and he's worldly compared to his parents. Father-in-law simply gave up, sat there which made the Alzheimer's diagnosis much worse than it actually was.

We could have overcome the communication problems, we chose not to overcome the complete indifference to them as individuals. After the first doctor gave them a list of tests he wanted them to have before their next visit--which they complied with in their entirety---they arrived back to be greeted by another doctor who didn't give a damn about those tests and tossed them aside accordingly. That combined with their unwillingness to be there in the first place made that their last trip to the aging center. I wonder if those folks really know the elderly in Arkansas...outside of big city Little Rock.

We wish we'd went to your lady doc, durango.

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Posted by zelda on 02/01/2012 at 5:32 PM

If there is no other link than that posted then,"Why do Arkansas Republicans hate the US?" must win the Alinsky Polarization Paragraph of the day. With extra credit for interpreting inferences decoded only by the writer - it is classic Brantley, sad but classic.

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Posted by baker on 02/01/2012 at 5:33 PM

There's so much of that anti-American crap going on, elwood, that I've sadly become use to it. Blow job and all, one of the first things Clinton did when he became President was to decree that if it could be opened to the public, it should be opened. Then came Bush, followed by Obama who hasn't been a friend to pesky things like FOIA/Sunshine laws.

Guess it's time for another sixties and some more hippies (which is what birthed most of those crucial laws).

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Posted by zelda on 02/01/2012 at 5:37 PM

WHY DO ARKANSAS DEMOCRATS HATE THE U.S.? I can think of no better illustration of the toxicity of politics than the Arkansas Democrats election strategy! Call anyone that says anything against this President a RACIST. Play the race card as many times as you can. "GOD DAMN AMERICA" - Rev. Wright, Barack's spiritual advisor for 20 years.

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Posted by Orville Fulbright on 02/01/2012 at 5:39 PM

Offal, they are racist! And so are you! Great quote for a white man (?) in America who has no idea what the black people in this country did, and continue, to go through in this state and country. Racist! Racist!! Racist !!!

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Posted by couldn't be better on 02/01/2012 at 5:53 PM

Why don't you go post on the Fox16 blog, Ourfail? They welcome your kind there with open arms and you won't have any fear of some mean old moderator censoring you.

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Posted by MarcKyle64 on 02/01/2012 at 6:04 PM

Oh Couldn't be better - you are so insightful!!!!!

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Posted by Orville Fulbright on 02/01/2012 at 6:15 PM

Why want Barack tell, who financed his college education? Is that a racist request?

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Posted by Orville Fulbright on 02/01/2012 at 6:19 PM

"Why want Barack tell, who financed his college education? Is that a racist request?"

I'm not sure about racist; I am sure it's an idiotic partisan request along the lines of all that birth certificate crap.

Clearly Obama's such a great President that his Republican enemies must resort to silliness like birth certificates and who funded his college education. Too bad (for y'all) that your current crop of President wannabees have such huge loads of garbage that we don't have to veer off into partisan nether-lands to criticize em.

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Posted by zelda on 02/01/2012 at 6:27 PM

Zelda--sorry about problems with in-laws.
Too bad few people have done as we have, made it abundantly clear to our children that we do not want extensive life support, do not want to be under permanent care of any child 24/7--it leads to abuse on both sides; are willing to live in a nursing or assisted care facility. And have saved enough of our retirement to cover. With today's economy, our children have problems of their own.

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Posted by Verla Sweere on 02/01/2012 at 6:37 PM

Thanks verla. Our in-laws are the complete opposite. They, above all else, don't want to live outside their own home...even in the home of a child. And father-in-law made his wife promise to never ever send him to a home.

I applaud your reasonableness. If the time comes and I can no longer live at home, I'll be thrilled that child would open his (regardless of whether I choose to go there). They are sensitive and appreciative to how much their son has done for them...including missing a boatload of work; but...he's still fighting them to get them to take the help that will enable them to stay in their home for as long as they can.

Luckily they've saved enough money to care for themselves...up until the government takes it all.

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Posted by zelda on 02/01/2012 at 7:02 PM

And Orville, last your namesake, are a maroon! What a maroon!

