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      <![CDATA[PLEASE explain to me how in the hell Will Bond could be viewed as having "good political instincts," sir. Seriously...in what conceivable way? He's presiding over one of the darkest periods for the party in generations, despite the groundswell of support the party has seen nationally. The previous party chair (the block-headed fella that looked like "American Dad") was ran out of dodge despite being immeasurably more effective during his tenure there, no? At least we were actively recruiting worthy candidates for and had actual strategies for success prior to campaign season. <br>
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There are some very capable within the state party -- we just need to see a flushing of some of the old guard more worried about self-preservation and more of these folks assuming the top leadership positions. Personally, I can't wait until Mike Beebe's reign of personal glorification is over so we can hit the reset button on this thing.
        
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      <![CDATA[It's so nice to have outgrown the tactic of screaming louder, Verla.  I think I was 19 when I figured it out. Sometimes though I'm not sure what point I'm making, mostly because if no one gets it - or gets something else out of it -  does it count?<br>
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It's Norma's point, I think, though I feel kinda honored to be put in the same sentence with her/you. But then again, I've always had issues about figuring out where it is I fit.
        
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      <![CDATA[If the Koch bothers are going to invest, why does the state of Arkansas have to float a bond issue?  Isn't that the socialism they deplore?
        
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      <![CDATA[Did anyone see the ADG's front-page story about the Koch brothers having invested big bucks in the steel mill corporate welfare project?<br>
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Nowhere in the quite-long article was any reference made to the financial largesse said bro's lavished on the Republican candidates who now are in the position of deciding whether to approve the $200 million giveaway?
        
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      <![CDATA[Like I, NORMA BATES, always say, "It takes a BIG man to remove his tights in public."<br>
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I'm pretty sure I always say that.
        
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      <![CDATA[I yield to both Norma and Vanessa.  They make excellent points.  I was being too moderate, and as  18-year-old Hillary's idol once said, "Moderation in the defense of liberty is no virtue."
        
