http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/08/22/arkansas-gop-on-abortion-never Comments On: Arkansas GOP on abortion: Never by Leslie Newell Peacock en-us Copyright 2013 Arkansas Times. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Arkansas Times readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Arkansas Times. robert@arktimes.com (Arkansas Times Webmaster) Sat, 25 May 2013 00:00:01 -0500 Sat, 25 May 2013 02:15:00 -0500 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by the outlier]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:54:20 -0500 Arkansas Times Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:36:58 -0500 Arkansas Times
Posted by the outlier]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:21:22 -0500 Arkansas Times http://thedailyhatch.org/2012/05/04/feedba…
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:50:30 -0500 Arkansas Times Posted by the outlier]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:59:02 -0500 Arkansas Times http://thedailyhatch.org/2012/08/23/open-l…

This address was delivered by the late Dr. Francis Schaeffer in 1982 at the Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, Fort Lauderdale, Florida. It is based on one of his books, which bears the same title.

The January 11 Newsweek has an article about the baby in the womb. The first 5 or 6 pages are marvelous. If you haven't seen it, you should see if you can get that issue. It's January 11 and about the first 5 or 6 pages show conclusively what every biologist has known all along, and that is that human life begins at conception. There is no other time for human life to begin, except at conception. Monkey life begins at conception. Donkey life begins at conception. And human life begins at conception. Biologically, there is no discussion -- never should have been -- from a scientific viewpoint. I am not speaking of religion now. And this 5 or 6 pages very carefully goes into the fact that human life begins at conception. But you flip the page and there is this big black headline, "But is it a person?" And I'll read the last sentence, "The problem is not determining when actual human life begins, but when the value of that life begins to out weigh other considerations, such as the health or even the happiness of the mother."

We are not just talking about the health of the mother (it's a propaganda line), or even the happiness of the mother. Listen! Spell that out! It means that the mother, for her own hedonistic happiness -- selfish happiness -- can take human life by her choice, by law. Do you understand what I have said? By law, on the basis of her individual choice of what makes her happy. She can take what has been declared to be, in the first five pages [of the article], without any question, human life. In other words, they acknowledge that human life is there, but it is an open question as to whether it is not right to kill that human life if it makes the mother happy.

And basically that is no different than Stalin, Mao, or Hitler, killing who they killed for what they conceived to be the good of society. There is absolutely no line between the two statements -- no absolute line, whatsoever. One follows along: Once that it is acknowledged that it is human life that is involved (and as I said, this issue of Newsweek shows conclusively that it is) the acceptance of death of human life in babies born or unborn, opens the door to the arbitrary taking of any human life. From then on, it's purely arbitrary.


Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2012 07:24:50 -0500 Arkansas Times
But go ahead and stick your nose in other people's very private business and someone will cut the damn thing off. And for the record at 20 weeks a fetus is mostly a gob of flesh. I'll let Jesus worry about unborn fetuses, I have plenty of my own business to attend to.
Posted by DeathbyInches]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:01:05 -0500 Arkansas Times
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/22/the_gop_pa…

This is why it's virtually impossible to carry on an intelligent conversation with 99% of Natural Staters. (Though 30,000 is certainly better than none.)


Posted by Norma Bates]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:13:01 -0500 Arkansas Times
Our society could use your energy

THere are people, age 0 to 25, who desperately need help. They have addicted parents, no resources, dependency issues, etc etc.

You could make a difference in a life tomorrow. Maybe make a success story.

Yet you rant about saving a few cells here and there who, once born, only earn you scorn.

Tell me you've adopted 2 special needs kids, that you tutor in a Head Start, that you help with family planning clinics and I might find you sincere.

Keep your clan clean. Leave others alone.
Posted by mudturtle]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:02:20 -0500 Arkansas Times
Namely, God and Jesus (presumably) "abort" well over 50% of America's pregnancies every year by spontaneously terminating them. Some call that "nature." Some call that "scientific / medical fact."

Hence the Stupid must maintain the Stupid. (The truth is that they're theo-fascist thugs hell-bent on imposing their ignorance, religious superstitions and dogma on everybody else; deeply resentful and afraid of a world where ever-improved increasing communications and education expose them; terrified of where they will turn when Jesus-worship goes the way of Zeus and Thor.)

Yes, my Razorbabies, "Jesus and God" are responsible for more "deaths of innocent unborn children" annually than all American women and doctors combined.

As I said then, Lovingly as always, for that is my Way, if you want to terrorize and kill "abortionists," bomb your Deities.

The Tao of Norma.


