http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/02/03/fact-guns-dont-make-homes-or-wome-safer Comments On: Fact: Guns don't make homes or women safer by Max Brantley en-us Copyright 2013 Arkansas Times. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Arkansas Times readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Arkansas Times. robert@arktimes.com (Arkansas Times Webmaster) Fri, 24 May 2013 00:00:01 -0500 Fri, 24 May 2013 22:45:00 -0500 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
"Among those living alone at the time of death, there was no association between the presence of a firearm in the home and method of homicide. However, for persons living with others at the time of death, there was a significant association between the presence of a firearm in the home and risk of a firearm homicide among those aged 35 years or older (adjusted odds ratio = 16.4)." [Dahlberg et al., 2004, Am J Epidemiol. 2004 160:929-936]

That odds ratio means that for those of you who have a roomie or a family member in the house you are about FIFTEEN TIMES more likely to die of a gunshot wound than by any other means if there's a gun there! The lack of correlation for those living alone means that you're not very likely to accidentally kill yourself with your own gun, and visitors are not really likely to kill you with it either. It also means that people who own guns are not being killed by a violent intruder's gun any more than non-gun owners, so that can't account for all of Kellermann's effect.

Finally, I don't have data on this, but I think it would something of a stretch to claim that fewer people live alone in high-crime areas. One survey in Pennsylvania found many more single-resident households in big cities (Pittsburgh, Philly) than in smaller towns and suburbs.
Posted by Neuroglider]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:12:07 -0600 Arkansas Times
"Even after excluding many reported firearm victimizations, far more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun to protect themselves. A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun." [Hemenway et al., 2000, Inj Prev. 6:263-267]
Posted by Neuroglider]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:31:04 -0600 Arkansas Times
I don't care if the CBO says that Obamacare is going to save money. I KNOW it won't.
I don't care if 99% of environmental scientists say that global warming is real. I KNOW it isn't.
I don't care if geologists say the earth is millions of years old. I KNOW it isn't.
I don't care if every pointy-headed liberal on the planet says that increasing the number of guns will increase the number of gun deaths. I KNOW it won't.
Posted by I_AM_THE_NRA]]> Mon, 04 Feb 2013 08:02:15 -0600 Arkansas Times http://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/?p=880…

From the time, a dictionary that answers some critical questions.

As for your picking of that line, it means pretty much what is says, which is the South tends toward more violence than most other areas of the country. The tendency to violence isn't exacerbated or alleviated by guns in the home. There are states and cities where more guns hasn't created great guns crimes and many cities that are murder capitals that have onerous gun laws. I know, I moved from L.A. and into Carson City and the difference was stark. Guns everywhere, mostly by the good guys, and nowhere near the trouble you have in L.A.

I know that new gun laws will do anything for crime in the South, and so do you. I think your smart enough to know that. The South has many serious issues, and guns is the LEAST of them. I would state that keeping guns available for the peaceful folks is more important for those residing in the South. You want to create a hunting paradise for criminals, try to disarm the South.

Kellermann's main flaw was looking at one area, crime areas, and using that as your representative for the rest of the country. Well, DUH, dumb ass, if you look at crime in L.A., you will find that houses with guns don't always confer safety for that owner. Why? Well, that person has it for defense from OTHER, fellow criminals who are out to kill him because he is a dealer or different gang member. Rough neighborhoods are going to be just that, rough. I lived in good and bad neighborhoods during my time in L.A. My time in Glendale was far different than my time in Echo Park. Do the same study in both towns and you have different results.
Posted by Steven E]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:47:21 -0600 Arkansas Times
Man's world is manifold, and his attitudes are manifold. What is manifold is often frightening because it is not neat and simple. Men prefer to forget (or ignore) how many possibilities are open to them. . . . Mundus vult decipi - the world wants to be deceived. Truth is too complex and frightening; the taste for truth is an acquired taste that few acquire.

I highly recommend reading the entire treatise the above was just a taste, but like most philosophical treatises the knowledge and illumination gained could be used by the reader to support their own viewpoint. However, the illumination and perceptions gained may help you to avoid the dispepsia Norma seems to be suffering this evening, but you'll have to dodge bullets unleased by the gun nuts and their beliefs on your own.
Posted by dottholliday]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:27:55 -0600 Arkansas Times
Steven E. , I'll admit that I don't have the statistical expertise to pick apart that one study, even though I know, that many others since have refuted it. What do you make of the above quotation from the conclusions in your holy study? Violent behavior is highest in the south, in the area with the most guns and the weakest gun control laws. Maybe, new gun control regulations should be focused on the southern states where most needed. You'd have to agree with that since the info is directly from your link.

And BTW, Steven, the meaning of "regulation" has not changed since 1785. This is in reference to your attempted smokescreen of a few days ago, about the term "well-regulated militia" in the 2nd Amendment. And, no, it doesn't have anything to do with regular bowel movements either--so don't try it.
Posted by Olphart]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:37:04 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by plainjim]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:29:58 -0600 Arkansas Times
Can we assume that you weren't with your wife while she was out shopping? If you were--no problem--you'd just shoot him dead, stand over him and thump your chest.

You don't seem the type to go shopping with your wife so then you'd have to rely on her description of the culprit. How would you find him? How would you know for sure it was the one? Would it make any difference to you? If you, by chance, DID find the right "idiot", then we'd have TWO IDIOTS firing at each other across a parking lot. One idiot might die or no idiots might die but innocent bystanders could, very likely die.