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      <![CDATA[What's with all these CONTINUING straw men distractions from Koch's response to the AIDS crisis in his city?<br>
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"A lot of people didn't know . . . " -- same thing Catholic Germany said after the Holocaust.<br>
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"Not very many people recognized the problem . . . "<br>
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Bullshit. If you MUST post just to hear yourselves, address the facts Signorile succinctly outlines, instead of drumming up false equivalencies and arguing those. You sound like trolls. Maybe you are, on this.<br>
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"Three years into the epidemic, Koch's administration had shockingly only spent $24,500 on AIDS while, that same year, 'San Francisco, a city one-tenth the size of New York, spent $4.3 million, a figure that grew to over $10 million annually by 1987.'"<br>
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That's just ONE devastating fact Signorile cites.<br>
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"SAME YEAR," different cities, different politicians. TOTALLY different responses. Koch's New York response being next to nothing by comparison. Everybody knows it. Why can't you accept it? Why keep making excuses for it?<br>
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You people are falsifying the memory of a man who did nothing about AIDS, at a time when plenty of others were doing all they could. You're like Huckabee's revisionist historian pal, David Barton. WHY you're making excuses on this blog is your own problem.<br>
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Don't you READ articles that are cited here? Koch treated people horribly--not just those in NY dying of AIDS, but people he supposedly loved (THREATENING them if they told).<br>
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Ed Koch was "a monster, harming and abusing those around him while turning his back on suffering and mass death." That's the truth about Ed Koch.<br>
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The man was a terrified liar and bully all his life. He didn't give a hoot for OTHER human lives or suffering because, at the time, AIDS was identified with gays and all he cared about was saving his own skin. His jolly-tough man-of-the-streets act was phony from day one till the day he died.<br>
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So he also gave NY the figurative Volkswagen. Fine.<br>
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Koch's record and lack of humanity on AIDS is hideous and completely self-serving. SO hideous and self-serving, apparently, the rest of you keep squirming to scurry from the truth and yell, "Looky over here!"<br>
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Give me a fucking break.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mother Teresa never did a damn thing for the starving in the ghettos of South Africa!<br>
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George Washington just sat around and did nothing about the British Empire's oppression in India!<br>
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I grow tired of people being blamed for causes they did not die for.<br>
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We are free to pick our fights and avoid others that would overwelm us and divert resources from at least one area we may improve.<br>
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Who picks what fight is a very personal decision.<br>
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My motto I teach and preach is "make each place better when you leave than when you arrived!"<br>
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Much can be accomplished that way.  <br>
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For my charity work (for lack of a better term) I avoided feeling used or abused by chosing only innocent causes.<br>
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I don't give money to pan handlers but i give time to children's causes.  10 years as a volunteer "BiG" in Big Brothers Big Sisters and member of Big League (fund raising arm underwriting outtings and holiday parties).  I adopoted a shelter dog.<br>
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I did not relieve the hunger or suffering of homeless grownups.  I feared suspecting them of maybe lying to me of their need or having caused their own situation might justify quitting when the going got tough. <br>
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 I did what I could to possibly reduce the number of homeless a decade into the futre.<br>
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A brother-in-law did and does nothing for fatherless boys with Big Brothers but he voluteers at Children's Hospital holding, hugging, cuddling and rocking critically ill infants.<br>
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If I outlive my BinL, at his funeral I will laud his work at Children's not deride his lack of work for the fatherless.<br>
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A politician, Ed or any other, only has so many causes they can make a difference in before they are diliuted and dissipated beyond effect in any.<br>
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I was pretty disappointed in the abuse Obama was taking by groups that had not had centuries or decades of oppression relieved by his first 2 years in office.<br>
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The backers of eliminating DADT were nowhere to be found when Obama was being bloodied in Singlepayer healthcare.  <br>
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Those wishing to close Gitmo were and still are quiet while Obama is fighting with the Republicans to end the disasterous W tax cuts.<br>
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The ability to extract the US from another disasterous W escapade, the Weapons of Mass Destruction Iraq Invasion came about by not YET entering the quagmire of Same Sex Marriage.<br>
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Maybe I read Norma's posts incorrectly but I read that Ed's crime was in not helping enough or at all as opposed to resticting the gay issues.<br>
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If I mow a vacant overgrown lot near me am I to be thanked or cursed that I neglected a worse lot in a more deserving part of town?
        
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      <![CDATA[Vanessa, Norma, Jim--you all make good philosophical points, and it would be nice if more people thought like you, but some people are zealots, they have no points so they scream a little louder.  Rapert has no empathy for those who seek abortions for any reason, despite the mind boggling soul wrenching that may have gone into that decision.  Pity his wife and daughter--assuming he has both.
        
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      <![CDATA[I've tried . . . tried, I tell you, James of the Plains. <br>
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The old, "I don't want to fight Norma, but--" routine (missing that essential first comma, you old journalist, you; so Freudian). <br>
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Of course you want to fight Norma. Because you immediately launch a series of halfhearted distractions to ignore the point--Koch's record on AIDS.<br>
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"I'm not whitewashing his actions, Norma. Just looking for a reason for them. Maybe he was scared; maybe he did not recognize the dangers." <br>
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Maybe pigs flew. <br>
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Maybe you're not whitewashing. Maybe just determined to misdirect and change the subject to continue the "fight" you say you don't want, which nobody started but you (in the distance, some tired bus-and-truck company's Don Quixote sings "The Impossible Dream" in yet ANOTHER revival).<br>
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"We need to judge a politician on his total record. . . . I was not a big Ed Koch fan when I saw him on television, because I thought he was a self-promoting egotist, but that doesn't keep him from being a great politician."<br>
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Of course, nobody said he wasn't. But then you wouldn't have your argument--pardon me--"fight"--you pretend not to want. <br>
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So "great politician" is your final attempt to change the subject so you can keep "fighting" the windmill of your mind.<br>
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Except not final, because you slink back with one MORE post, for some reason.<br>
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Speaking of "mind," never mind that "great politician" applies to every egomaniac who ever disdained human lives for personal expediency. "Great politician."<br>
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Maybe that wasn't your intention and maybe the moon's made of green cheese, but you lost me at, "I don't want to fight, but--."<br>
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I'm thinking you'd better go back in that phone booth and change out of those tights. <br>
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They seem to be cutting off circulation to your brain centers connected with reason, logic and commas.
        
