It's business, sports fans. War Memorial Stadium seats 53,900. Razorback Stadium in Fayetteville seats 72,000. 19,000 more seats produces a lot of money, particularly with preferred seating rights.
So the word has apparently come down from Hogdom. You want to keep Razorback football games in Little Rock, you'll have to expand War Memorial Stadium.
The report here is that the War Memorial Stadium Commission will discuss how to do this later this month. We went down this road once before. How to pay for it? That is the question.
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got to be at least two dozen community programs that can be cut in LR to pay for this.
seriously though, before you chuckleheads start whining about trolls and your disgust that Petrino makes more than faculty, I'm in agreement with you that nothing needs to be done to WMS. It's obvious that off-campus games don't bring anything to the program. It benefits us to have all of our home games on campus in our much larger facility. The argument that the program NEEDS games in LR each season doesn't hold water any longer.
Also the fact that we cannot bring recruits in when we play in Little Rock. So when we play LSU, one of the biggest games, we cannot even bring in recruits for it. So that makes the decision easy, IMO.
I've been going to Hog games in LR almost since I was born. I worked at War Memorial Stadium from age 7 to 17. I have a reserved tailgate spot and have SUCH a good time soaking up that scene. But as a Hog fan I must admit that it makes more sense to follow the lead of every major program in the country (remember Alabama used to play in Birmingham and even Ole Miss played in Jackson) and play all the games on campus in Fayetteville.
I guess if we put in more to get to 80,000 seats, we get ALL the games in Little Rock? I guess they have been taking lessons from Jerry Jones. Well, we can't interfere with the state religion!
Why don't we have the local representatives pass a state law to limit the total cost of a ticket to no more than 8 hours pay for the AVERAGE Arkansas worker no matter where the game is played in Arkansas? (at $37,000 a year as average, it would still be $142).
"How to pay for it? That is the question."
That is hardly the question. It will be paid for the same way as any other stadium project in recent history: with a barely disguised tax-payer rip-off scheme. No lesser than GWB made millions on one such scheme, raking in low-taxed risk-free public money. Story is told by David Johnston in "Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (and Stick You with the Bill)", which I can never recommend enough.
So, when we, the taxpayers of Pulaski County/Little Rock are asked to chip in for this, are we going to have an orchestrated resistance much like the doomed SOPA Bill and SGK dithering? One so powerful it cannot be overlooked?
Um. What about the economic benefits? The more Hog fans you have coming to LR, means more money spent in restaurants, shopping, etc. Many people who come to the LR games shop their asses off and eat their asses off when they are in LR.
What about that?
Also, with a larger stadium, Little Rock might be in contention for a bowl game. Who knows?
How 'bout this scenario...take all of the games from LR, and have a "down" year. When the Hogs are 4-4 in October or November, and nobody that lives south of Russelville makes the drive to Fayetteville, RRS is gonna look awfully empty!! How are you gonna make your money then, Mr. Long?? Take all of your games to Fayetteville, start calling them the Northwest Arkansas Razorbacks, and let's see how that works out.
It is time for UALR to get into football! Might even get to play the Razorbacks in a bowl game (heaven forbid that the Fayetteville NWA Hogs play an in-state team when they rather PAY an out-of-state $250-300,000 to come in to lose so we get that false start every year so Hog fans can say they are #1 (until they play a real Division 1 team)).
This will probably cost millions of dollars to expand for two games a year? I can't see LR coughing up the money for this. They want the Hogs but not bad enough to pony up a lot of dough.
For some reason my ass has gotten wider in recent years. I'd appreciate a more comfortable seat.
While we're at it, put in more stadium lights. You can get all the cheap electricity you need from our swell new plant at McNab.
Meanwhile, me 'n Cato will be at the DLux having a cerveza.
The stadium solution is so obvious. If Catholic High will only have a decent team again, the Rockets can draw enough of a paying crowd to non-Hog games so that the stadium bonds can be paid off in 150-160 years.
There was an article on livinLIT.com not too long ago about this (in part, but mostly about UALR football). Long & the short is that in order to justify any expansion I think you have to find a full-time tenant. UALR football would help to answer that question.
On a side note, Coed Magazine also ranked Little Rock as one of 12 unconventional cities that deserve an NFL team, though I think that is inaccurate.
