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      <![CDATA[As I see it, it shouldn't be conceal carry. It should all be open carry, so we can all decide for ourselves if we want to be around that person with the gun. <br>
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As it is now, with conceal carry we are uninformed so don't have the freedom to make our own decisions as to just how "responsible" the person that has the gun appears to be.
        
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      <![CDATA[Statistically, you're 6 times less likely to commit a violent crime if you have a concealed carry permit.  Yes, Arkansas CHCL holders are the very last thing to worry about if you're in Little Rock.  <br>
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End the drug war if you want to see a real decrease in violent crime.  Otherwise, shutup about law-abiding gun owners.<br>
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Pot/Gun Party 2016!
        
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      <![CDATA[He is no hero. He broke the law. He should lose his conceal permit.  I am not in law enforcement or a lawyer so I have no idea what his punishment will be other than that. There are a lot of shootings in Little Rock. I recall very few, if any, from anyone with a license. Most people I know that carry a gun are just normal folks who want have a say in their ability to live or die if, God forbid, something like a situation like that theater shooting in CO should happen here.
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't hate the idea of people with concealed weapons.<br>
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What I hate is the idea of having to be in the unwitting company of people with concealed weapons with a "Dirty Harry" complex and no apparent brain-power to match.<br>
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Flyairplanes, I sure as hell hope the guy in the scrubs shooting across a parking lot yesterday is not your idea of a hero.
        
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      <![CDATA[For some reason, I just don't believe you, flyairplanes.
        
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      <![CDATA[This guy messed up. No doubt about it. For those if you who hate the idea of people with a legal concealed weapon on their person, you might as well get used to it. We are everywhere. One if us might just save your life one day. Trust me, we are the least if your problems when it comes to crime in Little Rock.
        
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      <![CDATA[DBI mentions the bank robbers of the 1930s.  Pretty Boy Floyd was known to hang out in Eureka Springs on occasion.  Of course, I was a mere baby then, but my mother used to tell me that  my dad's female cousin, who reportedly was something of a strumpet, would date him when he came to town--even though she was married at the time.  Of course, my mother was divorced from my dad at that time, so who knows how true that was.
        
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      <![CDATA[He fired at a fleeing car that got on a very busy highway. The fleeing car driver could have been injured and could have run into another car thereby killing more people. Also, if the robbers know everyone is packing, as someone said on the news tonight, what is to stop them from hesitating to use deadly force in the robbery now?
        
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      <![CDATA[CB63<br>
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Yesterday KTHV reported the shooter was a doctor but did not identify him.  I have not seen the doctor reference today though.  Just that the shooter was a man in scrubs.<br>
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Since this is anonamous and all I can make a comment about the concealed carry permit process.<br>
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My wife recently received her permit in the mail from taking the class last summer.  I was disappointed in what they taught her.  <br>
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But wife and her father trotted off to Mountain Home to hurry and get their pistols before that election last week since they are convinced Obummer is coming personally to pry their new 38's from their cold dead fingers.<br>
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This "doctor" seems to have gotten about as much training as the wife did.  After target practice off our deck I have determined if the wife is shooting I had better have made her pretty damn mad.  The safest place to be is where she is aiming, nowhere else is though.
        
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      <![CDATA[I may have missed it, but where does it say the shooter was a doctor. I see that he was wearing scrubs, but that doesn't mean he is a doctor. My daughter in laws wear scrubs at work and they are not doctors. Doesn't change the wrongness of what happened, just curious.
        
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      <![CDATA[After the last 5 years it's a wonder everyone in the crowd wasn't shooting at the bankers. Once again we're in a period where bank robbers will be romanticized by the suffering public. If these robbers strike again quickly at 5 more banks they might earn themselves the adulation of the depressed-recessed public much like Jesse James, the Dalton gang, Dillinger and Pretty Boy Floyd enjoyed.<br>
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And wouldn't it just be a doctor who took it upon himself to protect the bank's interest? He probably has a plan in place to NOT be seeing Medicare patients in the future if he's not already cut them off. Anyone check to see if he had a Romney bumper sticker on his car?
        
