http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/02/06/big-momma-takes-the-floor-on-transvaginal-probes-abortion Comments On: Big Momma takes the floor on transvaginal probes, abortion by Max Brantley en-us Copyright 2013 Arkansas Times. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, Arkansas Times readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact Arkansas Times. robert@arktimes.com (Arkansas Times Webmaster) Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:01 -0500 Tue, 21 May 2013 05:30:00 -0500 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
The above is the only thing I did not agree with from Big Momma. Because it maybe difficult for her to understand how this actually effects a man. It is the same amount of agony, just because you carry the fetus does not mean if something bad happens the man isn't as affected as you are. That's bullshit, I am sorry but it is. The man plays a big part in a pregnancy (or they are at least supposed to.) We don't just drop the sperm and don't think about it after that. We are there to take care of you, make sure you are healthy and well fed. We are there to make sure you are happy and help make it easier to carry the fetus that will eventually become a child after it is born. If something happens and that fetus cannot be born viable the devastation is just as bad on us as it is on the woman. We know the pain of miscarriages and we know the pain of a fetus being born without it being viable. Just because we don't know the physical pain, does not mean we are immune or do not feel the mental pain just as badly. It takes two to bring life into this world, that fetus is just as much apart of us as it is apart of you. So the kind of event like a miscarriage or malformation that cannot allow the fetus to be viable is just as hard on us at least as far as the mental pain this causes. I am sorry, but it is the truth. My wife has had a few miscarriages in the past five years. Every time it happens I am just as depressed about it as she is. I watch the physical pain and mental anguish it puts her through, and while I do not feel the physical pain. I certainly feel the mental pain that goes with this kind of thing.

I know what she was saying was about the requirement of a probe by law. I disagree with it, and do not think any state law should require such things. Not because I think it is dangerous. Because unless the tech has no freaking clue on what to do the chances of the probe going through the birth canal to the cervix and then pushing the cervix to the point of causing a problem in the womb. That's pretty slim, I've never seen it cause a problem. But then again none of the women I have knocked up has been skinny enough for the external ultrasound machine to work with the same accuracy as the internal probe does. That and I know that probe is never cold, but that is because my wife's OB does her job like a boss.
Posted by Earl C. Bedford Jr.]]> Sat, 09 Feb 2013 01:00:47 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Jennifer Coates Johnson]]> Fri, 08 Feb 2013 09:35:50 -0600 Arkansas Times
I'm not here to mock you, I just want to help. Please calculate what your share of tax money that pays for abortions. I will gladly reimburse you for it so you won't be out anything. Maybe, somebody here will match it so you can make a profit. I'm not trying to find out your name or address, a P.O. # will do or I'll leave it under a soda pop can somewhere. Just let me know when and how much? I'm not like you--I won't generalize--not ALL conservatives believe that it's all about money.

"I helped raise millions of dollars for a local charity that helped children and adults with disabilities."

Again, not mocking, I believe you. Saying that I know more about YOUR life than YOU do, would be absolutely ridiculous. It would be akin to you stating about me, a liberal, that hope, aspiration and human spirit are attributes which I cannot or don't know about. BTW, were you paid by that charity? Was it enough? Why did you quit?

"...despite the difficulties of raising a child with a disability, there was not a single parent who would not do anything humanly possible for that child. Those kids and adults still bring hope and joy to themselves and others everyday. There was not one of them who knew the situation was bleak, yet for the life (I guess I can say that since we are arguing heart beats) of that child, they wanted to do all they could."

There are as many variables as to kinds of disabilities, and the situations of parents to render this scenario meaningless regarding the subject of abortion. Yes, everybody admires those wonderful parents that deal with this kind of life for their disabled children. As you know, the care of many of these children is unbelievably expensive and private charities cannot provide enough help. What's your feeling about these kids receiving additional help from Medicaid or Medicare, keeping in mind that some of YOUR tax money might be used.? Just for those families which might not have a couple of hundred extra thousand dollars laying around to use every year. Those kinds of leaches, you know.

"The liberal tells people every day that they by themselves and with their friends, family and freedom can't accomplish what they want."

It's odd that I have never said this to another person in my 60 plus years, paraphrased or not. It's also odd that I've known a lot of liberals in my life and not one has ever said that to me, paraphrased or not" If I ever want to write an autobiography, I'll just let you know and you can tell me what I need to write.

