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I prefer to view you as ignorant as it would be a more charitable thought. I believe you truly have no clue as to what is going on around you in regards this debate.

Thing is, what can you expect from a Govt that does not respect the Second Amendment? Not like they respect the Fourth. Yet another example of the creeping hand of idiocy, http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/18…

Not like many of you gun haters and hoplophobes understand consequence.
Posted by Steven E]]> Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:17:59 -0600 Arkansas Times
Thing is, you have made a good try at derailing this thread by making petty attacks on grammatical errors You cannot answer the many questions and facts laid out for you. As I said, if we were chatting at a coffee shop about this, there would be no grammar to critique, just the words. Citizen makes a good point, but you missed it completely.

Perhaps I am more forgiving than you about the little things. I am not so extreme that I dismiss what someone says merely because of a few errors in spelling. If I can understand what they say, I answer it. I do not appoint myself the Grand Grammar Nazi. I let other petty minds do that. And yes, in this instance, I am making a statement about your petty mind, inclusive of Ozarko, et al.

As far as registration, I call "bullshit", wannabe, and mudtrutle. Registration is rarely meant to be the last word. eLwood stated nobody wanted confiscation, but I point out how much of a lie that is, considering there are two laws in two states that propose to do just that. So don't think you sit there and lie to me about registration. Kali is passing tougher laws that will go after those who already have Kali legal 'assault' weapons.

As far as NRA resistance to CDC studies, good on them. Guns aren't a virus or bacteria, they are a tool. There is more important parts of academia that can, and has, studied guns and crime. The NRA is opposed to financing of witch hunts by people with a bone to pick. You have the work of Hemmenway, which is garbage from first page to last. His epidemiology fails since the gun crime does not follow the curve he has laid out for guns per home. Crime data is still the best data to track this kind of violence, not medical crap. You want to find a cure for cancer, see a doctor. You want to address gun violence, see a criminologist, and psychiatrist, and social worker, and a myriad line of other people that have actual relevance in the issue.
Posted by Steven E]]> Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:02:22 -0600 Arkansas Times
After reading the exchange between you and Norma, I would think you might give it a rest. Deffinitely.

And I await your response to Jim of the Plains who calls it right on Mr. Ballinger. In your own words.
Posted by wannabee conservative]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 21:04:07 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by plainjim]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:51:20 -0600 Arkansas Times
Would you prefer to have perfect grammar and flawed logic or the other way around?

Is a turd in fancy wrapping and a tasteful bow preferred over a homemade pie in a Food King sack?

Wayne,
The definitions of conservative and evolve are mutually exclusive.
Posted by Citizen1]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:48:26 -0600 Arkansas Times

"You’re not all THAT ignorant." So you are calling me ignorant as well?


"would the syntax and bad spelling get in the way...." You bet it can.


BTW, I am a gun owner and if registration becomes a requirement (which I doubt will happen) then I will do so with no problem. Why? Because I'm not paranoid about my government. Your shrieking is simply a distraction to the real issue of addressing gun violence.


The NRA is not representative of the majority of gunowners in this country. They are the tool of gun manufacturers to promote and protect their money making ability. They pervert the Second Amendment for their financial gain. Why else would they get Congress to defund any meaningful research into gun violence? Thanks for playing. No more feeding you.
Posted by wannabee conservative]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:27:31 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Wayne Cummins]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:21:16 -0600 Arkansas Times
I have seen better from some, and I believe your one of them.

Put it this way, if we were having a discussion on this matter, would the syntax and bad spelling get in the way of the message being promoted? Hardly. Might bring into stark contrast the language used by some.

I can't always slow down to a tolerable pace, and avoid committing so many errors as to incur the wrath of the Grammar Nazis.

Please, I know you can understand what I wrote as if I told it to your face. You’re not all THAT ignorant. But it does illuminate the chickenshit attitude of so many who will avoid the subject to get in a good rub.

Face it, you know you cannot say gun owners are the fearful ones after some of the pants' wetting from most here when they discuss CCW.

You avoided the reality that Canada is giving up on gun registration as a bad and expensive policy. It was a policy that clearly didn’t not work.