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      <![CDATA[I just went back and re-read the law on concealed weapons.<br>
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Yeah, this guy can - and should - be charged.<br>
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But this incident really gets next to me.  I'm one of those people who would like to shop, dine, transact business, etc., without having to worry about whether this doctor is in the same space as I am.  Perhaps with one or more of my grandkids in tow.<br>
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Because with the exceptions noted in the law, anyone with a properly issued concealed weapons permit can carry it anywhere that a business owner has not posted "a written notice clearly readable at a distance of not less than ten (10) feet that “carrying a handgun is prohibited”.  [See ACA 5-73-306 (19)(A)]<br>
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You ever seen one of those notices at WalMart or Target?  Or Kroger?  Or your favorite restaurant that doesn't sell alcohol?<br>
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Me, either.
        
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      <![CDATA[5-2-609. Use of physical force in defense of property.<br>
A person is justified in using nondeadly physical force upon another person when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes the use of nondeadly physical force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's:<br>
(1)  Commission or attempted commission of theft or criminal mischief; or<br>
(2)  Subsequent flight from the commission or attempted commission of theft or criminal mischief.<br>
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5-2-607. Use of deadly physical force in defense of a person.<br>
(a)  A person is justified in using deadly physical force upon another person if the person reasonably believes that the other person is:<br>
(1)  Committing or about to commit a felony involving force or violence;<br>
(2)  Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force; or<br>
(3)  Imminently endangering the person's life or imminently about to victimize the person as described in § 9-15-103 from the continuation of a pattern of domestic abuse.<br>
(b)  A person may not use deadly physical force in self-defense if the person knows that he or she can avoid the necessity of using deadly physical force with complete safety:<br>
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(A)  By retreating.<br>
(B)  However, a person is not required to retreat if the person is:<br>
(i)  In the person's dwelling or on the curtilage surrounding the person's dwelling and was not the original aggressor; or<br>
(ii)  A law enforcement officer or a person assisting at the direction of a law enforcement officer; or<br>
(2)  By surrendering possession of property to a person claiming a lawful right to possession of the property.<br>
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The person who fired shots at a fleeing car should be charged.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'd like to think a doctor would have gone to help the person who had been injured, rather than trying to cause more injuries.
        
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      <![CDATA[This trigger happy idiot should have his permit cancelled.  IIRC, CCW classes state you should only use a weapon when you, your family or your property are in danger.  Shooting at bank robbers who haven't even looked at you like townspeople in a western is not encouraged by CCW classes.  IF I were the owner of that car, he would be facing a hefty repair bill, he would also be sued for the diminished value of my car.  Would YOU want a used car with bullet holes in it or would you offer less than the current market value for it based on the repair history?
        
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      <![CDATA[We can expect "castle defense" legislation next session. In this case, the castle is a bank and the shooter's actions will be justified by the Repubs. Which reminds me of a Mojo Nixon (w/ Skid Roper) song, " I Hate Banks."<br>
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It goes like this:<br>
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I hate banks<br>
Just can't stand 'em<br>
Give me a shovel<br>
and man, I'll plant 'em.<br>
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Six feet under's where they belong.<br>
I hate banks is the name of this song.
        
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      <![CDATA[SAA, I just finished watching Stewart and was going to say what you said.<br>
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Stewart chewed up the Huckster like he was a nail and then spit out rust. <br>
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It is no small feat for a man of Huckabee's girth to twist himself into a pretzel trying to explain away what is obvious to anyone with a brain.
        
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      <![CDATA[Is it not illegal to shoot when not being physically threatened? Actual question BTW.
        
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      <![CDATA[Stewart bitchslapped the lying huckabee all over the studio last night.  lured him on the show to talk about stupid book, then asked him why he says if you dont vote right, you are going to hell. played his Fire commercial to him
        
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      <![CDATA[While I am not going to jump on the punish the shooter bandwagon with so little information available... I mean if a fellow citizen can't help at the scene of a bank robbery... then WTF! And I do hope fellow citizens figure out and act accordingly (with criminal prosecutions and long prison sentences, not shootings) someday soon... that the biggest bank robbers are usually in the executive office of the bank each and every day.<br>
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      <![CDATA[You're right, of course, Miranda.  I should've said "...son of a snake with loose morals..."
        
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      <![CDATA[Max, you gotta get a Stewart video up with his take on the seemingly literal clusterf**ck at Langley. In spite of radcen wanting to tie this to the Clintons, there didn't seem to be much action coming out of Foggy Bottom. Lots of laugh out loud moments.<br>
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      <![CDATA[Wouldn't it be a little difficult to conceal a weapon in medical scrubs?
        
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