Dillard's race-based pricing
Court TV has details on Dillard's response to a federal lawsuit complaining about higher prices charged black customers in the department store chain's hair salon in Montgomery, Ala.
A defense brief submitted in Alabama federal court cites numerous supposed characteristics of black hair that make treating it more "time consuming and technically demanding than fulfilling the minimal (or non-existent) conditioning needs" of the typical white customer.
Vaughan Thomas, who filed the suit, tells Court TV that "hair is hair" and the price should be the same for everyone.
Added her lawyer, Patrick Cooper:
"It's amazing to me that a Fortune 500 company would use this kind of pseudo-science in court to prove that it takes longer to wash African-American hair," Cooper said.
"The day they can show me that every black woman in the country has the same hair is the day I'll ask the judge to dismiss the case immediately."







Comments
Dillards has lost this one.
Posted by: JD | April 26, 2006 12:53 PM
Dillards has lost this one.
Posted by: JD | April 26, 2006 12:53 PM
So why does the pet groomer get away with charging more to do a curly-haired poodle than to do a straight-haired Dachshund?
Posted by: Don Keyhotay | April 26, 2006 12:57 PM
hmmm....this all sounds familiar. I guess somebody is fishing for some more quota freebies.
Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2006 01:00 PM
Dillards needs to show that they assess the needs of individual clients before setting a price. Vaughn's lawyers need to show that the decision to charge her more was made ONLY with knowledge of her race.
It should be noted that in many states, stylists get separate certifications for "white" and "black" hair.
Posted by: monkeywhacked | April 26, 2006 01:03 PM
Seems to me like they should be able to fight it. The question should be--can you do black hair using the same steps, procedures, etc. that you use on white hair?
Posted by: CJ | April 26, 2006 01:09 PM
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Posted by: Patrick, Pocahontas | April 26, 2006 01:20 PM
Having a court adjudicate the setting of prices in the market place is the kind of nonsense that you find too often today. Only a litigous obsessed culture would do something so ridiculous.
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Posted by: jb | April 26, 2006 01:22 PM
Beauticians charge different prices for different hair lengths/styles/color all the time. I guess I'm missing something.
Posted by: suzie | April 26, 2006 01:24 PM
The only thing that you are missing is that someone wants something for nothing. Victimhood is alive and well.
Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2006 01:30 PM
As I recall. it wasn't too long ago that African-American males successfully argued against an institution's requirement that all males be clean shaven - the point being their hair was much different and shaving it caused various skin problems.
Lets be consistent here. Which is it? Is it the same or not?
Posted by: Don Keyhotay | April 26, 2006 01:52 PM
Does the comment counter doodad work on this thing?
It still says "0" posts - looks like there's more than that on this thread.
Or is it just counting what AT considers "meaningful comments"?
If so, it should be 2, no make that 3 with this one.
Posted by: Don Keyhoitay | April 26, 2006 01:57 PM
Comment counter seems fine to me. Maybe you need to refresh your browser?
Posted by: Patrick, Pocahontas | April 26, 2006 03:00 PM
Wow, so what I am confused about is how many black women were forced to get their hair cut at Dillards? It seems to me that if Dillards post it's prices they can charge whoever whatever they want, after all it is their store. The issue is they feel they are providing a different service to different people. They should be able to charge different prices if they want.
So if you don'y like the price go somewhere else. I wonder if the salons in Little Rock that advertise they specaliize in black womens hair give a discount to white women???
Maybe its time for a lawsuit.
Posted by: REL | April 26, 2006 07:58 PM
The ignorant hidden racist rants on this blog just amazes. Go to SEC filings and look at the long list of lawsuits that have been filed against Dillard's concerning their history of treating black customers differently. And what does a black men's shaving habits have to do with black's women hair. Absolutely nothing.
There is this whole white male belief that most blacks are looking for handouts, quotas or some affirmative action-based job.
That fallacy has created this a whole generation of imaginary black folk that are filing lawsuits and taking away jobs from the poor white folk.
I challenge any person on this board to name one black person THEY KNOW that has been given special treatment for a government contract or a corporate executive job. There are none, so shut the hell up about things you no nothing about.
Posted by: dillard's history | April 27, 2006 10:06 AM
I didn't see any "hidden" racist remarks-seems to me like they were all out in the open, and it is a blog and you are free to express your opinion. You can ask any beautician, black and white hair are 100% different and black hair is much harder to manage than white. It's a FACT. It should cost more, just as white women get charged more for services on longer hair. It's all business. It's how the world works.
Posted by: Donna | April 27, 2006 02:06 PM
Donna,
Obviously you can't read or comprehend English. Nothing in my comments had anything to do with people's hair, black or white. My concerns were with Dillard's well-documented history of discrimination, not a small lawsuit about folk's hiar. Racist like you see a black threat on every corner when there are none that exist. By hidden racist, I mean .... awe hell, you wouldn't understand.
Posted by: dillard's history | April 27, 2006 03:01 PM
Hey Dillard's History,
Racists like you see a racial slight everywhere you look if you go looking for it.
Since you are making broad statements accusing others of being racists I am making a guess that you are one yourself.
Posted by: Citizen | April 27, 2006 05:04 PM
Dillard's history,
The answer is yes; I know one person who was given special treatment (actually a much coveted graduate assistant position). I also know she wasn't remotely qualified; and her attitude stunk to high heavens. Now, I am a believer in 'institutional' remedies for 'institutional' wrongs so please don't misread or misinterpret my answer. You asked a question and I answered.
Lumping an entire group under one big racist label 'cause...well, for whatever reason is wrong. As a flaming liberal who has a life-long history of battling discrimination/sexism at all levels, I get especially irritated when my opinions are labeled as racist simply because some one's not in agreement with my view.
Dillards having a long history of racism is one thing (and may be a part of the referenced hair suit); the simple act of charging different prices for different hair is another. I'm well aware that I may be missing something in relation to this specific situation; and, as always, opinions often change according to the facts and/or circumstances. But as I stated earlier, every beautician I've ever went to charges different prices for different hair lengths/styles/colors. Heck, within any given area the price of a 'do' can vary widely...and race has nothing to do with those facts.
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Donna,
The points made about people getting charged more for longer hair would be valid if Dillard's also charges by length. But - if Dillard's charged the same amount for long or short Caucasian hair (whether its bone straight or wavy/curly) and a different about for any length of African American hair (whether it's been chemically straightened or it's an afro) then to me that is definitely discrimination.
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