"Yet, when Obama writes a healthcare law without a single day of healthcare experience, you gladly hand over your freedoms and decisions about your own body to the government?"

That argument might have merit if it weren't for the fact that OBAMA DIDN'T WRITE IT!!! There are thousands of hours of healthcare experience behind that bill and, you can't be ignorant enough not to know that. See, I'm praising you here, not mocking. I suspect that you just want to throw that out there because that'll instantly bring up a picture of Obama's black face and then we'll obviously know how ridiculous "HIS" health care bill is. Psst, not everybody is like that, even some of us white folks. But there I go, I don't know that about your racial feelings either, just about 75% sure.

"your own lord and savior Obama has the argument of his gun control method even if it saves only one life. Only one life. So why is it so hard if Rapert wants to do the same? His scenario is small but there is still a chance. A vagina probe to save a life? Just awful."

I didn't see "lord and savior" anywhere on the ballot when I voted. It would be meaningless anyway since I, like 100% ALL LIBERALS, are godless atheists. I know you know that too. Saving the life of a child is worthwhile but only the mother can decide whether her fetus continues to grow or not. She's the decider not you, not Rapert, only the mother.
Posted by Olphart]]> Thu, 07 Feb 2013 00:16:28 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Paul Covert]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 23:44:23 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by B Rock Sucks]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:46:13 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Doigotta]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:19:14 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by B Rock Sucks]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:46:57 -0600 Arkansas Times
As I stated in my initial post, I could care less about abortions. Do what you want, just don't make me pay for it is how I remember creating my post. However, with further reflection I guess I care a bit more about this topic. Naturally, everything I post here will be mocked, ridiculed and be made out to be that I am just another non caring republican. I will tell you however (without a single lie) that for the first 7 1/2 years of my 99 percent career, I helped raise millions of dollars for a local charity that helped children and adults with disabilities. Do you know how many "abnormal" in the womb children I saw everyday while walking into work? How many parents of those kids (and adults) were told a situation like you described? Hopelessness is often the picture painted. And despite the difficulties of raising a child with a disability, there was not a single parent who would not do anything humanly possible for that child. Those kids and adults still bring hope and joy to themselves and others everyday. There was not one of them who knew the situation was bleak, yet for the life (I guess I can say that since we are arguing heart beats) of that child, they wanted to do all they could.

That to me sums up the difference between being a conservative vs. a liberal. Hope. Aspiration. Human Spirit. I still believe there is a chance for everyone. And yes, without the governments help. The liberal tells people every day that they by themselves and with their friends, family and freedom can't accomplish what they want. You bring up the argument of how we stupid men could never understand being a woman. How this law is so unfairly written not only because it disagrees with you, but more importantly because it was written by a man. Yet, when Obama writes a healthcare law without a single day of healthcare experience, you gladly hand over your freedoms and decisions about your own body to the government? As I've stated on here before, women (according to Obama and other liberals) are too stupid to make their own health decisions. You guys are too stupid to pick up and pay for your own birth control. The government needs to do that for you. Freedoms are gladly taken away everyday under the guise of fairness.

Naturally, your argument is also weighed down by a tiny percent of abortions. 6% of them with a quick google search. It's just like gun control and everything else about liberalism. Take the tiniest scenario and then write sweeping reform that affects everyone. With that in mind, your own lord and savior Obama has the argument of his gun control method even if it saves only one life. Only one life. So why is it so hard if Rapert wants to do the same? His scenario is small but there is still a chance. A vagina probe to save a life? Just awful.

And for the record, I bet they warm up surgical knives, featus suction probes and scaffolds before an abortion. Your cold vaginal probe I'm sure is kept in a deep freeze before use. But I'm a man, how could I possibly know?
Posted by B Rock Sucks]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:45:30 -0600 Arkansas Times
B Rock Sux=0 Points

Sen. Jason Rapeher=Woman Hater
Posted by RYD]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:14:30 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Sound Policy]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:09:22 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by ButWhoCares]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:50:03 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Paul Covert]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 17:38:15 -0600 Arkansas Times
For some a term delivery would be the only acceptable option.
Others might choose to terminate the pregnancy.

Such a horrible, terrible group of options.

Why oh why do our legistlators feel they have to intervene in someone's private Hell.
Posted by mudturtle]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:14:08 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Bluesyoucanuse]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:06:24 -0600 Arkansas Times
Should my young friend have had to carry that baby to term, knowing every kick was the action of a child she would never be able to hold? One whose funeral she would need to plan instead of decorating its nursery? The pregnancy was terminated at 22 weeks, after consultations with specialists and much soul-searching.

