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      <![CDATA[Everyone knew the lottery revenue would dwindle.<br>
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It was sold as a way to get more students into college.<br>
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Everyone knew it would be a freebie to the upperclasses that were going to college anyway.<br>
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Everyone knows that lesser amounts in the first year will not help any poor get started, not help much to increase the middle class to get started. <br>
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So the group that was going to graduate without the assistance will get the most assistance.<br>
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The group that needed the most assistance to get started will get the least.<br>
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Welcome to the New Republican World, motto is "Them that has, gets!"
        
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      <![CDATA[DBI:  You hit the nail on the proper end.<br>
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Even when I was teaching more than thirty years ago there were millions of unused scholarship and grant dollars.  The reason?<br>
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They were in small amounts.<br>
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If a student accepted one of those small amounts, s/he was not eligible for another with larger amounts.  Or, conversely, if a student accepted one of the larger amounts, s/he was not eligible for an additional one with smaller amounts.<br>
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Result?  The smaller-amount scholarships and grants went un-awarded and the money simply sat in banks.<br>
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Reducing the amounts of the lottery scholarhips to spread them around to more people will contribute to about the same result:  They won't be large enough to do the job by themselves but they will disqualify recipients for other awards.  So the award recipients won't be able actually to accept the money and use it to go to school; they won't go to school and the money will be left sitting--much to the delight of the banks and program administrators who will still collect THEIR benefits!<br>
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      <![CDATA[I second everything DBI said.
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't know how many students with 88 hours wil go ahead and finish but I do know 100% of those that don't start won't.
        
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      <![CDATA[I wonder what five-year students, architecture and accounting, will get? <br>
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>>The community colleges ought to have pre-engineering programs, but most of them do not.<br>
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Do you have any idea of how hard it is to hire faculty for those programs. I know a former dept head for UA engineering. He said repeatedly that many colleges and universities will have difficult time in the coming years hiring engineering proffs/instructors. They're simply too valuable in industry. Schools in the South spend outlandish sums on atheletics and have no idea of what engineering proffs are worth. <br>
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Same with nursing school staffs. Difficult to find teachers/professors because hospitals and private clinics will pay them so well. <br>
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Think a shift in priorities is coming? But, rest assured, we'll wait until it reaches crisis levels to plan and act.
        
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      <![CDATA[Bill Halter is out of office at the present time and not in a position to fight the evil Republicans who want to make sure there's plenty of Wal-Mart workers in the future by doing all they can to chip away at the Arkansas Lottery Scholarship. <br>
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Giving someone 2000 when they need 3000 thousand and have no way to get the extra money means they won't be going to college. Any idiot knows it would be better to give fewer kids the full sum of money needed to attend college than it would to give the same number less money.....less money that will mean damn few of them will manage to attend college. <br>
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5000 kids getting the full scholarship is a hell of a lot better than 10 thousand not getting enough. It's the best plan I've heard of to make sure college enrollment will go way down in the near future. I know that idea gives every Republican an erection and probably a lot of pretend Democrats too. But it's perhaps the surest way to keep Arkansas dead last in all good things for the remainder of the 21st century.<br>
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We'll never be Connecticut, but aren't you all sick to death of being the clone of Mississippi and Alabama century after century?
        
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      <![CDATA[These changes will force some students into the two-year colleges which, face it, are not at the same standard as the 4-year institutions.  Sometimes advisors at 4-year institutions recommend that students who are having trouble passing courses at their home schools take them in the summer at the community colleges, because they are easier there.  THe state legislature seems determined to keep Arkansas at the bottom of the states.
        
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      <![CDATA[The littlest goof who is in engineering school in Fayetteville wants to thank you Durango for every ticket that you buy.  Every little bit helps and only one year to go!
        
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      <![CDATA[Professor Bien,<br>
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Read in Arkansas Bidness today that both UALR and the UofA’s Fedvul branch are experiencing a surge of students enrolling in engineering programs. <br>
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<a href="http://goo.gl/EcpgE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/EcpgE</a><br>
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Think that’s great news!
        
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      <![CDATA[best of luck
        
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      <![CDATA[For example, engineering students are supposed to take calculus-based physics in their freshman year, but Pulaski Technical College does not even have such a course in the catalog. During their sophomore year, engineering students are supposed to take engineering courses such as statics, circuits, etc., but those are not offered at most community colleges either. Moreover, community college students are likely to take a lot more arts, humanities, and social sciences than are required for an engineering degree. That's not bad from an educational perspective, but it is horrible if a student is trying to minimize the cost and the time needed to earn an engineering degree.<br>
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Thus, students will not be able to take all of the courses that they need, and they will also probably take a lot of courses they don't need if they start at a community college and then transfer to a university to study engineering.<br>
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The community colleges ought to have pre-engineering programs, but most of them do not.
        
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      <![CDATA[Most community colleges do not offer the necessary freshman and sophomore level courses for majors like engineering. It is not necessarily cheaper or faster to start at a community college if your goal is an engineering degree.
        
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      <![CDATA[flyairplanes, apparently the Reopublicans hate the kids more than they hate Bill Halter.  They just can't keep from meddling.  It would be better to reduce the number of scholarships than to cut the amounts so drastically that the students will be in debt after only the first semester.  <br>
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Way to go, Arkansas, we don't need educated people.  Just look how well we have done with the current group of uneducated rubes running the state, violating the Constitution, members violating the church and state separation that Jefferson wanted, and acting like the American version of the Taliban but without the loveable characteristics.
        
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      <![CDATA[There is no good thing that cannot be abused, and the Arkansas legislature is determined to demonstrate it as fully as possible!!!<br>
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      <![CDATA[But Bill Halter said this wouldn't happen!
        
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      <![CDATA[It will probably force first year students who haven't qualified for additional scholarships into the 2-year college system which might be a good move to get those who aren't college material, aren't sure they want to pursue that career plan, or need remedial work assessed at the cheaper location.  It will, of course, keep some from going all together which I am sure is the plan for the Republican overlords who need a supply of disposable people for the lower level jobs. "Disposable" is the word to describe what the Republicans plan for the workman's comp system.  Of course, a few cases in the federal courts could cost the companies big on a national stage where the CNNs of the world get to reflect on corporate actions.
        
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