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      <![CDATA[Thanks to Kurt and RB for their excellent explanations.  I always thought the Lakeview case had too many lawyers involved to lead to good law.  The more lawyers you have involved, the more you can mess up a legal matter.  (I'm a lawyer, so I ought to be able to say this.)  I also thought that it was wrong for the Court in Lake View to fabricate words such as "adequate" and "equitable"  to establish constitutional standards, when I believe the Constitution simply says that the state shall establish a "suitable" educational system.  It's easy to see the difference.
        
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      <![CDATA[Gov. Beebe's brief is correct about the background of Amendment 74:  Its whole purpose was to make the first 25 mills of school tax (URT) a STATE millage for schools that COULD be redistributed among districts if needed to make school funding "equitable" (the so-called "Robin Hood" concept); anything approved by local voters above the URT stays in the district and does NOT count towards "equity".  The whole point of URT initially going to the state was so the state could monitor & withhold any excess funds.<br>
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However, I can see the majority's reasoning for these reasons:  (a) Amendment 74 was drafted in response to the initial lower-court ruling in Lake View, based on the 1983 Dupree ruling's "equity" requirement, but BEFORE the Supreme Court's later Lake View rulings that added the concept of "adequacy".  (Neither "equitable" nor "adequate" appears in the Constitution; the court used "equitable" in Dupree, and "adequate" in Lake View, to describe the school-funding requirements imposed by two different constitutional provisions.)  (b) When Amendment 74 was drafted, it was assumed that "Robin Hood" alone would meet the "equitable" requirement; but the Lake View "adequate" number proved to be so much higher than expected that only a handful of districts met it on URT alone.  (The legislature that implemented Lake View also asked voters for an increase in URT, as permitted by Amendment 74; the voters rejected it.)  (c) While Amendment 74 itself still permits "Robin Hood" as to the URT, it left the specific mechanism to the legislature; the underlying statutes are unclear as to whether or not it's required.  (d) The court essentially ruled that since school funding is now "adequate" under Lake View it is also "equitable" under Dupree as modified by Amendment 74; in that case "Robin Hood" on URT is neither required by the Constitution nor (in their view) permitted by law, so the districts can keep their excess URT.  Most of us here would disagree (the court did get Amendment 74 wrong as Gov. Beebe points out), but I doubt the majority will change its mind.<br>
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Bottom line:  Though technically the districts won, I believe the court's intent was for the legislature to fix the situation by adding an express "Robin Hood" rule to the statute, i.e., excess URT will be withheld by the state and redistributed to poorer districts so as to reduce the general revenue needed to meet the "adequate" target.  That will probably be made clearer in a supplemental opinion denying the motion.
        
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      <![CDATA[We could have the AR legislature create one (1) state-wide school district with the existing superintendents becoming assistant superintendents.  That would equalize the money in a real big way.  As it is now, some districts pay their football coaches $100,000 a year, have artifical grass fields and brick stadia while others have a semi-level field with standing room only.  The available money differential across the state from the northwest corner to the southeast corner is so severe that, if the state doesn't do something, you will continue to have districts where they get only new teachers ready to more on (pension is based on 3 highest paid years) and facilities where rainy days allow students and teachers to practice their broken-field running and walking around buckets in teh halls to districts where the starting pay is 50% above the state minimum.  <br>
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I worked in a school where, when you removed the wet ceiling tile, you could look up and see sky. I checked a library book that said that one day man would walk on the moon twenty years after the fact (Ithrew it away). I live in a district where the right fielder couldn't see the batter because of the drop-off of the ground.  There is a difference between the educational ability of a district where one parent works and the other is available to one where both parents work to scratch out a living.  The small districts can't solve this differential-it will take the state or a law suit like the state has spent millions on over the years.
        