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Posted by dottholliday on 02/01/2012 at 7:36 PM

Is this a big problem that has somehow slipped by without my noticing? Are there a lot of men spending their Temporary Assitance for Needy Families money for lap dances? Apparently some feller who is also a congress critter from our southern neighbor thinks so. I wonder how much implementing this bill would actually cost each state. I would venture that the cost of implementation is at least a 1000 (that's a very low ball guess; probably more like 100,000) times the amount of TANF money that ends up tucked into some pole dancers g-string.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/207697-h…

h/t to John Cole who is chuckling, as am I. Who says the Repubs don't have any ideas and are a do nothing Congress.

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Posted by the outlier on 02/01/2012 at 8:03 PM

I'm with you baker.

However, instead of slamming 'that n*gger in the White House' it would be better if Ark Republicans would herald the achievements of George W. Bush more often.

Shirley they could talk about the good old days of losing 700,000 jobs per month,
WMD, neck rubs for the German Chancellor, building morale at the National Guard and helping many thousand low income folks buy homes. Call him the Home-
Owner pres:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8


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Posted by eLwood on 02/01/2012 at 8:12 PM

And let's not forget to praise "We-don't-torture Cheney."

"What we learned under Reagan is that deficits don't matter."
You know, that Cheney.

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Posted by eLwood on 02/01/2012 at 8:15 PM

And eLwood, don't forget how to handle hurricane relief!

How come Offal never brings up his BFF, George W. Bush, lap puppet for President Cheney?

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Posted by couldn't be better on 02/01/2012 at 8:29 PM

Star in the making....

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. – Freshman Hunter Mickelson’s dunk in the second half against the No. 25 Vanderbilt Commodores was rated the No. 8 play on ESPN SportsCenter’s Top 10 plays late Tuesday night.

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArti…

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Posted by eLwood on 02/01/2012 at 8:33 PM

Speaking of right-wing lies (is there ANYTHING they're truthful about?), here's a qualified scientist's take-these-facts-and-shove-it response to the WSJ's lying take on climate change.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405…

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Posted by Norma Bates on 02/01/2012 at 8:37 PM

zelda--sorry to hear about the parent-in-law problems. Unfortunately by not wanting to be a burden, they become more of a burden by waiting too long to ask for help. I worked with someone whose aunt didn't want to be a burden so she let her diabetes complications get so bad she had to have both feet amputated. I'm glad to hear that your in-laws have someone living there to help them. I hope that with her there your mother-in-law can keep her promise not to send her husband to a home but that might be difficult the more advanced his disease gets.

A lot of us on the blog have dealt (or are dealing) with the problems of aging parents. Many of us know how frustrating it can be to reason with a parent even in the beginning stages of dementia. Please feel free to air your frustrations here at any time--we are sympathetic ears.

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Posted by NeverVoteRepublican on 02/01/2012 at 8:39 PM

Sheer ignorance:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." - Thomas Jefferson, July 4, 1776

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." - Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 19, 1863

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"When was America all about everyone being equal?” - Florida contractor and Gingrich fundraiser Mary Forristall, quoted in the Washington Post on Jan. 28, 2012.

---C & L

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Posted by Cato on 02/01/2012 at 8:44 PM

Couldn't be better - George W. Bush is not our President. Barack Hussein Obama is our President. Are you that stupid? Still looking for that Hope and Change from the Community Organizer you dumbasses put in the whitehouse. Dott - Faubus was a Democrat and Fulbright did sign the Southern Manifesto. Both good Democrats in your eyes. Fulbright, Bill Clinon's Mentor. Faubus served 12 yrs, getting elected time and time again by you dumbass Democrats. Took a Republican Gov. Rockefeller to really see change.

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Posted by Orville Fulbright on 02/01/2012 at 8:51 PM

>>Couldn't be better - George W. Bush is not our President. Barack Hussein Obama is our President.<<

Reagan and Lincoln are not our presidents either. However, that doesn't stop you from celebrating them or heralding Ronnie's great accomplishments. Gringrich even runs on the Reagan legacy.

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Posted by eLwood on 02/01/2012 at 9:34 PM

Reagan was only a president? You would think he was only slightly lower than an archangel based on all of wonderful things attributed to him like tax hikes, illegal arms sales to the Contras, and a shadow government operation only slightly on the illegal side. And for that they want a statue in every town square, or maybe, one on every corner in Saline County, whichever comes first.

And AH, Jesus was a "community organizer" and that seems to have made some major changes in some of the world, ReTHUGlicans excepted!