There is a reason that UALR has never been allowed to have a football team, and it's not just about title IX. When Little Rock college joined the UA system, UALR had to agree to forgo football. One reason for UA's success is that they have not had to compete with other schools in the state for players and support from donors. The price of no competition from UALR was to have a couple of token football games in Little Rock. If UA doesn't want to have the games in Little Rock, so be it.
Little Rock should just say no to expanding War Memorial. If you want football in Little Rock, build up the UALR program. University of South Florida has a short but successful history of success with football, so it can be done (much easier in talent rich south Florida). The threat of adding football to UALR has the potential to give Jeff Long migraines and open a Pandora's box. Now's the time to do it while conferences are realigning over the next decade.
As a long-time resident of LR, an alum of the UofA and a life-long supporter of and contributor to the Hogs, I say move the games to the campus. The roads are good now and travel time is shorter. They also have some inexpensive hotels. Central Arkansas has shown that it is not really interested in developing a sports face, relying instead on 2 games a year by the UofA. War Memorial should have been hosting a bowl or all star game for years. All of Arkansas' colleges should have at least one game scheduled in the Rock every year. Local businesses should have put up the funds necessary to make this happen. We should be hosting an annual college baseball tournament at Dickey-Stephens like other cities. Keep War Memorial as it is. Just expand it's uses. And by all means free UALR from the restriction on beginning a football program, i.e. UAB, South Alabama, Western Kentucky, FIU, Florida Atlantic, USF, UCF.
On principle alone, I say let the games remain in NWA. The more marginalized the Hogs athletics become, the better. This state needs a serious head adjustment when it come to the Hogs. THEY ARE A COLLEGE ATHLETIC PROGRAM! It's amazing how so much intellectual (?) firepower is dedicated to discussing, organizing, proselytizing, praising, and criticizing the Hogs. What a shame...
Allow the U of A to keep all their stupid sports that will never again see a national championship! They should only be allowed to take away the games.....if........get this.......other colleges such as UALR can be allowed to set up a football team and the mighty U Of A has to play ASU from here on out.
I say stick it to the U of A good!
As far as the Razorback Nation goes there's more fans within Central Arkansas or striking distance to LR.
It's great to have the Hogs play in Little Rock. And the atmosphere at WMS is remarkable.
But I understand the economic pressure/opportunity to move all the games to Razorback Reynolds. We can drive Fayetteville.
I love LR. I wish there was a way to use WMS. I could be wrong but I don't think UALR Football would fill WMS. Maybe there's something more niche' that could grow at WMS.
Just a little what if, Memorial Stadium is expanded to 85,000 seats via tax bonds and the University of Fayetteville still schedules all its home games at Fayetteville????
Why not get three or four ASU games scheduled for War Memorial Stadium a year, tell Fayetteville Athletics department to enjoy their increase in Fayetteville home games and watch how the attitudes at the University of Fayetteville revise. It might take a few years, but there would be a shift in program popularity and perhaps enrollment that the U of Fayetteville has never experienced before nor would they like the change.
Just a "What if" . . .
Its not 1948 anymore. Having the UA play there at the time made sense in the days before TV, decent roads (many rural AR counties had mostly gravel highways in 1948).
I've watched Razorback FB and MBB most of my life, however its time to get real folks. Alabama and Ole Miss no longer play in Birmingham and Jackson. LSU no longer schedules "home" games in Shreveport. Tennessee doesn't schedule home games in Memphis for its fans in West Tennessee.
Building a new stadium in greater Little Rock or putting 10-20K more seats in WMS would only benefit Razorback fans. Central Arkansas isn't a cosmopolitan sports town as two failed Minor League hockey franchises, and the failure of the NBA D-League team have proven. UALR seldom fills up their late-model on campus arena. Even the long-time minor league baseball team has a tough sell.
If the Razorbacks want to stay in Little Rock fine, but don't force the taxpayers to foot the bill for an expansion especially if the shine wears off of the football team (that happened in the 1990's before HDN).
Just say no to waste of public funds. Raise the ticket prices to balance the demand instead of adding more seats. Have a few other games a year, featuring ASU and Ark Tech. Get some use out of a facility that otherwise has little utilization.
Or, "acclimation."
I guess this is a civil union.
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