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      <![CDATA[I really wish people would read the entire amendment, ruling, and state law in question before making arguments about. If it's important enough to spend time arguing about, it's important enough to read.  It took me about 30 minutes which is less time than some are spending arguing about it.<br>
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The Arkansas Supreme Court did not rule that a law granting the state the authority to take excess funding from the the 25 mil minimum property tax was unconstitutional.   The court ruled that no such law exists.  The amendment gives the state authority by law, but the authority was left out of the legislation. <br>
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The state law that everyone thought gave the state authority to keep excess funds from the local 25 mil minimum property tax doesn't.  The law refers to a section of the law that should have given that authority, but apparently the authority was accidentally left out.  If the state legislature fails to correct the law to give itself the necessary authority, and if it refused to find alternate funding to meet foundation funding, then it would be choosing to violate the Lakeview ruling.  <br>
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The recent SC ruling does not undo the Lakeview case as some are claiming, because the state can fund the foundation funding from other sources until new legislation is passed.  I repeat. The ruling does not prevent the state from giving some districts more funding than others.  It also does not prevent the state from passing a law to allow it to redistribute local tax revenue to other schools.  <br>
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Also, neither the state constitution nor the Lakeview ruling requires equal funding (I wish it did).  It requires the state to make sure that all schools have enough funding to provide an adequate education to each student.  Ironically, that actually requires more spending on some students than others.<br>
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The constitutional amendment did not create a state property tax.  Instead, it required a 25 mil minimum to be levied locally. The only reason the state tried to argue it was a state property tax is so the money would already be state revenue.  That would make the law the state thought it had passed but didn't unnecessary. Everyone thought state law gave the state the required authority to demand the excess from the local 25 mil minimum property tax, but that authority was left out of the legislation. The court ruling stated that the state could pass such a law, but it failed to do so.  Now the state has to correct the oversight in January. <br>
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And to those afraid the new legislature wouldn't pass a correction to the law, I point out that the same legislature with a simple majority could undo all laws related to foundation funding, if it wanted.  Surely we still have enough reasonable Democrats and Republicans in the legislature to fix the legislation.  If not, then something else will have to be done or the state will be sued again.
        
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      <![CDATA[Your operative words, plainjim, are "right now".  A rehearing may well produce a far different "right now" interpretation of the law, just as they have twice new in essentially opposite rulings.<br>
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And incidentally, it matters little what the state or federal constitution says.  Ask the Supremes (you know, Scalia and the Gang of Four) who stand the U.S. Constitution on its head every court session.
        
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      <![CDATA[I guess, PV, that is for the Arkansas Supreme Court to determine, and right now the justices have determined that I am right and you are wrong.
        
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      <![CDATA[Plainjim, don't try to create a smokescreen for your error by changing the subject. Whether the word "adequate" does or doesn't appear in the constitution has no bearing on whether Amendment 74's 25 mill tax is state or local, or whether education is a state or local responsibility. This state property tax is like sales tax; there's state and local sales tax, and state and local property tax. <br>
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      <![CDATA[PV, find me the word "equitable" in the state Constitution in regard to school financing.  The ad valorem tax, by definition, is a local tax. There is no state tax on real estate.  The tax is approved and levied by local school districts. There are state taxes on income, on sales, and on other things, but not on real estate.  Once again, the latest decision is the correct decision; now it is up to the legislature to find some other source of funding to maintain equity in public school financing, because the state Constitution does not require it.  All it requires is adequate financing.  How adequate got twisted into equitable is a story of slick lawyering.
        
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      <![CDATA[Plainjim is plain wrong. Article 14 of the state constitutions says the STATE shall maintain a system of free public schools. Not communities or school districts. And the 25 mill school tax was approved by state voters, it's in the state constitution. Local districts have no choice, they can't repeal it. And you call that a local tax? What a stretch.
        
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      <![CDATA[Everyone on this Blog seems to miss the essential point that, under our Constitution, school financing is supposed to be a local matter.  The Supreme Court "stretched" the Constitution when it read into it a mandate for equity in school funding, leading to the legislature adopting the mandatory 25 mills law.  The Supreme Court was not willing to stretch it farther  in the recent case by ruling that if your 25 mills bring in more than some Delta  district's 25 mills, you have to give that excess to the state. I think that the current decision is the proper one, and that Lakeview, which has been highly praised here, was an error.  I am all in favor of equity, but I do not think that our Constitution allows you to do it with the local ad valorem school tax.  It was a "legal fiction" when this tax was characterized as a "state tax."  The latest decision correctly pointed  that out.
        
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      <![CDATA[Senator Inouye (D-HI) has passed, his last word was "Aloha" -<br>
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      <![CDATA[If Beebe can shed some light on this we will all appreciate it.
        
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