There was the avoidance of the lie I caught when someone claimed there was ONLY registration in the works, and no anti's wanted to take guns. With two links, that are quite easy to click, the intellectuals cowards tucked tail, and tacked anew.

That is why you cannot debate the issue in a calm fashion. That is how you have ChildRoland changing his moniker to use hysterical hyperbole to make ridiculous statements. You cannot discuss it, so you fly off on tangents about spelling and other minor errors.
Posted by Steven E]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:50:15 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Shanta Nunn-Baro]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:45:55 -0600 Arkansas Times
Ask the NRA why nothing else is not being investigated. Ask them why they have actively pursued banning ALL funding for anyone, CDC, NIH, or Universities or anyone else who has an interest in " investigating. "

THE NRA OPPOSES ALL "INVESTIGATION".

In Florida they banned a doctor even "talking" to a patient about guns in the household.

Perhaps research would show that guns purchased by people who grew up with gun were 2000x less likely to kill a child in the household than someone who had never had guns in the household.. That would give you an idea of who might need more instruction on safely storing a gun. Maybe it would show that people buying a gun within 6 weeks of having a spouse diagnosed with dementia where 30x more likely to commit suicide - maybe the family doc could look for sign of depression in people who fit that pattern and treat. Maybe students who had undergone counseling for depression and had transferred colleges twice were the most likely to commit a mass shooting at a college.

That type of research, which is used to investigate myriad problems, MIGHT save lives by identifying patterns.

But we will never know, because the NRA bullied Congress into killing all their funding.

So when you accuse no one of "investigating" admit that the NRA has spiked all attempts to look at the issue of the patterns of gun violence.
Posted by mudturtle]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:36:11 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by wannabee conservative]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:47:31 -0600 Arkansas Times
DBI, you're right. 4 days max. From what I've seen around the country, I'd wager 80% of these guys are built just like mister ballinger above. As soon as they miss their chik-fil-a nuggets while taking their government back from "the gays" (about 5% of the population), poor people, the sick and nursing home residents, they'll lay down their arms quickly.

Spunkrat: Proudly Progressive. Proudly armed (within reason).
Posted by spunkrat]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:29:40 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by ozarkrazo]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:20:42 -0600 Arkansas Times
Don't talk about fear, when many of the posters here treat gn owners like visible and viable threats against their safety. The hypocrsiy is astounding, coming from some of you, though not surprising.
Posted by Steven E]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:48:43 -0600 Arkansas Times
Wonder how many are on the payroll of gun dealers and/or manufacturers, who are making huge profits these days from as smaller and smaller number of people. They are trying to get the women to buy now, since fewer men are buying because they don't hunt like they used to.

Fear, fear, fear - be very very afraid! That's their sales tactic, and from what I can see it's working quite well with many fearful people.
Posted by rablib]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:12:45 -0600 Arkansas Times
But the lie of bans is proven with the new laws in Kali and NY, and with the extreme proposal in Missouri.

http://www.house.mo.gov/billsummary.aspx?b… The Missouri boondoggle.

or this, ban/confiscation/destruction... http://wdoc.house.leg.state.mn.us/leg/LS88…

Anti's never want just regulation. Gellatinous scum, like Dianne Feinstein who hope and pray for mass shootings like Sandy Hook want all out bans and confiscations. To say otherwise is an easily proven lie.
Posted by Steven E]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:12:38 -0600 Arkansas Times
All "anti's" want is regulation, as recommended by Justice Scalia.

One question: Why did the founders even bother with the prefatory clause to the 2nd Amendment? Why didn't they just make it the main, independent clause?

One more question. Why haven't you gun promoters erected a shrine to Nancy Lanza?
Looks like the NRA would, not just because Nancy cherished the 2A and met it head on (so to speak) but because her collection of arms really gave rise to huge firearm sales all across the fruited plains.
Posted by eLwood]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:27:10 -0600 Arkansas Times
I shy away from violent TV shows but there are days that I wish our current secessionists would make a break for it. Our last Civil War lasted 4 years, our next Civil War won't last 4 days because we ain't shooting muskets at other musket shooters now. Modern secessionists won't even have to step out of their houses to get hammered and if they don't care about themselves...at least they need to consider the damage to the many guns they'll leave behind when Mr. Drone passes over their modestly priced bungalow, or double-wide as the case may be.

