http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/12/18/guns-the-discussion-continues Comments On: Guns — the discussion continues by Max Brantley en-us Copyright 2013 Arkansas Times. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Arkansas Times readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Arkansas Times. robert@arktimes.com (Arkansas Times Webmaster) Fri, 24 May 2013 00:00:01 -0500 Fri, 24 May 2013 10:15:00 -0500 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
Horse-hockey, Cimarron! You need to check-up on your researcher. Olin, owner of Winchester paid ,80/share in dividends this year with an EPS of 1.65/share. Most of the others are private and do not publish their profits since there are no share holders
Sig Sauer Inc, Taurus International Manufacturing, Inc, Browning Arms Company, Springfield, Inc, Fabbrica D'Armi Pietro Beretta S.p.A, Heckler & Koch Inc, American Derringer Corporation, Glock GmbH, Para USA, Inc, Savage Arms, Inc, and Colt Defense LLC. Perhaps, your researcher will give us a list of this plethora of lawsuits against the gunmakers you so glibly tossed into your comment?

I am to you "a liberal," to a liberal a moderate. I do "flock" to this site to read the comment of concerned and often acerbic Arkansans and others. I too am not promoting restricting constitutional rights of myself or my neighbors. I believe they should have the right to keep and bear all Arms, but as part of a ". . . well regulated Militia, . . . necessary to the security of a free State. . . ."

I do not think regulation of full automatic firearms or semi-automatic firearms or concealable weapons (automatic pistols or revolvers)with the capacity of over five shots without reloading is an infringement of that right regardless of the overreach error of District of Columbia v. Heller.

Nor do I think, as you evidently do, that video games and movies are signficant contributors to the act that this last demented young man committed. That is similar to the claims that Rock and Roll music would ruin the youth of our country, or Punk or Rap or whatever is the newest youth fad . Nor do I think gay marriage is endangering the nuclear family nor family values. I find the numerous divorces and affairs of people bleating about gay marriage and DOMA done much more to destroy the institutions

P.S. I personally own and use five firearms, although I've never found the need for a fully automatic one or even a semiautomatic and never have needed a concealed firearm and my largest magazine holds only twenty cartridges (.22LR). But then I am just one of those "flocking," deluded, liberal Vietnam veterans . . . n'est-ce pas?
Posted by dottholliday]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:50:14 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Cimarron]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:10:49 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Vanessa]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:18:14 -0600 Arkansas Times
I am liberal, I "flock" to this site and I don't wish to restrict Constitutionally protected rights.

Some, or even a bunch do, but not all.


Posted by Citizen1]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:06:11 -0600 Arkansas Times
In the name of security, the First Amendment has been shredded into a meaningless collection of words, but somehow the 2nd Amendment is sacrosanct.

NRA sycophants believe that the 2nd Amendment trumps everything else, because that's how the gun industry has indoctrinated them. Dead children are merely incidental side-effects of their profit-taking. You're fond of wrapping yourself in the flag ... but it becomes a funeral shroud for everyone else.

There should be pickets outside of Remington in Lonoke and every gun shop and gun show and every NRA meeting in Arkansas with mock graves to remind them that people are not disposable clay pigeons.
Posted by YossarianMinderbinder]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:05:52 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Cimarron]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:34:58 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-michael…

So, go fix that.
Posted by imjustsaying]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:27:20 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/18/…
Posted by NeverVoteRepublican]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:22:17 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://thismodernworld.com/archives/7617
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:12:13 -0600 Arkansas Times
However, in our future I predict an incident, similar to the above description, will spark a general exchange of gunfire and God help the innocent bystander caught in the crossfire. That will cause a more general move to control the number of weapons floating around in the general populace. Unfortunately by then, just as now, everyone will find that the Genie of too many assault and concealable firearms already in circulation thanks to NRA and gun nuts can not be successfully returned to the bottle. Nor will the possession of a CCP and weapon contribute to safety, thereafter, but ensure a higher probability of being shot by the "bad guys", CCP holders and/or peace officers. Soon all the shooters, except the bad guys, will suffer from the need for a scorecard to identify friend and foe.

However, take heart. The NRA and gun nuts will still have their cherished 2nd amendment rights and be in the front of the firing/target line with their handguns to repel the next invasion by Red Coats or Reds.
Posted by dottholliday]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:52:25 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jim-…
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:44:35 -0600 Arkansas Times
eLwood, Scalia would approve a briefcase-sized nuclear weapon. Now if we could get him to make the gun nuts mad, it could be interesting.

