http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/01/28/spread-em-ladies-rapert-toughens-anti-abortion-bill Comments On: Spread 'em, ladies: Rapert toughens anti-abortion bill by Max Brantley en-us Copyright 2013 Arkansas Times. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Arkansas Times readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Arkansas Times. robert@arktimes.com (Arkansas Times Webmaster) Mon, 20 May 2013 00:00:01 -0500 Mon, 20 May 2013 08:45:00 -0500 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
That doesn't mean we all support stiff penalties for abortion. What it does mean is that you are willing to throw women in jail for getting abortions, and throw doctors in jail for performing them.

This legislation is unconstitutional because it violates Roe v Wade and it violates a woman's right to her own body.

Furthermore, it seems hypocritical for a former pastor of a religion that espouses "turning the other cheek" and "let those without sin...." to be urging just the opposite. We already have prisons bursting with inmates because of self-righteous fundamentalists who want stiffer laws for just about everything they can think of. Our country already contains 25% of the world's convicts. How many more Arkansans do you want to turn into criminals for the sake of your religion?
Posted by Brad Bailey]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 00:21:32 -0600 Arkansas Times
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Posted by Lucy Sadana]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:20:20 -0600 Arkansas Times 2. We must be consistent in our laws and an abortion is a homicide or a taking of an innocent human life.
3. Currently there are many legal terms applied to each level of homicide and I am not a lawyer that is capable of determining which level each abortion should fall under but I will say that the third trimester should be considered for the death penalty (of course there are some medical exceptions).

Let me explain some. People now get the death penalty in some cases for purposely killing an unborn baby in acts of violence. In 28 states there are laws on the books that place fetal death under homicide statutes and this is the case in the liberal state of California too. Some other states say that pregnant women involved in drug use can be prosecuted on child endangerment charges.

We have to keep the main issue before us and that is we all support stiff punishments for homicide and we do need want those prosecuted that take innocent human lives and now we must look at the unborn child and decide if he or she are human. ISN’T THAT KEY ISSUE? Once we determine when in the 9 month period to provide legal protection then we should determine what punishments the doctors should face.

IF I WAS A LAWYER THEN I COULD ANSWER MORE FULLY. I am not against birth control.
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:31:28 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Brad Bailey]]> Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:42:39 -0600 Arkansas Times
LET ME ASK YOU AN EASY QUESTION: Earlier you stated, "And no, I don't consider a fetus a human being, much less an American citizen with all the rights and responsibilities that title implies, until it's able to survive entirely on its own outside the womb, which is usually in the third trimester," therefore, would you want the law to reflect what you just said or not? Currently late term abortions are permitted. (Many times the lady claims she had been raped.)
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:41:43 -0600 Arkansas Times
Is there a point to your rather long-winded post?
Posted by Brad Bailey]]> Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:30:17 -0600 Arkansas Times So YES, I think Roe v Wade got it right. Try thinking for yourself for a change... it's still that person's CHOICE to do so, because it is HIS body."

Is this debate really about the woman’s body? Does the woman even have the same blood type as the unborn baby? Or is this about a life being snuffed out? Take a look at this moving story that Arkansas abortionist Dr. William Harrison told below about the lady that will soon “finish her doctorate at the University of California at San Francisco.”

I used to write letters to the editor a whole lot back in the 1990′s. I am pro-life and many times my letters would discuss current political debates, and I got to know several names of people that would often write in response letters to my published letters. One of those individuals was a Dr. William F. Harrison from Fayetteville. Later I found out from reading an article by David Sanders that Dr. Harrison was an abortionist. Dr Harrison died from leukemia on September 24, 2010. Here is a post from Jason Tolbert from July of 2010:

KFSM in Fayetteville is reporting that abortist William Harrison is closing the doors to his abortion clinic in nothwest Arkansas for health reasons. In an ABC News story a few year ago, Harrison said he had performed over 10,000 abortions and was comfortable with the taking of life.