It's a real bitch that so many modern Americans need to be threatened with death from above in order to make them act OK. But if that's what it takes....I'm all for it. No redneck can be armed enough to even have a ghost of a chance against our Homeland Security super armed authorities. Even our local cops are so weighed down with weapons and electronic gizmos they can hardly walk and I'm just talking about what we can see with our eyes....no telling what else they've got hiding in their back closets. Why not give em a try and find out?

Non-crazy people don't worry about things like that because we don't fantasize "taking our country back" from whoever crazy folks think have stolen it. I'm having no trouble whatsoever from blacks or Mexicans or gays or radical women folks or part time minimum wage earners.

I do worry about gun worshipers just as I worry about other tin-foil on the head Americans. And I worry about our new Koch-ALEC profit worshiping GOP legislators so busy making us the new Florida without beaches but thankfully also without any Huckabees within our borders. At least we have that to be thankful for as we slide down the GOP slope to failure as a state. Lettuce pray!
Posted by DeathbyInches]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:23:07 -0600 Arkansas Times
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2…
Posted by Steven E]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:06:05 -0600 Arkansas Times
When does "non-compliance" becoming "law-breaking", whether we are talking about gun owners, drunk drivers, pimps or drug dealers?.

"Ole Joe was stopped by the game warden for hunting baited holes and ignoring bag limits." "Well it was a good thing he was just being "non-compliant and not breaking the law"
Posted by mudturtle]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:41:25 -0600 Arkansas Times
1) they just shut up as they cant argue against the facts
2) they dump pathetic one-liners with inaacurate pathetic demonization of those they cant develop a logical response to refute
3) they go psycho on-line
4) they try in a polite fashion to convince you you are wrong repeating the same failed idiocy again and again as if the continuous repeating of the lie will somehow change it to be true.

All of those are perfectly acceptable results.

Besides, why should we waste our time being grammatically correct to the few creatures whose intellect is lower than a simple primate (the chimps called and complained we had insulted them by comparing you antis intellect to them, and you know, they were right) as that would be a waste of time.

Besides, as noted above defining the law/rules of English Composition, and since your too stupid to understand the facts of English Composition of a complex sentence, then their isnt any hope for fixing your stupid problem. You should probably just go out and shoot yourself in utter frustration, but please dont go postal like your heroes have!

Past experience with gun control leaders such as Annette "Flirty" Stevens (Illinois Million Mom March president caught with drugs and a de-serialized handgun), Sheila Eccleston (Mothers Against Violence, imprisoned for possessing a sawed-off shotgun), James Kelly (Seattle Urban League anti-gunner caught brandishing a handgun during an argument), Bart Stupak (champion of mandatory federal trigger locks whose son later committed suicide with dad's unlocked gun), and Barbara Graham (DC Million Mom March activist convicted of a revenge shooting of an innocent person who HADN'T killed her son) suggests that frustrated gun control activists tend to go out with a bang rather than a whimper.

The moral is, if you ever happen to come across Dennis Henigan, and couldntbedumber, 70%limp, zebedumbas of this world take cover. You don't want to be at Ground Zero when they go postal and its not a matter of if, its a matter of when!”

Our only purpose is to make sure those others not arguing review the data and see who is the emotional cripple and who has actual facts on their side (anti gun extremists never seem to have those GOVT. facts to defend their position).

http://violentflashmobs.com

Speaking of violent lefties, one only has to review all these examples of flash mobs over the last 5 years, mostly in letist entitelment paradises, yet the government doesnt want to identify these as terrorist attacks, hmmm.

http : // www . cfr . org / terrorist-organizations / militant-extremists-united-states / p9236



Oh whats this, another report 

LEFT-WING GROUPS: The FBI states leftist extremist groups"generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the "dehumanizing effects" of capitalism and imperialism." From 1960 to the mid-1980s, most acts of extremist violence were committed by leftist factions like the Weather Underground. A wellspring of disaffected, radical youth with ideological roots in the civil rights, women's liberation, and anti-war movements provided these groups with much of their militant fervor. This resulted in 364 violent leftist terrorist attacks vs 58 righties since 1970.