Posted by Norma Bates]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:59:57 -0500 Arkansas Times Posted by Ron Rizzardi]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 20:52:23 -0500 Arkansas Times Posted by Drackman]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 19:07:31 -0500 Arkansas Times Posted by couldn't be better]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:36:13 -0500 Arkansas Times
If I was god I'd make where there was no abortions because every baby born would be perfectly healthy and have 2 adoring parents of any gender. But even drunk I know I'm not god so I don't try to whip up a self-satisfying fantasy over other people's bodies.

In your mind every fetus looks like baby Jesus and will be the next Billy Graham + cancer cure finder. You never think about fetuses carried to term by little girls, or poor people who can't feed themselves, or imbeciles who can't take care of themselves, or drug addicts, or anyone else who might accidentally or on purpose neglect or mistreat a child they don't want.

Our prisons are full of these children all grown up. Some of these aborted fetuses might have murdered you in your sleep if they hadn't been mercifully aborted following the laws of the land. Life is not a series of joyous occasions for all of the earth's inhabitance......

So for all these reasons and more you...YOU and all other Republicans should keep your lip off other people's bodies and lives. This isn't about you! Mind your own business!
Posted by DeathbyInches]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:04:48 -0500 Arkansas Times Posted by Polecat]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:06:37 -0500 Arkansas Times
Don't want you to get hurt but a good hurricane on that group of science obstructionists meeting in Tampa next week would be a sign that maybe even they can recognize that God isn't too happy with them. No serious damage, just take the roof off the building and let all the baloons blow all over the city so they can be cited for littering.

And Drackman, there is no scientific basis that 2 cells constituite anything more than two cells. Abortion is one thing and should be done rare and birth control would fix a lot of that but then the GOP would have to find another reason for the evangelical group to show up at the polls because the Bush deficits just won't do it.

BTW, why isn't the Tea Pot brains upset about the Ryan budget that runs deficits out the next 40 (FORTY) years. If it was important, then raise taxes and fix it. Obviously, the un-American Republicans still hold their oath to Grover the grouch as more important than their oath of office or to those who elected them. Frankly, they should all be imopeached and held at GITMO until trial. Mean enough?
Posted by couldn't be better]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:06:30 -0500 Arkansas Times
Control over the many, through imaginary fear of eternal damnation, at the profit of the few.

Hurricane season hits Tampa! Hand-in-hand with the Darlenes. SO exciting!


Posted by Norma Bates]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:36:11 -0500 Arkansas Times
JUST ANOTHER DAY IN THE LIFE OF GOOD CHRISTIANS TAKING CARE OF THEIR FELLOW MAN (WOMAN).
Posted by TX-Travler]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:43:37 -0500 Arkansas Times
"I don't know how to fix the Republicans. They live in a different world than I do. I am for legalized abortion because:

1. It's none of my business what someone else does with their body.
2. I have known seriously troubled adults who were unwanted & abused children.
3. For every exceptional person Huckabee can name there are hundreds of thousands living in misery in and out of prison.
4. A fertilized egg is not a person.
5. Politician's opinion is the last opinion I want or need.
6. Old people past breeding age should be ignored.
7. Someone else's hocus-pocus is of no importance, smack their noses."
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What you should have said is, "I am for legalized abortion because I do not believe in, and therefore, see no sanctity in human life."

That item number 2 really gets me. Why not apply that logic to people born with any number of birth defects such as Down Syndrome or Krabbe disease or missing limbs? Someone like Jennifer Bricker should have been aborted since her father didn't want her? I know there have to be people--children and adults who believe their lives have value, but who were products of rape pr incest. Of course it's not okay to kill them now, but it would have been okay when they were in the womb? How about Jaycee Dugard's two daughters, fathered by her rapist. She loves those kids, and according to their great aunt Tina, "They are clever, articulate, curious girls who have a bright future ahead of them." Now that they are viable, breathing human beings and wanted by their mother, well of course they should be allowed to continue to live. But because their father was their mother's rapist, their nature as embryos in the womb was somehow nasty, polluted, spawn of the devil and therefore prime candidates for being snuffed out before they could have a chance to be clever, articulate, curious girls with a bright future? If abortion was legally sanctioned in this country, many would think that DeathByInches words came out of some cult.

I believe all human life is special, and whether it's the licensed abortionist working out of his office or a lady named Katroon working out of her trailer off of Sardis Bend, no one has the right to snuff out the life of an unborn child.