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Posted by couldn't be better on 02/01/2012 at 10:12 PM

Dullbright, what I remember about Rockefeller is that he'd be considered to be too liberal for your current brand of political foolosophy. That didn't stop you from grasping onto his name like a remora, did it D? Any port in a storm.

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Posted by MarcKyle64 on 02/01/2012 at 10:15 PM

Jason Tolbert has a great article on Garry Smith's dumb comments. Can you believe that he admires Obama and then he goes on to talk about the fact that Jesus would be a Democrat if he was here today. I don't think he would be a Democrat or Republican but I do think he would be pro-life. http://haltingarkansasliberalswithtruth.co…

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Posted by SalineRepublican on 02/01/2012 at 11:16 PM

Have some candy, Razorbabies.

Remember Rick Santorum?

Bad Lip Reading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js3BYcHmBhE…

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Posted by Norma Bates on 02/02/2012 at 12:46 AM

I have no problem with Bill Fulbright, Orville, but (IMO) Orville was as personally craven and stupid in his actions as Governor in desegregation as President Obama was in signing the NDAA with the indefinite imprisonment without due process and the overthrowing of posse comitatus.

So what if they're all good Democrats in your eyes, probably to you so was Kennedy, but he was a failure as a President no matter how popular. You are suffering under two misapprehensions 1) that I am a Democrat; 2) that I would support any Democrat because of his affiliation regardless of his ideas and actions and that is not true.

If you don't project your predilections upon others, you won't make as many serious errors in judgement because of your biases.

“No man is justified in doing evil on the ground of expediency.”
Teddy Roosevelt 26th US President (1858-1919)

P.S. In case it slipped your mind, he was a Republican and (IMO) one of our best Presidents, in many respects.

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Posted by dottholliday on 02/02/2012 at 1:06 AM

P.P.S. Orville,

". . . Faubus served 12 yrs, getting elected time and time again by you dumbass Democrats. . . ."

And now, Orville most of your 'dumbass Democrats' are Republicans, thanks to the "Dixiecrat Movement," LBJ and the Republican "Southern Strategy."

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Posted by dottholliday on 02/02/2012 at 1:17 AM

Helen Gurley Brown, born Feb 18, 1922, Green Forest, AR, ponied up $30 million to Columbia and Stanford to help bridge the gap between journalism and engineering.

"In many news organizations, the tech people and the journalists often literally don't speak the same language," said Bill Grueskin, the academic dean at Columbia's journalism school. And that means that they can't approach problems--or new initiatives--with a unified vision.

"What can we do to not just increase the ability for the two sides to communicate and jointly work on projects," Grueskin continued, "but how can they work together to solve some of the real problems they're [attacking]?"

In a release about the founding of the Brown Institute, the two universities addressed what it could mean to bridge the journalist-engineer divide between New York and Silicon Valley."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-57368618…

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Posted by eLwood on 02/02/2012 at 1:29 AM

>>I have no problem with Bill Fulbright, Orville, but (IMO) Orville was as personally craven and stupid in his actions as Governor...<

dott, Arkansas never had a governor with the name "Orville."

Naturally wingnut "Orville" thinks rejecting Orval Faubus means
a rejection of Demos in general. I think Rockefeller was elected gov by
a majority of Demos.

The hardcore "moral conservatives" I knew in the 60s rejected Rockefeller because he drank whiskey and had his hair cut in NYC.

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Posted by eLwood on 02/02/2012 at 1:36 AM

>>And now, Orville most of your 'dumbass Democrats' are Republicans, thanks to the "Dixiecrat Movement," LBJ and the Republican "Southern Strategy."<<

Here ya are dott, straight from Wikipedia:

"When Rockefeller made his second run in 1966 only 11 percent of Arkansans considered themselves Republicans. But Arkansans had tired of Faubus after six terms as Governor and as head of the Democratic "machine." Democrats themselves seemed to be more interested in the reforms that Rockefeller offered in his campaign than "winning another one for the party." An odd coalition of Republicans and Democratic reform voters catapulted Rockefeller into the Governor's office. He defeated a segregationist, Democratic Arkansas Supreme Court justice, James D. Johnson of Conway, who preferred the appellation "Justice Jim". Ironically, years later, Johnson would switch to the Republican Party."
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In addition to racist Jim Johnson crossing over to Republicons, the GOP in Ark boasts the membership of Loy Mauch, R-Bismark, staunch defender of Dixie and all it represents.