I know you don't understand this so, let me simplify it for you. Thump, thump, thump!
Grunt! Fart!
Posted by Olphart]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:15:50 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by the outlier]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:11:40 -0600 Arkansas Times I just had an epiphany, what if everyone carries a gun, like at the supermarket; these %$#@ taters are rotten, clear the aisles, I'm gonna shoot their eyes out. Just had another thought, wonder if old Charleston has let go of his gun. Seems like he most likely by now has lost his grip; as the NRA bigwigs and repug right have.
Posted by TX-Travler]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 18:13:50 -0600 Arkansas Times
There are plenty of references that are not tied to anything but objective data gathering. Pity you do not wish to learn, but there is plenty of good reading chasing down the MANY references in that study, but I do not expect you to actually want to learn anything, just make some insipid and ignorant comment.

I know you hate having your bubbles burst, but there it is.
Posted by Steven E]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:39:35 -0600 Arkansas Times
And I see Steven has his own slanted, biased studies to throw out there and counter any other studies that tend to show anything negative about gunsucking and gunsuckers. Surprise!
Posted by Sound Policy]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:28:23 -0600 Arkansas Times nil..

Many answers to the flaws of those studies are revealed here, but don't expect Max to use facts to drive the debate.

http://www.guncite.com/Kleck-Hogan.html

"Other research on the effects of guns in the hands of victims and prospective victims consistently indicates that victims who use guns for self-protection are less likely to be injured or to lose their property than otherwise similar victims who either do not resist at all or resist without a gun (e.g., Cook 1991; Kleck 1988; Kleck and DeLone 1993; see others reviewed in Kleck 1997a:225-226). There is scholarly debate about how often guns are used for protective purposes; while some scholars stress the low estimates implied by the National Crime Victimization Surveys (NCVS [e.g., McDowall 1995]), at least fifteen surveys indicate far larger numbers of uses, ranging from 700,000 up to 3.5 million or more. As yet, no other survey has even approximately confirmed the low NCVS-derived estimates (Kleck 1997a:149-159, 187-189; Kleck and Gertz 1995). "

If one is to support the notion that guns in homes for self defense is a myth, one has to find a better study than Kellermann of Hemenway, as other bodies of work show that the opposite is true. Gyl brings up an important point that is overlooked by folks like Kellermann and Hemenway, that there are a LOT of defensive uses of firearms that do not involve shooting the perp. I was personally involved in four of them, and I am not an anomaly in that case. When you aslo look at defense against other crimes, like robbery and rape, Kellermann's study takes a further hit as his study is too narrow in crimes as well as locale.

Too bad the NY Times cannot use anything more relevant and honest to make their point. Instead they trot out the same, disputed and flawed studies that have been floating aound for far too long.
Posted by Steven E]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:17:39 -0600 Arkansas Times
Congress has passed gun control measures in the past, but every one of them contained NRA-designed poison pills, making the laws ineffective. Yes, there are laws on the books, but they cannot be enforced because of the restrictions written into the laws. Remember that the next time some gun nut says there's enough laws, we just need to enforce them.
Posted by YossarianMinderbinder]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:07:36 -0600 Arkansas Times http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citiz…
Posted by clay pigeon]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:00:27 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by bugeyedlittlefreak]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 15:45:53 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by YossarianMinderbinder]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:36:07 -0600 Arkansas Times
Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL and author of the best-selling book American Sniper, and a second person were shot and killed Saturday at a gun range in Erath County, U.S. Marshals said.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/02/la…
Posted by Arkie]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:20:45 -0600 Arkansas Times
What an asinine thing to write. They damn sure make my home safer, and the idiot who tries to do something to my wife when she's walking back to her car after shopping will get to learn whether it makes a woman safer.
Posted by Drackman]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 13:41:20 -0600 Arkansas Times
How then is that not applied to so called fire arms that in my assessment are capable of discharging dozens of rounds a minutes without the hassel of reloading? What possible purpose do these personal light artillery weapons have in the hands of Jane/Joe Q Public?
Ans. For protecting one's home against multiple invaders - I Guess from the UN. Honestly what paniced paranoid world do some of these people reside in?

Sure people can kill people with near anything they can get their hands on, but nothing does it faster and with more ease than some of this light artillery diguised as fire arms.

It reminds me of a political cartoon I saw whereby an over zealous gun owner, fearful of the crazies out to get him, is hunkered down in his sandbag foxhole surrounded by a wall of mirrors.

It doesn't make me feel good about these characters packing heat in public. Talk about the need for better mental health care in the current gun safety efforts.
Posted by Ron Rizzardi]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 12:29:35 -0600 Arkansas Times
The Democrat Party backed by money raised by George Soros and Al (Gore) Jazeera have secretly bought Fox News. They are slowly firing straight-talking Americans like Sarah Palin and, soon, Huckabuck. In advance of the sale, they dumped Glenn Beck to prevent him from exposing the scheme. If Obama stays in office in 4 years from now by taking away all guns, Fox will become the official government news source and all other networks, including World Net Daily, will be banned.

Feel free to post this on other blogs.
Posted by YossarianMinderbinder]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 10:54:08 -0600 Arkansas Times
Just a week ago Huckabuck was using LaPierre's argument on his facebook site to argue that Obama-Demos are hypocrites. Huck is banking on his faithful not to see the sleight of hand or what others call false equivalency at work.

Americans loathe others who appear to be entitled unless the entitled inherited it fair and square like, say, Jeb Bush.
Posted by eLwood]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:47:27 -0600 Arkansas Times
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Posted by the outlier]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:33:16 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Snapback]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:31:54 -0600 Arkansas Times
One need not pull the trigger to successfully use a firearm in self defense.
Posted by Gylippus]]> Sun, 03 Feb 2013 09:23:07 -0600 Arkansas Times