I now write a column for Stephen Media in a spot once held by conservative David J. Sanders who is currently running for the Arkansas House of Representatives. Sanders shadowed Harrison in his abortion clinic and wrote of series of columns on the experience. I think these are prehaps Sanders’ best work…

Harrison is sure that what he does is right, but he confessed to the enormous costs that come in his line of work. There were threats against his wife and children and staff. He commented that if he “had known” everything – the threats, the risks – that would take place over the years, he might not have decided to provide abortions.

Some years ago, a 16-year-old daughter of a close friend of the family had gotten pregnant. “Their Baptist minister had advised her parents that she shouldn’t have an abortion and that (if she did) she would regret it the rest of her life. But had I had the choice, at the time, I would have advised (the mother of the teenager) to have that child aborted,” he said as he stared at his desktop.

“Well, she had her baby. She’s as smart as a whip,” he said. Now, years later, that baby is grown and about to finish her doctorate at the University of California at San Francisco.

I asked him if that sent chills up his spine. His response: “Absolutely.”

http://thedailyhatch.org/2013/01/30/open-l…
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Wed, 30 Jan 2013 08:06:45 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/…

In other words, most of the redneck right here in Arkansas live in the bubble of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

Another study showed that low-effort thought promotes political conservatism:

http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/…

In other words, most Arkansas good ol' boy Republicans are either too lazy or incapable of thinking for themselves, and have to rely on others to do their thinking for them.
Posted by Brad Bailey]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:26:48 -0600 Arkansas Times
A country in which its citizens are only allowed to make the right choices is NOT a free country. Nowhere could this be more evident than in the 40-year-long cat-and-mouse game called the war on drugs. We've spent over a trillion dollars pursuing this idiocy, filling prisons and lining the pockets of state law enforcement agencies thanks to asset forfeiture laws.

If an adult wants to do drugs and is not harming anyone else, he or she should have that choice. It's not a wise choice, but it's their bodies, not yours, mine or anybody else's.

And no, I don't consider a fetus a human being, much less an American citizen with all the rights and responsibilities that title implies, until it's able to survive entirely on its own outside the womb, which is usually in the third trimester.

So YES, I think Roe v Wade got it right.

Try thinking for yourself for a change.

Arkhawg:

Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Regardless of who pays for a person's healthcare, it's still that person's CHOICE to do so, because it is HIS body.
Posted by Brad Bailey]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:04:54 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:11:51 -0600 Arkansas Times
You are totally misreading what I wrote, Saline. I was disputing what Rapert said defines life. Plenty of people with beating hearts are taken off life-support everyday because they don't have brain function except for the brain stem.

And you still have not answered the question of what you think the criminal charge should be for the doctor and patient for, as you put it, "taking a human life".
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:11:11 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by arhogfan501]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:38:41 -0600 Arkansas Times ________
That is a crazy statement. The government does pass laws to say what you can do with your own body. Is crack, meth, etc legal? There are many other examples too.

The central question is when an unborn child deserves the legal protection from our government. Framing the question as a choice issue is exactly what the slave owners did in the USA in the 1800's. They wanted the government to stay out of their private lives just like Barry Goldwater did as you mentioned above concerning abortion.

Outlier says that the unborn child must have brain function, but that means that the last 3 months are off the table and it could be argued that the last 4 1/2 months are off the table. Dr. C. Everett Koop saved some babies that were born that early back in the late 1970's.

Partial Birth Abortion is really infanticide in my view since the child is not in the womb and is actually 85% out of the mother when it takes place.

Bill Clinton fought hard to keep Partial Birth Abortion legal, but it just is not morally right.

“Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law? They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.” (Psalm 94:20-21)

While discussing this passage above Adrian Rogers commented:

Somebody may say, “What if it is legal?” Just because it is legal doesn’t make it right. When Supreme Court justices degree that little preborn babies are no longer individuals then what they have done is “frame mischief by a law” and that is an abomination to God. I think is so clearly and graphically illustrated now by this thing of partial birth abortion. You hate to describe it, but they take a little baby in the birth chanel and the doctor arranges for a breach birth so the little feet will come out first and the hips and the chest and the arms and the baby is all born except for the head and then the doctor takes a pair of sharp sissors and then inserts those sissors at the base of the skull and then he takes a tube and sucks the brains out of that little child.

