We've been studying the case at school. Just heard about this new documentary. When will it be available? Cindy Robinett, Pocahontas, AR

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PROSECUTE TERRY HOBBS

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Many people believe the WM3 were not innocent but guilty as charged and that they were the ones that committed the crime. They were found guilty by a unanimous jury the first time. They plead guilty instead of waiting for a trial the second time.

Two of the new "witnesses" against Hobbs are fourth-hand statements. They claim that Michael Hobbs told them something, which Michael Hobbs heard from his father, which he heard from someone else.

The DNA found at the scene of the crime of the three murdered boys that was supposedly from Hobbs was from a hair that could have come from simple contact with one of the victims. The hair could have belonged to 1.5 percent of the population (or several million people).

The evidence against Hobbs is very weak. The evidence and the many confessions against the WM3 is much stronger.

Misskelley confessed three separate times, once with his lawyer present. Misskelley also told two other people about the crime before he was arrested. Baldwin told someone else he committed the crimes. Echols was seen in muddy clothes near the crime scene. Echols is reported to have either told or bragged about the crime to four people before he was arrested.

Echols also had a history of psychiatric treatment. His reported actions included brutally killing a dog, starting fires at his school, threatening to kill his teachers and parents and stating he liked to drink blood.

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"Many people believe the WM3 were not innocent but guilty as charged and that they were the ones that committed the crime. They were found guilty by a unanimous jury the first time. They plead guilty instead of waiting for a trial the second time."

If your life was on the line and the state had gotten it wrong the first tima and all the subsequent times on appeal in this OVERLY apparent miscarriage of Justice would you have trusted a Jury with your life? Yeah didn't think so. The Justice system is not infallible.

"Two of the new "witnesses" against Hobbs are fourth-hand statements. They claim that Michael Hobbs told them something, which Michael Hobbs heard from his father, which he heard from someone else."

Are you familiar with any of the second third and fourth hand statements that convicted the WM3? Might want to check that out you are only proving the point. Besides Jr supposedly heard Hobbs and his dad talking about it once so that makes it second hand.

"The DNA found at the scene of the crime of the three murdered boys that was supposedly from Hobbs was from a hair that could have come from simple contact with one of the victims. The hair could have belonged to 1.5 percent of the population (or several million people)."

So what are the chances of the one of the several million people are in West Memphis Arkansas with DNA matching Terry Hobbs is standing in a ditch bank murdering his step son. I.5% of the population can be hit with space debris falling to the earth... do you know anyone that happened to? Yeah i thought not. And speaking of Knots... so you are saying that out of all the dna not found at that crime scene including dna from people who say they were indeed with Stevie that day, the one person who has adamantly stated that he was NOT with Stevie and did not see him at all that day ist the person who's DNA is found and also lets not forget about David Jacoby's DNA being found there. The man Hobbs states he was with that day.... See how actually laying out the ACTUAL evidence does?

"The evidence against Hobbs is very weak. The evidence and the many confessions against the WM3 is much stronger."

Confessions from a scared coerced teenager don't mean anything. The evidence AGAINST the wm3 is evaporating. Evidence pointing towards hobbs AFTER 20 years is multiplying... If you are going to belive all of the HEARSAY Damien and Jason confessed crap, also notice how most of those peopld have recanted and minimized the impact of their statements, also see the point you made above about hearsay... good for the goose good for the gander.

"Misskelley confessed three separate times, once with his lawyer present. Misskelley also told two other people about the crime before he was arrested. Baldwin told someone else he committed the crimes. Echols was seen in muddy clothes near the crime scene. Echols is reported to have either told or bragged about the crime to four people before he was arrested."

You can't be PRO hearsay for the wm3 and ANT HEARSAY for Hobbs... I'm sorry but the law doesn't work like that... and if said statements were credible and able to be admitted into court they would have... Also the point you need to remember is this Jessie was coerced the first time... The second and third times he was being pressured to testify... point being he didn't testify. SO any statement he made is a moot point and was made after the prosecution repeatedly violated his 5th and 6th ammendment rights. http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/motions/de_jb_m…

"Echols also had a history of psychiatric treatment. His reported actions included brutally killing a dog, starting fires at his school, threatening to kill his teachers and parents and stating he liked to drink blood. "

SO what. I have a psychiatric record so do many people in this world it doesn't make them murderers. ALSO Most of the crap you just listed is also exaggerated hearsay and rumor. NOT PROOF of squat.