Wow, that means that lefties are 7 times inherently more violent than righties.

You should be proud of what you are, pathological lying sociopaths who want and demand violence to achieve your agenda!

Even though violence has been in a marked decline since the 1990's and a successful FBI infiltration campaign in leftist organizations in the mid-1980s, the govt. has now recategorized most violent leftist activities to be SINGLE-ISSUE GROUPS. Single-issue Left wing extremists attack targets that embody distinct political issues like environmental degradation, abortion, genetic engineering, or animal abuse. These groups are usually composed of small, autonomous cells that are hard to infiltrate because of rigid secrecy. According to the FBI, so-called eco-terrorists and animal rights groups like the Earth Liberation Front have committed over two thousand crimes and caused losses of over $110 million since 1979. Ecological extremism (BaltimoreSun)gained particular notoriety in the 1990s, and in 2004 the FBI declared these groups the No. 1 domestic terrorism threat. Anti-abortion extremists are responsible for seven murders, forty-one bombings, and 173 acts of arson in the U.S. and Canada since 1977, according to the National Abortion Federation, an abortion rights group. While much of this violencepeaked in the 1990s (PDF), the 2009 murder of Dr. George Tiller (NYT) served as a reminder of the threat still posed by these factions and gun control is just another "single issue leftist group" that as show above, is prone to violent attacks when they invariably snap!

It is only a matter of time before the anti gun freaks are correctly labeled as terrorists as it is their inherent nature1



http : // start . umd . edu / start / publications / research_briefs / LaFree_Bersani_HotSpotsOfUSTerrorism . pdf



http://start.umd.edu/start/publications/re…

Of course what isnt presented is all those individual leftist attacks which the govt. now identifies as terrorism so lets see if we can find the report showing you lefties are still uber violent! 

Oh wait, you go to Table #7, page 24, and it has a table identifying such rates, and geez, you leftiest single issue terrorists are still killing, in fact the govt. has failed in this report to identify such leftist leaning twits in the 364, wonder why that is since single issue terrorist attacks have seem to replaced and accounted for 40 attacks in 1990's & 47 attacks in 2000's.

One would think a person serious about knowing the truth, would ask whether those 87 were lefties or righties, want to find out?

I mean we dont see any violence from PETA or Tree Huggers now do we, LOL!

Heck, even your hero Donner, the rogue ex LA cop, who showed how to be such a thorn in Law Enforcements side that he had police & federal resources going bonkers for a week, showing yet again that resistance isnt futile and the police are neither perfect (shot what 2 or 3 people by ACCIDENT during the week long man hunt), who wrote in his LA manifesto was a blue print of leftist nuttery! That was only 1 person,lol!

The Fed's cant even control 40 mil illegal aliens, yet you think they will control 350 mil firearms, ROTFLMFOA, ROTFLMFAO, ROTFLMFOA, ROTFLFMAO.

So until you refute those facts above with actual GOVT. facts, all you poor widdle antis will be able to do is want and wave as all good widdle Saul Alinsky devotees have been programmed to do in their sociopathic selfish projection of their inherent stockholme syndrome whines of being a victim when they never are!

We understand, it is your primal sadomasochistic need boiling over to tell everyone what they can or can not do, just wike your master instwucted such good widdle sheeple to do.
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Posted by I_AM_THE_NRA]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:32:01 -0600 Arkansas Times Posted by Barry Hirsh]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:23:30 -0600 Arkansas Times
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Posted by eLwood]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:18:15 -0600 Arkansas Times
There is also the other fact that the high rate of non-compliance by gun owners has made a joke of the Canadian gun laws. They never had a problem with them, then they made these idiotic laws, and nothing happened except people lost respect for the laws.

A third thing that has happened is some high profile cases of self defense with guns, including, in one case, an AR being used to defend a home.
Posted by Steven E]]> Mon, 18 Feb 2013 11:49:40 -0600 Arkansas Times