Somebody says it is legal. Friend learn this: EVERYTHING THAT IS LEGAL IS NOT RIGHT.
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:24:16 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Vanessa]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:49:24 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Infamous Amos]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:19:50 -0600 Arkansas Times
And yet that's what the Repubs want the govt. to do. Sodomy laws, anti-drug laws, abortion laws, euthanasia laws, et al.-- ALL were and are enacted by the religious fascists of the Republican Party.

They're all for less government as long as they can keep their god's hand in your pants.

Even Barry Goldwater, the god of the paleoconservatives, recognized this basic human right. He didn't like Roe v Wade, not becaue of some moral objection, but because he felt that abortion was a natural right and that the government had no business addressing it.

He also despised Jerry Falwell and wanted to coldcock his ass. He despised the Moral Majority and rightly predicted their negative consequences on the conservative movement, the Republican Party and upon our country.

Our bodies are just that-- OUR bodies. NOT the government's.
Posted by Brad Bailey]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:06:24 -0600 Arkansas Times
Presence of a heart beat is not the standard for determining if "life" is present. Brain function is the standard.
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 09:16:22 -0600 Arkansas Times
Adrian Rogers former pastor of Bellevue Baptist was my pastor while I was growing up in Memphis. He noted:


I was in Washington D.C. testifying before a Senate Committee on the subject of abortion, and I told Senator Orrin Hatch what I felt the Bible had to say about this matter. When I went out of that room, a woman met me in that hall. She put her hands on her hips and looked in my eyes. She was a lawyer. She said, "Mr. Rogers, I want to tell you something. You don't understand what it is like for a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy. You don't understand that trauma."

I said, "Let me get you straight lady. What you are saying is this. If someone causes you trauma then you have the right to eliminate them." I said, "Because you causing me trauma right now. Suppose I were to put both of my thumbs in your windpipe and began to throttle you? At least you could scream. At least you could run. At least you could cry for help."

She backed away and I am sure she went somewhere and said that Baptist preacher threatened to throttle me, but you see these little ones, these babies in the womb can not speak for themselves and it is the king who must speak for them.

“Open thy mouth for the dumb [unable to speak] in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.” (Proverbs 31:8-9)


http://thedailyhatch.org/2013/01/29/what-a…
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:48:07 -0600 Arkansas Times
I think Rapert and his minions probably get a stiffy thinking about transvaginal probes.

And I can see in my mind's eye a picture of a rapist that would make Saline hie his daughter off to the abortionist if she had the misfortune of being impregnated by him.
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:21:34 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:12:05 -0600 Arkansas Times
I do tackle the tough subject and will ask tough questions too. Here's two for you: Will you apologize for calling me 'pro-rape"? Why should the child pay with its life because its father is a rapist?
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:04:12 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by arhogfan501]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:51:41 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Jake da Snake]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:48:07 -0600 Arkansas Times
I'll bite again though. You ask, "Which one of my words do you think is not correct?" My choices are eliminate, innocent, human being, or defenseless.

A fetus is not a human being. Is it human when it is just a cluster of cells? Is it human when it looks like a worm? Is it human when it has gills?

I would argue with your belief about innocence as well, since xtianists believe humans are marked by original sin---a tendency toward depravity and evil passed on to them from Adam. According to your theology, Saline, puppies and other animals are innocent, but not the human animal. The other creatures we share the planet with are more blessed than you are, Saline---they never fell from Eden.
Posted by the outlier]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:40:32 -0600 Arkansas Times
Let me ask you, "Why do you think it's OK to eliminate an innocent human being just because it's in the way and is defenseless?" Which one of my words do you think is not correct? (eliminate, innocent, human being, or defenseless). I noticed that IrradiatedFuelHandler calls the unborn child a "parasite." Perhaps you would prefer that term instead of mine?
Posted by SalineRepublican]]> Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:13:55 -0600 Arkansas Times