DeathByInches goes on to say, "I have never caused an abortion but I have helped several women get an abortion and I would in the future without any loss of sleep." In other words, ripping a child out of the womb in pieces is the Holy Sacrament of the Democrat Party, and they'll do anything to protect it.


Posted by Drackman]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:40:44 -0500 Arkansas Times
If I tried to rape a woman I'd be convicted of assault with a dead weapon, so I don't worry about an unwanted pregnancy any more. I don't even worry about our 2 nubile young daughters because they have good sense and they take their pills everyday as regular as clockwork..plus they both have great long term boyfriends, good to the bone, so if they did slip up, I'd whistle a happy tune while knitting baby booties. So see....someone like me doesn't need to offer my opinion to young fertile folks unless asked and then the discussion would be about economics, life goals and not hocus-pocus. But mostly it isn't any of my business what anyone else does with their body, taint fittin, taint fittin!
Posted by DeathbyInches]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:33:11 -0500 Arkansas Times "Old people past breeding age should be ignored."
Keep that idea to yourself or I'll lay one on you and bust YER nose.
Now I agree with just about everything else you have to say, but I can't let that one slip by. I suspect that most of us around here, at least those of us who post during the work day, are past breeding age. And most of us will mind our own business in terms of another woman's decision to bear a child or not.
(Okay, maybe not, if she's aiming for double digits. But I'd never have the gall to tell her what I'm thinking.)
Fact is, I was past "breeding age" when I was 30, for which I must thank an understanding doctor, one whom it took me several years to find. Nothing made me want to bust a doctors' noses back then as much as them telling me "You'll change your mind." (And I still had to pony up for useless office visits.)
Posted by Doigotta]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:08:38 -0500 Arkansas Times
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/t…

Actual living babies have a bad habit of being black or brown or yellow or poor or, worse yet, immigrant.


Posted by Silverback66]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:03:40 -0500 Arkansas Times
"I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law, and the right of a woman to make that choice, and my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign"

--Willard Mitt Romney, senatorial candidate (R), Massachusetts, 1994

"As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change."

Platform of Willard Mitt Romney, gubernatorial candidate (R), Massachusetts, 2000

The (R) stands for the party affiliation of Willard Mitt Romney when he made the first declaration and when his platform made the second statement. It means Republican.

And now you know where Republicans have stood on that issue--and how the current platform of the Republican party (R) reflects that long, long, and unvarying position you imagine all Republicans have had since time immemorial.



Posted by William D. Lindsey]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:01:17 -0500 Arkansas Times

Romney pushes on with discredited welfare attacks

MIDLAND, Texas (AP) — Mitt Romney claims he's got a winner with his criticism that President Barack Obama is giving welfare recipients a free ride. Never mind that aspects of his argument against the Democrat are factually inaccurate.

Those flaws aside, Romney's team is pressing on with the charge that the president ended a provision requiring welfare recipients to work. Romney aides insist the argument is helping them gain ground with middle-class voters anxious about the economy and independents who see Obama's welfare changes as an indication that he is a typical liberal, not a moderate. But the campaign offers little evidence to back up those assertions.

Obama's team, in turn, says Romney's welfare charges are dishonest. Numerous independent fact-checkers, including The Associated Press, have determined that Romney and his surrogates are distorting the facts.

"Everybody who's looked at this says what Gov. Romney's saying is absolutely wrong," Obama said Monday. "They can run the campaign they want, but the truth of the matter is you can't just make stuff up.
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The White House says the waivers Obama approved for states last month would only allow them to drop the work requirement if they can accomplish the same goals using different methods, a move Obama aides said was done at the request of both Republican and Democratic governors.

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-pushes-discre…
Posted by eLwood]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:42:24 -0500 Arkansas Times
1. It's none of my business what someone else does with their body.
2. I have known seriously troubled adults who were unwanted & abused children.
3. For every exceptional person Huckabee can name there are hundreds of thousands living in misery in and out of prison.
4. A fertilized egg is not a person.
5. Politician's opinion is the last opinion I want or need.
6. Old people past breeding age should be ignored.
7. Someone else's hocus-pocus is of no importance, smack their noses.

I'll stop there. America's problem starts with people not minding their own damn business. I can barely control what happens between my property lines, I sure can't control the rest of Fort Baptist and I don't really want to. Keep your ideas to yourself and let them guide every step of your life, but don't lay them on me or I'll bust yer nose.

I have never caused an abortion but I have helped several women get an abortion and I would in the future without any loss of sleep. As long as there are Duggars around we won't be needing woman to birth children they don't want or can't afford.
Posted by DeathbyInches]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:32:11 -0500 Arkansas Times