I don't see how anyone as intelligent as he is supposed to be can misinterpret the word "militia". It has a definition and everything. But then again, he goes back to what he thinks the Founders would have done IF THEY THOUGHT LIKE HIM (and were just as insane).
Posted by couldn't be better]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:44:03 -0600 Arkansas Times >Tim F at BJ on how the Overton Window has moved regarding what weapons are acceptable in a civil society,

Goes nowhere. Justice Scalia is still reviewing and thinking if he can find a way to make shoulder or hand-launched missiles legal for all Second Amendment purposes, there may be limitations on modern weapons...but "keep and bear" means what it says according to Scalia, if you can carry it around on your person, hey, what's the problem.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012/07/29/video-justice-scalia-suggests-hand-held-rocket-launchers-protected-under-second-amendment/
Posted by eLwood]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:06:57 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by HardHeadedWoman]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:10:14 -0600 Arkansas Times

“Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe.”
H. G. Wells
Posted by Zatharus]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:50:12 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/12/18/ha…
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:27:16 -0600 Arkansas Times
My "certain' issue here is violence. He is an terribly violent human being... in the very manner which I am suggesting limiting the big discussion to only guns enables.

He should be in the Hague. He should be among the top poster children of violent American human beings among leadership circles... if you want to present something he says you should always mention who he is and what he has wrought.
Posted by Eureka Springs]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:40:58 -0600 Arkansas Times
Keep enjoying your little purity party. There is a reason why it is little.
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:31:31 -0600 Arkansas Times
Cass Sunstein is what many used to call a war pig. You might as well look for quotes from Jeffrey Dalmer and try to present him as reasonable... only Sunstein is worse because of his position.
Posted by Eureka Springs]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:18:26 -0600 Arkansas Times http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/…

I had never made this connection before, but after reading this it is, like duh, as the kids say.

And then there is the weapons industry and profit. Some of that profit is being dumped this morning, which is a good thing. There are (at least) three sides in the war on drugs and two of them - law enforcement and (for lack of a better description) the drug cartel - have been a major source of profit for the weapons industry. The weapons industry directly supports violence. No, not all of the profit is based on violence but that does not change the reality that the weapons industry supports violence.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/wal…
Posted by Vanessa]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:14:56 -0600 Arkansas Times
The problem with compromising on seemingly "reasonable" proposition such as the ones Max suggests is that I recall times like the beginning of anti smoking... first they warned you, then it was, mild or lite cigarettes... now it's often the case you can't smoke with a drink in a bar or find a damn smoking section, or even smoke outdoors on a sidewalk, a park or a zoo - not even a distant dedicated outdoor section. Or like recent debates on health... where more insurance is considered reasonable... but in fact insurance is the antithesis of care.

I know folk like Max would rather massively restrict guns far beyond the "reasonable" areas he proposes here... so as one who disagrees with where neoliberals want to go (penalize the overwhelming number of millions of excellent gun owners) while utterly ignoring the Government armed beast, the very top murderous thugs in our leadership.... i'm not prepared to accept the slippery eventuality into unreasonable territory. But I am still listening...)

We are a nation founded in violence and genocide. We've never stopped.... long ago expanded that globally. We need a hard long look at ourselves, violence as a whole... and like the health debacle... we need to learn from many other societies who are far, far better than us. Yes, even on the limited specifics of guns.
Posted by Eureka Springs]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:55:49 -0600 Arkansas Times
And, "More important still, the Supreme Court has proceeded cautiously, and it has pointedly refused to shut the door to all gun regulation. On the contrary, the court said, “Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-17/g…

"some years ago most gun owners would take careful steps back from anyone who said they need a tactical rifle, flash suppressor and thirty round clip."---Tim F at BJ on how the Overton Window has moved regarding what weapons are acceptable in a civil society, even to gun owners.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/12/18/ca…
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:52:40 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/w…

So a manufacturing ban won't be so effective in the future.
Posted by radical centrist]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:15:35 -0600 Arkansas Times
In truth, the only way to disarm many of them will be to pry that AR-15 or AK they've converted to full-auto out of their cold dead hands.

See: Dead cops in West Memphis. Those killers are who we are talking about here.
Posted by I_AM_THE_NRA]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:57:35 -0600 Arkansas Times
Thanks for that link. I skimmed it quickly and she makes a lot of sense.

I worry about the effect this focus on mental health will have on some members of our society. God knows we need to step up to the plate and make access to treatment easier and affordable.

BUT, the American tendency to use a broad brush to paint everyone who is "different" is worrisome. Some people just step to a different drummer. It doesn't mean they are "crazy"; it doesn't mean they are going to snap and shoot up a school.
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:54:52 -0600 Arkansas Times