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      <![CDATA[Well, well, Vanessa! There you have it, and THANK you! Beliefs and belief systems. <br>
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They basically account for everything! From choice of locale, to loves, education, religion (or lack of it), careers, financial status, even health (outside of genetic physical disabilities).<br>
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Of course, few want to take responsibility for their own NEGATIVE belief systems and the inevitable results in their lives, so powerful are beliefs AS FACTS. (They’re not facts: they’re BELIEFS about facts. And beliefs CAN be changed, as can the results in their lives.)<br>
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Beliefs aren’t just individual; they’re also collective, which reinforces their power.<br>
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The South (generally speaking, of course) and its “reputation” are perfect examples. <br>
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For so long, inherited beliefs about Southern guilt (over slavery), provincialism, ignorance, outsiders, higher education, sophistication, elites, success, ambition, wealth, religion, on and on, have been unconsciously accepted as “facts.” Those beliefs’ predictable and attendant results include inferiority feelings, resentment, anger, powerlessness (denied through violence, common in many “powerless” societies and ghettos), et al. The beliefs are accepted from within and confirmed from without.<br>
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Bullying, intimidation and violence are manifestations of fear and WEAKNESS, not confidence and strength. Such people aren’t genuinely strong enough to get what they want through intelligence, skill or training. Escalating material and physical threats are  what remain to them.<br>
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Unable to attract the best and brightest and the jobs and money accompanying them, because of the South’s belief systems, it’s cherished “traditional values,” scams like the Big River Steel plant almost HAVE to be accepted and welcomed, so hungry for jobs are those areas.<br>
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The corruption, hypocrisy and desperation inviting such measures compounds and reinforces generations of negative “belief systems” and “proves” how inferior the place and its people are, perpetuating beliefs in inferiority as “facts” (but blaming outsiders).<br>
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Absent the best educations, well-paying jobs and diverse cultural climates, no wonder fundamentalist religion is widely embraced. It gives a sense of moral superiority over other belief systems that generate better educations, brighter job opportunities, happier futures and more welcoming diverse cultures.<br>
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Religious “superiority” requires no thought. In fact it DEMANDS avoiding critical thinking—the kind of thinking higher education develops. Only obedience and surrender to Father Knows Best authorities promise eternal rewards (after you’re dead) through tithing and parroting conformist Biblical dogma (itself bloody and violent while pretending to embody “Love”). If you “fail” in life, it’s because you don’t have enough “faith.” Tithe MORE. Be MORE dogmatic. Everybody else is of Satan.<br>
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No wonder religionists fight so viciously to maintain “traditional values” in the face of natural evolution, change and progress, which are “believed” to be threats. Fundamentalism may be a superstitious myth but it’s all they’ve got, so they believe it with all their might. (See the Middle East or Africa.)<br>
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No wonder Arkansas and the South generally have so long maintained bottom-rung status: That’s where Southerners REALLY believe they belong.<br>
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Of course, they can’t admit it: too threatening on every level. Especially to the Powers That Be. Instead, lip-service is paid to seeming to strive for never-ending “revitalization” projects and promises of tourism influxes to visit mediocre bridges.<br>
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Yet Southerners will unconsciously reject every attempt to TRULY bring better education, better jobs, better social conditions, equality for women / blacks / gays / immigrants and non-“believers,” because “better” isn’t their Belief System.<br>
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“Bottom” is.<br>
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Yes, things are generally “better” throughout the South than in the 30s or 50s. But the South STILL clings to the bottom rungs relative to everywhere else.<br>
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Some, who successfully change their belief systems, stay and fight for growth and progress and enlightenment. Many more leave for greener pastures. Far easier than battling insistence on conforming to inferiority.<br>
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Like victims who believe deep-down they “love” their abusers, and if they "love" them enough they can change their oppressors, the majority will NEVER change their beliefs, no matter how ugly or doomed, because they don’t know they can, and don’t know how.<br>
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They believe they’re facts.
        