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Disclaimer folks... any website with truth in the title usually is far from truthful... you guys have been holding on to the same old line for years. Your numbers are rapidly shrinking as cognicent and rational people come to this case... your websites are inactive, ineffective and filled with faulty made up information. Get lives folks... those men were not the monsters you try to make them out to be. You are protecting the very monster that did this and the sooner you reconcile that the sooner you can move on to your real lives. The hundreds of thousands of die hard supporters are NOT going away and we multiply everyday.

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The new Documentary is said to be released to the public in September,

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I'm simply astounded that there are still people out there who believe the WM3 are guilty.

They cite Jessie's statements. Take the time and READ THEM. They are ridiculous at best - http://www.dpdlaw.com/jmstatements.htm . Only someone with an IQ lower than Jessie's could possibly cite these as a basis to believe in guilt. They're internally inconsistent and don't align with ANY of the physical evidence - not one piece.

They cite Damien's psych issues, as if this substituted for evidence. There was not a single hair, fingerprint, footprint, drop of blood, or strand of DNA that linked back to the WM3. In spite of Damien having shoulder length black hair and always wearing Army boots, which leave a somewhat distinctive print.

Asserting that the WM3 are guilty does nothing more than make you look foolish.

Even the victims' families (with the exception of the Moores, who refused to meet with the investigators in 2007) have seen the truth. The WM3 aren't guilty. Hobbs most probably is.

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If you mean failed polygraphs meaning they were told they failed polygraphs that were conducted by inept polygraphers then yes that would be correct.

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Yes, everyone cares very much about Stevie, Chris, and Michael. As much as there is and should be anger about what happened to Jason, Jessie, and Damien, it is equally offensive to the idea of justice that the perpetrator, who I believe to be one Terry Wayne Hobbs, has not faced justice.

We fight for justice for them and their memory as much as (if not more than) for the WM3.

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Not true that "the three failed polygraph tests."

Jessie was told he failed. The actual tracing from his test (the raw results) were reviewed by the gentlemen who teaches polygraph science for the FBI, who said the only thing he lied about was his prior drug use. If you put stock in polygraphs, Jessie's statements that he had no idea who killed the boys was found truthful.

After the WMPD's reading of Jessie's test was found to be wrong, the WMPD claimed to have "lost" the original tracing on Damien's test.... like they lost the Bojangles evidence and everything else that didn't fit with the their theory of the crime.

Jason never took a polygraph.

If you like polys, btw, Hobbs' relatives who said they overheard him admit his guilt ... they passed tests.


No one said that Dan Stidham (Jessie's attorney) "forced the febuary confession?" (Or Jessie's statements after that). What has always been said is that Jessie's statements don't even come close to aligning with the known forensic evidence. Why did he say it? I don't know - maybe to please those in power over him? The February 1994 statement was made in the hope of getting a plea bargain to reduce his sentence... but even then, when he was most motivated, he couldn't get any of the details right.

And again, I always come back to that there was not a single hair, fingerprint, footprint, drop of blood, or strand of DNA that linked back to any of the WM3. In spite of Damien having shoulder length black hair and always wearing Army boots, which leave a somewhat distinctive print. The evidence that IS there? Hobb's DNA. A hair from a friend of his he was with that day. A tennis shoe print on the ditch bank that matched his size and type. ETC!

