http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/01/31/house-committee-considers-20-week-limit-on-abortion Comments On: Anti-abortion votes rule Arkansas legislature by Max Brantley en-us Copyright 2013 Arkansas Times. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Arkansas Times readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Arkansas Times. robert@arktimes.com (Arkansas Times Webmaster) Sun, 19 May 2013 00:00:01 -0500 Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:00 -0500 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
Any woman whose doctor has told her that her fetus is hopelessly deformed and/or brain-damaged, and then is convinced NOT to abort upon arrival at the clinic thanks to the state's unreasonable barriers and mandated propaganda, then the STATE will be responsible for paying for the resulting child's care--ALL OF IT--for the rest of that child's life, REGARDLESS OF EXPENSE.

If I were a Dem legislator, I would propose such an amendment on the floor and then demand a record—not voice—vote on it. In fact, I would stand up on the floor and DARE them to vote such an amendment down. Make them put their money where their mouths are. This would put the Repugs in an embarrassing, awkward position by exposing their hypocrisy when they vote to table the amendment due to its potential and unknown fiscal costs.

Surely I'm not the first to come up with this idea. Why don’t any Dems in the legislature have the balls/ovaries to do this?
Posted by Christopher Diaz]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 09:35:50 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by LinCo_Progressive]]> Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:43:27 -0600 Arkansas Times
The government needs to stay out of something that is not the business of anyone but the woman and her doctor. Jackie, thank you for sharing your experience. It not a choice made easily and is often out of medical necessity. I hope Governor Beebe will veto any bill that makes it to his desk.
Posted by NeverVoteRepublican]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:26:34 -0600 Arkansas Times Then we had hope. months went by and I went in for my high risk evaluation and the nurse says "It is a Boy!! congratulations!- I need to take these results to the doctor and then he will see you." 3 people enter. The nurse, the doctor and the "high risk counselor". Words are said. I want to run. All I hear is " he is dying."
I stumble home. Somehow.
It is not a story, it was my life in august.
It is unbearable to think of the consequences of this bill.
Posted by jackie jormp jomp]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:11:38 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Shanta Nunn-Baro]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:55:35 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by GrizLee Bear]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:28:58 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by plainjim]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 20:24:23 -0600 Arkansas Times
I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing an experience that might hopefully make these freaks think twice. I just don't understand why they need to know or care about my uterus or yours.
Posted by Yellowdogdaughter]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:38:13 -0600 Arkansas Times Pain is no excuse for ignorance. I have no idea what your excuse is.
I knew every step I had to go through once I had a TERMINAL DIAGNOSIS. I lived it. My son had no chance at life, at all. His heart was occupying 70% of his chest cavity and his heart beat was waning by the day. He was not growing except for his organs. If he had simply had dwarfism, I would be holding my lovely tiny son. But he didn't. He was going to die. This bill would have required me to retain the dying fetus as long as my body would hold it, or until infection set in and I had to have surgery. (To save the life of the mother)
As he is a man, and has a beautiful living daughter, as far as I know, Rep Mayberry has never had to carry a dead child in him. So no, he doesn't understand. sorry I didn't elaborate.
Posted by jackie jormp jomp]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:25:24 -0600 Arkansas Times
And Hackett, I can count Saline and myself to get to two posters, and I personally know enough people who tell me about things they've read here to know I've got the first dozen readers covered, so I figure there must be that many again I don't know. So I realize we're outnumbered in this forum, but I also realize Max has many more readers than posters and they don't all agree with Norma, eL, and HHW. They just don't all feel compelled to speak up. Truth is this board is a lot like current politics, a very few defending vastly different positions and a great many who fall somewhere in between and keep it to themselves.
Posted by Theodosius]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:18:07 -0600 Arkansas Times http://tinyurl.com/an2s84x
Posted by Hackett]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:07:24 -0600 Arkansas Times
Theodosius you've overestimated your support.
Posted by Hackett]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:39:43 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by couldn't be better]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:36:41 -0600 Arkansas Times
Now, I fully get that only about two or three posters (and a probably a few dozen readers) on this blog agree that Roe is "wrong". So we can debate whether Roe is equal to Plessey or Brown (wrong or right). But why use the canard that we must "uphold the rule of law"? These legislators did not propose armed rebellion. They used the constitutional process of the State of Arkansas to put forward laws that may or may not be upheld by the current Supreme Court of the U.S. - an institution that is both fallible and fungible.
Posted by Theodosius]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:19:57 -0600 Arkansas Times
The pro-rape voting bloc is turning this state and nation into a sick joke.
Posted by Jake da Snake]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:56:50 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Yellowdogdaughter]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:00:07 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Cato]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:49:20 -0600 Arkansas Times
"The highest authority has spoken. The voice of the Supreme Court has gone out over the troubled waves of the National Conscience.... [But] my hopes were never brighter than now. I have no fear that the National Conscience will be put to sleep by such an open, glaring, and scandalous tissue of lies.." Frederick Douglass (concerning Dred Scott)
Posted by Theodosius]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:31:27 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Cato]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:41:46 -0600 Arkansas Times
Andy and Julie have a beautiful daughter who is wheel-chair bound - a result of Spina Bifida if I recall correctly. Jackie was apparently simply ignorant, a condition possibly to be excused due to her own pain with the issue. She was also judgmental, not knowing that Andy *did* have to go through at least a form of this painful process. But you are obviously at least partially aware of the Mayberry's situation.