The current bill hat has passed the house would have made her doctor's help in terminating that pregnancy to be a criminal act. It wasn't. It was the most humane act for everyone involved.
Posted by Anne Bonney, Pirate]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:30:59 -0600 Arkansas Times
Vagina trumps penis.

Some just can't handle that. For most of history it's been the other way around. Penis trumps vagina.

Most of the time it works best when penis and vagina make a team, but it took a long time just to get to that point in history, because for the longest times vaginas were simply property.

As Big Momma pointed out, even the mere word "vagina" makes people squirm.

The reality that vaginas are no longer property is just that: A reality. And we're not going back.
Posted by Vanessa]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:16:17 -0600 Arkansas Times
So, how can you go before your anti-woman klans and get away with calling yourselves anti-abortion? In your own words - yer either fer it or yer agin it.

Oops, I forgot. Logic and honesty are not in your value system.
Posted by YossarianMinderbinder]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:12:46 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Vanessa]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 15:05:19 -0600 Arkansas Times
I did want to clarify one thing: I'm referring to early first trimester testing, some of which can now be done as early as 10 or 11 weeks. The 20 week "big" ultrasound (where most impatient folks like me tend to find out if you're buying pink or blue), is traditionally when an expectant mom could find out if there were indicators for Downs or some neural tube defects, which is primarily done (and I'm a layperson here, I just have them done and don't understand the science) through measurements of the baby as ultrasound pictures are taken from different angles.

Now there are blood tests that can be done early in the first trimester to screen for certain chromosomal defects. This is big time, cutting edge stuff that wasn't even offered to me when my first child was born, but is now being offered to mothers with certain risk factors (including my aforementioned advanced maternal age...ahem). Bear in mind that if you know when you conceived or had your last menstrual period with a degree of certainty, some doctors don't do an ultrasound of any kind in the first trimester to confirm a viable pregnancy, so really, with the early testing available now, a situation could indeed arise where a woman discovers abnormalities in the early first trimester and wishes to abort. Thus, we go back to one, probing a woman even if it's not medically necessary and/or two, a situation where a woman is unable to get an abortion at 8, 9 or 10 weeks because a heartbeat is present.

And I very much appreciate the good thoughts. We've been fortunate to have beautiful, healthy children and expect another healthy pregnancy this time. The uncertainty is always difficult, but that's parenthood, eh?
Posted by BigMomma]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:34:11 -0600 Arkansas Times
Her vaginal probe argument seems to be an odd side show in an otherwise fine post.

"So, back to these legislators. After all of this agony, they want me to jump through one final hoop: being violated by a cold metal probe to verify a heartbeat. After all, I've had any number of other tests done, blood drawn, objects in my vagina, so why not subject me to one more, right?"

No, not right. But....

I see her point regarding abortions after 20 weeks or so when the tests are run. I disagree on a moral and ethical basis, but it is a coherent opinion and I respect her opinion. I wish her well and hope she never has to face such an awful and terrifying decision.
Posted by ProCarry]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:09:03 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by bopbamboom]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:31:03 -0600 Arkansas Times
mag and I have been together for 30 years now but I still don't own her body. I don't know what it feels like to have a vagina, or carry a child or birth a child. No one has ever told me to put my feet up in the stirrups. I've never had my pap smeared or my cervix scraped, I've never had a period.....men would die during their first period, I promise.

I am not the boss of my wife's body. It's been wonderful all these years for her to be the boss and me be the admirer of her body and it's worked great. In these same years I've been the boss of my penis and testicles. I've probably been too bossy about my penis but mag's body definitely has defenses for that.....like numbnuts in Missouri said bout raped women. mag has never had her prostate probed and I hope she never does.

If I was still 14, I'd want total control over attractive women.....globally. But when I grew up and had some life experiences I figured out it works best to share the world 50-50 with the women folks. I'll control my penis, they can control their vaginas, we will monitor our own plumbing and none of us need the oversight of a Republican or Bible-beater....thank you veddy veddy much.
Posted by DeathbyInches]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:25:27 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by ozarkrazo]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:17:17 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by mypeace of mind]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:14:29 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by HardHeadedWoman]]> Wed, 06 Feb 2013 13:13:20 -0600 Arkansas Times