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Here are some urls with info on this case:

west memphis three guilty video
WM3 - What Paradise Lost left out
http://wm3truth.com/2012/01/youtube-video-…

What the parents of the murdered children think about the movie Paradise Lost
http://wm3truth.com/2012/01/oscar-nominati…
http://wm3truth.com/2012/01/letter-to-ampa…

"Directors Berlinger and Sinofsky lied to grieving parents. They have callously accused not one, but two, grieving parents of their own sons’ murders. They manipulated viewers into believing that these trials were a witchhunt, showing only very carefully selected snippets of trial testimony. The trials of our sons’ murderers lasted twenty-two days. Despite having over 140 hours of footage in their possession, Berlinger and Sinofsky ultimately showed viewers less than one hour of trial footage and led viewers to the false conclusion that there was no evidence produced that the three defendants were guilty. They neglected to include virtually all of the evidence against the defendants, regardless of the fact that two juries and the Arkansas Supreme Court deemed that sufficient evidence of their guilt existed. The directors spun three films worth of lies and manipulation, leading viewers to believe that there was insufficient evidence of guilt."

Griffs "the cult expert" graduated from high school, graduated from Terra Technical College with an associate degree in police science, graduated Magna Cum Laude Heidelburg College with a B.A. in Psychology, Master's Degree in Criminal Justice, term paper was on Police Intelligence for Small Agencies, then got a PhD from Columbia Pacific, he wrote his doctoral dissertation on Mind Control Cults and Their Effects on the Objectives of Law Enforcement. He spent 26 years in law enforcement, rose to the rank of captain and was the deputy chief of the Tiffin Ohio police department. There was no panic. This case was decided on the evidence and testimony.

Echols at the time suffered from psychotic behavior, made threats of violence and committed actual acts of violence.
http://wm3truth.com/damien-echols-profile/
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/exh500.html


Misskelley’s lawyer and WM3 defenders often make the similar claim that Misskelley functions at a five-year-old level. Again, there’s no evidence for this claim. He was 17 at the time of the crime and confession, and he functioned at the level of a street-smart but low-IQ 17-year-old.
http://wm3truth.com/jessie-misskelleys-con…

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Again, I just remain astounded at people who ignore all the forensics and all common sense and continue to pretend that there's a viable argument that these guys are guilty; that so-called "nons" still exist at this point.

I'm hardly a knee-jerk "they're innocent" type. I graduated from law school in 1996 having interned for both defense and prosecution. I'm one of the loudest voices correcting people who assert that Mumia Abu Jamal is innocent (there's a case to look at if you want to see everything that the nons claim about the WM3 ... and rock-solid evidence that the accused is in fact guilty - http://justice.danielfaulkner.com/ ).

There is not, never has been, and never will be comparable evidence to claim the WM3 are guilty. Damien was targeted by a juvenile officer who knew of his psychiatric history (which Damien had been motivated to make look as bad as possible since he was applying for SSD based on it). In fact, the juvenile officer announced at the murder scene before the investigation even began that "well, it looks like Damien Echols finally killed someone." The quest to build a case against him took off from there. This is not evidence.

THIS is evidence (or lack thereof): There was not a single hair, fingerprint, footprint, drop of blood, or strand of DNA that linked back to the WM3. In spite of Damien having shoulder length black hair and always wearing Army boots, which leave a somewhat distinctive print.

I see the link to the "wm3truth" (a name George Orwell would be proud of) website, which discusses Jessie's many absurdly inconsistent statements, not a single one aligning with the known forensics. Rather than viewing websites that discuss the statements, I suggest listening to them and reading them yourself: http://www.dpdlaw.com/jmstatements.htm . Many years ago, they are what made me a supporter (years before the DNA, etc) came out.

I generally try to treat those with differing opinions with respect but the arrogance and nastiness of those who simply will not say "the State was wrong" is maddening. I'm sorry, but as an attorney, as someone who's studied the case for over a decade: This is an IQ test. If you read Jessie's statements and think they're actual evidence of guilt: You fail.

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Dave

We always knew you didn't know a damn thing about law. 10 million and counting is what got the three child murderers out of prison, this case was not about justice it was about how much money people could make off of it, and if you don't see it you are blind. Oh I forgot your an ambulance chaser anyway.

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I hope there are 1,000 people who are "on the fence" or unfamiliar with the case who read these responses. I speak of evidence and give links to Jessie's absurd statements. You call names.

That, folks, is the essence of this "debate" (to the extent that there's even enough of an argument supporting guilt that it can be called a "debate").

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