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      <![CDATA[That's just it plainjim. I understand it as much as anyone who didn't live through it. I lived through the late 50s and early 60s as a small child paraded around as being born in Africa and that caused some people to refuse to accept the idea that I was white. On my first birthday, in the rain forest of southeastern Nigeria, my parents invited local tribes people to come see me because they didn't believe that there were white babies. They believed that everyone was born black and that the gods somehow turned some people white. I don't know much more than that, but there are pictures.  My parents tossed candy to the crowd.  I get the old south. What I don't get is people who refuse to accept reality.<br>
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Jason Rapert refuses to accept the reality that President Obama was in attendance at a prayer breakfast because it interferes with his belief system.  Why not be honest about it, as Norma asks above?  Because it interferes with his belief system. Even Thurmond came around to renounce racism.  It just makes me wonder what some people are hiding in their refusal to acknowledge reality.  Rapert seems to be hiding from his own racism.  Ed Koch hid from his homosexuality.  The more strident someone is in his or her refusal to deal with objective truth the more I suspect they have some sort of Thurmond/Koch like secret.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yes, rc, and you saw what we got instead of Linda Tyler, Jason RAPErt! The state lost and so did the small group of sane, non-TP white people in Faulkner County. Why do they continue to elect small minds into semi-responsible positions?
        
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      <![CDATA[Vanessa, the story of Strom Thurmond is the story of the South during that period in our history.  Read William Faulkner's novels if you want to understand it, but, quite frankly, I doubt if you can.  You had to have been born there, in that time, to understand it.  I hope it is over with, but I don't know that it is.
        
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      <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/02/04/us/ap-us-obit-strom-thurmonds-daughter-.html?ref=us" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/02/04&hellip;</a><br>
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This just makes me wonder what kind of secrets today's right wing nuts are keeping hidden.  Too many people still think it's better to keep up appearances rather than deal with reality.
        
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6 Nov<br>
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Will Bond ‏@1willbond<br>
@johnbrummett Team Tyler continues to push out the vote. Your numbers are off. Can you say State Senator Linda Tyler?<br>
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Will Bond ‏@1willbond<br>
@johnbrummett we think you will be rewriting your column late tonight. #sleepygrumpycolumnist.<br>
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      <![CDATA[Also, Norma, I should have added that not very many people recognized the problem AIDS was in 1981.   Everett Koop was among the first to recognize it, as Surgeon General under Reagan, but his President NEVER accepted that AIDS was a problem.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm not whitewashing his actions, Norma.  Just looking for a reason for them.  Maybe he was scared; maybe he did not recognize the dangers.  As you pointed out, needle-sharing was considered a drug problem, and maybe he did not wish to appear to be "soft" on drugs, because in that time, no politician could appear to be anything but an  anti-drug warrior.  (Remember Nancy Reagan's war on drugs, and "just say no.?")<br>
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Anyway, Norma, we need to judge a politician on his total record. I'm not passing judgment on that. That is the role of historians. I was  not a big Ed Koch fan when I saw him on television, because I thought he was a  self-promoting  egotist, but that doesn't keep him from being a great politician.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm pretty sure I am related to Terri and Stephen in some very close way.
        