Rockefeller could never be elected by death-loving Repubs today:

"As a dramatic last act, Governor Rockefeller, a longtime death penalty opponent, commuted the sentences of every prisoner on Arkansas's Death Row and urged the governors of other states to do likewise." --wikipedia

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Posted by eLwood on 02/02/2012 at 1:57 AM

Helen Gurley Brown was born in Green Forest??

Could the writers of The Daily Show be reading ATblog? They think Mitt may have the ends of his alimentary canal reversed as I suggested yesterday---they spared us the graphic. Good show. Brad Pitt was guest talking about his charity and rebuilding New Orleans. Eye candy for the ladies, too.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/…

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Posted by the outlier on 02/02/2012 at 5:40 AM

Another note to add to the dismal future of American workers. American Airlines, in its bankruptcy throes, is about to terminate its four pension plans, shirking its commitment to 130,000 people.

According to the repugs, we are should distrust government and trust corporations. Their rhetoric supposedly establishes the former, but reality, not a favorite among repugs, proves that corporations can never be trusted.

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Posted by YossarianMinderbinder on 02/02/2012 at 6:10 AM

Yossarian, Mitt won't worry about those pensioners since we have a safety net.

I have lost my ability to be gobsmacked by any idea that emerges from a Rethug brain. This story is out of Alabama, so maybe the bar for good ideas is set lower there.

"Alabama state Sen. Shadrack McGill said that increasing teacher pay is against "a biblical principle" because it might attract people who otherwise wouldn't do the job."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/s…

These people are not capable of anything that represents the highest order of primates. Even Koko the gorilla is capable of empathy and has a rudimentary sense of humor. Does fundamentalist religion cause devolution?

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Posted by the outlier on 02/02/2012 at 6:38 AM

Not to be out done by Shadrack out of Alabama in the ass-hattery department, Meshach and Abednego out of Georgia are running on a platform of impeaching President Obama. Their primitive, lizard brains must still be functional as they appear to be breathing.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/02/…

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Posted by the outlier on 02/02/2012 at 7:01 AM

As an example of gorilla humor, Koko once put a drinking straw up her nostril and signed that she was a "thirsty elephant". Maybe Mitt's speech/joke writing team should consider putting her on retainer.

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Posted by the outlier on 02/02/2012 at 10:08 AM

Oops! Sorry Big "L." Thank you for the spelling correction.

However, correct Wikipedia narrative may be about the underlying causes for Winthrop Rockefeller's election. Here in south Arkansas, the majority of Republicans crossed over as part of the 'Dixiecrat' revolution against LBJ's social legistation (IMO).

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Posted by dottholliday on 02/02/2012 at 11:01 AM

Fascinating story about a letter from a former slave to his former owner in Tennessee. http://haltingarkansasliberalswithtruth.co… My grandfather who was born in 1903 told me about his great aunt who threw a fit in 1910 or so when someone mentioned Lincoln or Grant at the dinner table in Franklin, TN. She remembered the Northern soldiers coming through and taking what they wanted in 1865 or so. It is amazing that our country is so young that I would here a first hand account from my grandfather. The funny thing is that the yankees changed the names of two of Arkansas' counties to Grant and Lincoln right after the war.

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Posted by SalineRepublican on 02/02/2012 at 11:24 AM

A little something from Chris Hedges:

"The liberal class plays a vital role in a democracy. It gives moral legitimacy to the state. It makes limited forms of dissent and incremental change possible. The liberal class posits itself as the conscience of the nation. It permits us, through its appeal to public virtues and the public good, to define ourselves as a good and noble people. Most importantly, on behalf of the power elite the liberal class serves as bulwarks against radical movements by offering a safety valve for popular frustrations and discontentment by discrediting those who talk of profound structural change. Once this class loses its social and political role then the delicate fabric of a democracy breaks down and the liberal class, along with the values it espouses, becomes an object of ridicule and hatred. The door that has been opened to proto-fascists has been opened by a bankrupt liberalism."

Are we are headed down the same path as the Weimar Republic? I think so but I sure hope not. Conservatives NEED liberals to maintain the fabric of the society they are in - or do they want to live in Hitler's Germany? We're almost there...

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Posted by MarcKyle64 on 02/02/2012 at 11:38 AM

Elwood, i never mentioned Regan or Lincoln, you did. Did you miss your meds today?

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