Andy and Julie love and dote on their daughter. I'm sure such a diagnosis is devastating. But that does not mean it only results in suffering. And your attack on his motivations is 180-degrees wrong and is sick.
Posted by Theodosius]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:40:04 -0600 Arkansas Times
Where is brother ES now to explain the lack of difference between the two parties?
Posted by eLwood]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:37:23 -0600 Arkansas Times
A friend there just forwarded me an email PR from Sen. Pryor titled, "Stopping the Cycle of Abuse" [of women]. That hillbilly hypocrite, like all the others across the board, utterly ignores:

1) the level of abuse these misogynist anti-women's-freedom laws heap on women, from the very young all through child-bearing years.

2) the devastating consequences of a lack of genuine sex education and family planning education.

3) the horrific social and economic costs of unwanted and unneeded children who don't stand a chance because of lack of education and lack of decent (if any) jobs in today's and tomorrow's world, and who will only perpetuate cycles of abuse, ignorance and poverty.

4) the incalculable costs to Arkansas of repulsing any future major employers who won't THINK about relocating or investing there: thus leaving only more pie-in-the-sky schemes like the Big Steel company being touted by (if reports on this blog are to be believed) a man with a shady track record. ANOTHER in a long list of pie-in-the-sky dreams of "revitalizing" Main Street and "preserving Arkansas values" that raise false hopes and go nowhere while extracting the maximum from taxpayers and the feds and saddling your state with more debts and interest payments.

American education is now around 24-34 in the world, as far as science, technology and tomorrow's jobs, depending on the source . . . and falling.

And Arkansas is at the bottom of the barrel in American education, starting with pre-K. By 12th grade, it's WAY too late.

NONE of these problems are being discussed or addressed in The Natural State.

Only these draconian fundamentalist Christian dogmas furthering ignorance and hate.

Arkansas (and the South) may as well be run by the Westboro Baptist Church, it's clear. Nobody wants to live in a state where medically unqualified hicks and religious extremists presume to dictate physicians' and women's heath and reproductive decisions. Along with everything else. It's HUGELY insulting and tells rational, thinking people all they need to know about your state.

Until you grow leaders with the courage and integrity to speak up, speak out, educate the electorate and stand up to bullies masquerading as "faith"-based . . . you frankly deserve what you get.

It's nobody's fault but your own.
Posted by Norma Bates]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:36:06 -0600 Arkansas Times
BTW, when are they going to stop all of thsi religious s**t and do what they are actually there for? Governor, no special session!!!!!!!!!!! and no pay beyond the Constitutionally allowed amount!!!!!!! (we must keep small state government, you know!!!
Posted by couldn't be better]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:22:29 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by kerrijack]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:18:20 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by nlrgirl]]> Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:07:02 -0600 Arkansas Times