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      <![CDATA[You miss the point, James. MOST of the point.<br>
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The history is fascinating and revealing about people and society. The point is that Koch deliberately did so little to address AIDS, DESPITE BEING IN A POSITION TO DO IT: not merely that he was closeted.<br>
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Others addressed it. Others took action. Straights too. Margaret Thatcher. Bill Gates. C. Everett Koop. Elizabeth Taylor (starting in 1985). Diane Feinstein. Barney Frank NEVER fought recognition of the AIDS crisis, closeted or out. THAT'S the point. Not the closet.<br>
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That Koch shunned dealing with it BECAUSE he was a self-loathing gay man selfishly afraid of wrecking his future political chances by risking exposure of his supposed "secret"--and his resulting ugly treatment of his then-lover and other close friends--preferring to let the epidemic kill thousands rather than face it with political or personal integrity and courage--that he lied about himself and what he did all the way to the grave--says everything about the man.<br>
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The point is that there were politicians and public figures who did address AIDS--selflessly, at great potential risk to their careers, considering public opinion of the day.<br>
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THEY'RE the ones rightly admired to this day.<br>
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The whitewashing of Ed Koch for the past 30 years is contemptible, because it requires accomplices and enablers who help Koch get by with it.<br>
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Why not be honest about it, instead?<br>
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Because once you fully grasp the answer to that question, you'll see how monstrous he truly was.<br>
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Signorile is absolutely right.
        
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      <![CDATA[I did some research after my post above, and Harvey Milk was the first openly gay politician in the United States, serving as an Alderman in San Francisco.  He was gunned down in 1978, one year after Ed Koch was elected Mayor of New York
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't want to fight Norma, however, outside of San Francisco, all gay politicians were scared of their shadow back in those days.  Barney Frank was still in the closet.  I can not think of a single contemporary of Ed Koch who admitted to homosexuality. Was Harvey Milk the first? I think he may have been, and look what happened to him. That was a long time ago, Norma, a whole lot longer than the 30 years of real time, and the world was a whole lot different, so I don't think you can judge Ed Koch by present standards. Just be thankful for the progress.
        
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      <![CDATA[I noticed early this morning that President Clinton, serving as President Obama's representative, will speak Monday at the funeral of NY Mayor Ed Koch. Both Clintons are old friends of the former Mayor's, who staunchly supported them. <br>
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"Koch led his city for 12 years, with a brash, humor-tinged style that came to personify the New York of the 1980s."<br>
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Mayor Bloomberg called Koch "our most tireless, fearless, and guileless civic crusader," and said Koch's "tough, determined leadership and responsible fiscal stewardship ... helped lift the city out of its darkest days and set it on course for an incredible comeback," adding, "When someone needed a good kick in the rear, he gave it to them."<br>
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Yeah, well. <br>
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Somebody else reminded me later today of the ugly facts about Ed Koch that everybody, including the NYT in its obituary (later modified because of the outrage), tries to ignore and hide.<br>
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The nonsense about not speaking ill of the dead would mean ignoring the Holocaust to focus solely on Hitler's giving the world the people's car: the Volkswagen.<br>
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Let's get real about Koch.<br>
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Ed Koch was gay. Not "rumored" to be gay. Gay. Everybody knew it, the way everybody knew Ken Mehlman is gay (even when he served his GOP minders by vehemently denying the truth and supporting anti-gay Republican legislation and bigotry). Mehlman has since reformed and is actively working for equality to make amends for his former closeted life.<br>
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Not Ed Koch.<br>
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"Koch's silence on AIDS in those critical first years spoke volumes," Michelangelo Signorile reminds us. "Koch's national ambitions had him running away from gays, fearful of what any association might reveal about himself."<br>
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"Needle exchange for injecting drug users was assiduously resisted by the Koch administration, leading to thousands of unnecessary HIV infections. Even Britain under conservative Maggie Thatcher embraced needle exchange early on and virtually contained that end of the epidemic."<br>
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"Three years into the epidemic, Koch's administration had shockingly only spent $24,500 on AIDS while, that same year, 'San Francisco, a city one-tenth the size of New York, spent $4.3 million, a figure that grew to over $10 million annually by 1987.'"<br>
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In case you didn't know the truth about Ed Koch, Signorile names names. And concludes:<br>
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"Ed Koch's closet turned him into a monster, harming and abusing those around him while turning his back on suffering and mass death."<br>
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Never forget.<br>
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo…
        
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