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      <![CDATA[If the pay off is so good....why doesn't ATRS kick in the whole 300 million?
        
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      <![CDATA[I just saw an ad with Rachel Maddow standing in front of a bunch of windmills, talking about how great wind energy is, and she says we need policies to get power transmission from the source to the consumers.<br>
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In other words, Arkansas should designate Clean Line Energy as a "utility", and give them eminent domain powers to take wide swathes of private property, even though they have have no customers in Arkansas so far.  The number of jobs and source materials to compensate for the intrusion is pitiful.  They haven't committed to buying their windmill blades from Arkansas.  For some reason, some county judges are endorsing this plan, although it will be detrimental to local property owners in their county.<br>
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So Maddow has become a common utility stooge.
        
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      <![CDATA[Gee, makes you wonder why they are selling equity positions at a 30% discount.
        
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      <![CDATA[I do not plan to get into responding to each and every comment. I was told to expect other steel producers to begin to spend big dollars to attempt to kill an Amendment 82 approval by the General Assembly. As to the failures of the management team, here is the story on the management team on mini-steel mills like to one here:<br>
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 Over the course of the past twenty five years, the management team has built or expanded fifteen mini mills (six of them are similar to Big River Steel) and all have been profitable.  Let me repeat, ALL have been profitable.  A 20% equity position that is "pari passu" with world class industrial investors. A $60 million dollar investment gives ATRS a 20% stake in a $425 million dollar investment  after the Amendment 82 incentives are added. This means that ATRS will pay $60 million dollars for an $85 million dollar position. That is  essentially buying the investment at a 30% discount. ATRS has no investment manager here, like in most investments, to pay either fees or carried interest. <br>
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Now let me say a few things about this mill:<br>
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The mill will make high end products for which demand is increasing and supply is still scarce, targeting the niche markets:<br>
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1.   energy (oil and gas drilling and transmission)<br>
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2.   power (electricity generation, transmission and consumption)<br>
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3.    automotive (light-weight high-strength steels)<br>
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Big River Steel will be the only mini mill in the US capable of producing certain grades of steel while also being the producer of the widest and thickest steel slabs.It will be able to produce a full range of motor lamination steel and in planned phase two expansion will produce both grain and non-grain oriented electrical steel.  The mill will have the capability of making Advanced High Strength Steel (AHSS).  This capability becomes essential in the steel industry as vehicle manufactures have become increasingly interested in improving the fuel efficiency and environmental friendliness of their vehicles. AHSS steel being, as the name suggests, very strong and lightweight, will likely become a much larger percentage of future vehicles. <br>
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The Mississippi County site is almost perfect for material  and supplies at a low delivery cost and for deliver of the finished products. The site also has the needed electrical and gas capacity at the site without the massive cost to delivery these needed for many otherwise good locations such as building transmission lines to the plant. I could go with the benefits but will stop here.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Durango]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[“All four communities have succumbed to empty promises by Correnti . . . local officials . . . secured millions of dollars of infrastructure improvements and tax incentives. And then when it came Correnti's time to ante up, all four ended up alone at the altar like a jilted bride.” ~ The Dispatch<br>
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And nobody hurts more than a jilted bride. Unless it might be a jilted groom. <br>
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In the case of the proposed Big River plant at Osceola, it was somewhat comforting to see these lines in this morning’s ArkD-G:<br>
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“The state will not sell the bonds until private equity from the investors in the mill is first deposited into an escrow account, said Grant Tennille, executive director for the Arkansas Economic Development Commission. ‘We won’t spend a dollar of Arkansas taxpayer money until they’ve put $250 million in the ground,’ Tennille said.” <br>
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With regard to George Hopkins and the 40% return from Big River, I’d just have to say, WOW! And that I’d like to get in on that act. Maybe Hopkins knows of what he speaks. Maybe not. For sure, he’s studied and pondered it; the rest of us haven’t. <br>
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Whatever, the ATRS’s value increased by $421 million to $11.774 billion in the quarter ended Sept. 30, last I read. For the year that ended Sept. 30, the system’s investment return was 16%. Not bad. Not bad, atall.<br>
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Still, if memory serves, Hopkins plans to ask the Legislature to increase to 15% (up from 14%) the rate ATRS charges school districts and other system employers. That would yield about $28 million a year. Those additional dollars would help keep teachers from having to increase their own contribution as well as avoid cuts in retirement benefits. <br>
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Or at least, that’s th’ spin.
        
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      <![CDATA[Getting screwed by a steel mill. Sounds painful, doesn't it?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[eLwood]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[-refund on sales tax for materials and machinery<br>
-a 4 percent income tax credit on new payroll for five years; <br>
-$10 million for job training; <br>
-extended income tax credit (14 years instead of three) for recycling equipment, <br>
-sales tax exemption on utilities.<br>
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Are we leaving out free weekly massages for management? I mean, c'mon boys, those fellows have stressful jobs.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[couldn't be better]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[If the return is so great, why couldn't the steel mill get a bank to lend them the money?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Mean Gene]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Breaking News! <br>
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Investor talks smack.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Eureka Springs]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[And why can't the taxpayers of AR set-up and expect the same returns... hell we are spending triple the amount of teachers hedge funds.... and all we get is a bond reaming.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Sound Policy]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[eLwood has hit the nail on its head.  If George Hopkins really believes there are mainstream investments that pay 40%, he is unqualified to hold the job he has.  What pure poppycock!<br>
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How about gold or silver or penny stocks, George?  The teachers retirement system will make millions!
        
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      <![CDATA[>>More to come on this. George Hopkins, director of the System, tells me in a brief phone call that the system expects a 40 percent return on its investment after a 3.5-year startup period.<br>
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Did you think to ask Mr Hopkins about any other investment by the ATRS which has produced a 40% ROI in the past 20 years? ROI is measured annually. <br>
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When something sounds too good to be true it usually is.
        
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