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Defining Hillary

Washington Post: Hillary Clinton is a politician not easily defined. (Maybe what they really mean is that she's a politician not easy to fit into a one-size-fits narrative. Reporters hate that.)

Hillary Rodham Clinton has fashioned a political persona that generates intense passions but defies easy characterization. She is viewed as a hawk on Iraq and national security, stamped as a big-government Democrat for her work on health care in the 1990s, and depicted as seeking the middle ground on abortion.

After three decades in public life, New York's junior senator is one of the most recognized women in the world, her every move and utterance interpreted amid the assumption in Democratic circles and her own circle that her reelection campaign this fall will pivot into a run for president in 2008. Yet for all her fame, there are missing pieces to the Clinton puzzle: What does she stand for? And where would she try to take the country if elected?

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It must be a slow news day. AT is doing another Hillary article. Let's see. We don't call those who don't embrace her 'opponents' we call them Hillary 'haters'. Why do we give her that special designation?

Yet for all her fame, there are missing pieces to the Clinton puzzle: What does she stand for? And where would she try to take the country if elected?

We could certainly ask the same questions about John McCain, and most other potential candidates.

I dare say most of the country hasn't a clue what Mike Huckabee stands for, or where he would take the country, yet they're even playing footsie with him.

Oh, please!!!! Mrs. Clinton's voting record is not ambiguous. It is clearly liberal according to the ADA rating. The whole point of this nonsense is to allow her to shed her liberal image. She must appear to be 'centrist' to get elected. Again, the AT loves to assist her in any way it can along with the rest of the MSM.

Reference 'Hillary Rodham Clinton has fashioned a political persona that generates intense passions but defies easy characterization'.

That's a good reason to support her. Her mean spirited and flustered adversaries are going to skew her ever utterance and attempt to polarize her on ever major issue. She's keenly aware of that tired and obsolete GOP swift boat strategy and seems to be orchestrating her positions so as not to be cemented into some obscure irreversible position or corner.

If anything Hillary is smart, canny, experienced, scarred and calloused from 8 years as first lady! She's using this experience to clarify her positions in and on ever issue knowing full well that you can't please everyone all the time and that you have to accept the fact that irregardless of what you do you are going to win some and lose some. For instance what would you do?

On abortion -- she's for the sanctity of all life and that means mother and child! The right wing prances around yelling "pro-choicer's are baby killers" which means that GOP anti-choicer's promote mommie killing. Bully for her!

On OMG the Evolution debacle. She's Methodist/Christian so what will her position be and what would yours be? Knowing Hillary she will think hard on the issue and it may please me or it may not. I'm a diehard Darwinist supporter but that doesn't mean I don't listen to the wrong sided and/or Intelligent Designer folks.

It's time for a determined and strong, but compassionate, female in the White House. I don't know about all the other career veterans but I resented the coward-in-chief yesterday when he dishonored those who served. To me he dishonors all those who honorably served and died for Bush to even set foot in Arlington Cemetery. He hid like a coward during the Vietnam War, seeking refuge in the Texas Air Guard and then compounding the insult by not even completing his assigned duties in that non-combat unit.

Mrs. Clinton stands for the one thing that this country does not want or need and she will not get thirty percent of the vote...that one thing is higher taxes ..... that is good in that it will send McCain-Huckabee into the White House and then hopefully the fair tax movement can get get rid of the income tax and replace it with the consumption tax. .

"After three decades in public life, New York's junior senator is one of the most recognized women in the world" And that is the reason that in spite of the right wing venoms she will be the Democratic nominee and our next President. Like, get over it!

As Gore Vidal pointed out long ago, anyone who gets the nomination of either of the major political parties has been bought many times over, so it's not as though we're going to get anything other than a whore in the White House. And it's not as though the idiot masses realize this, let alone can/will do anything to reform our thoroughly rotten system of government. So, go ahead all you silly people and snipe at one another over the virtues/vices of Hillary Clinton v. John McCain or whomever. It's like watching a bunch of bald men fight over a comb. Oh, and have a nice day!

Re: "What does Huckabee stand for?"

Answer: Himself

She did such a wonderful job reforming health care!!

She was so smart in the futures market!!!

And who can you right wing nuts blame for the inevitable - - George W. Bush & Co. How much lower can he go?

It's very, very telling that when a woman gets talked about for possible presidency, she gets called a whore. I think "Get a Life" needs to get one. How many men who have gotten the nomination have you called a whore? Or do you have a special name for them? Men can be powerful, strong, sharp, even manipulative and crooked, but women are whores.

Hillary and Bill share something else besides Chelsea :they're both unabashed corporate whores!
Should the Dems select another guaranteed loser, we deserve another GOP total moron.

Hillary and Bill share something else besides Chelsea :they're both unabashed corporate whores!
Should the Dems select another guaranteed loser, we deserve another GOP total moron.

Hillary and Bill share something else besides Chelsea :they're both unabashed corporate whores!
Should the Dems select another guaranteed loser, we deserve another GOP total moron.

Most men would not be considered qualified for the most powerful executive position in the world if their primary qualification was being married to someone else. Mrs. Clinton is well known because of who she is married to. Outside of that experience you would never have heard of her if she hadn't been Bill Clinton's wife.

As for the frequently heard comment that 'it is about time we let a woman be President', please spare me. Let's just do away with elections and make it a quota job rotating it among the various aggrieved groups.

She did such a wonderful job reforming health care!! Posted by: Irene

It certainly needs reform, and she certainly tried to make needed reforms.

Unfortunately, the American people bought the lies spread by the insurance industry in their TV ads, turning against the plan without knowing the facts.

It's about time (past time) for some more public regulation of the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. They are too powerful in Washington and their self-serving actions do more harm to America than any terrorist.

How many men who have gotten the nomination have you called a whore? Or do you have a special name for them?

Posted by: CJ | May 30, 2006 09:30 AM

Take a chill pill, CJ, I'm no sexist--I just alluded to all presidential nominees as a 'whores,' regardless of gender. A little less hysteria and a little more scrutiny on your part would do you good. I know, I know, I just referred to you as 'hysterical' because I'm under the impression that you're female. Beat you to it!

Mrs. Clinton is well known because of who she is married to. Outside of that experience you would never have heard of her if she hadn't been Bill Clinton's wife. Posted by: Dr. Strangelove

George W. Bush is well known because of who his father is. Outside of that experience you would never have heard of him if he hadn't been GHW Bush's son.

Ronald W. Reagan was well known because of his Hollywood celebrity. Outside of that experience you would never have heard of him on GE Theatre and he would never have been Governor of California or President.

Everybody on the national scene has their own reasons for getting into the spotlight. Once there, though, they keep the spotlight on their own.

Pat Nixon and Barbara Bush were President's wives. Nobody ever considered them for the Presidency. Hillary is obviously different, and the difference is based on how own abilities, not those of her husband.

Dr. Strangelove has a point. After 2 terms of George W. Bush, I'm all for abolishing the office of President and making all future decisions by 5 math professors from the college of your choice.

See, 1 guy could shake that Magic 8 ball and the other 4 guys could read the answer to the nation. Give 10 billion this month to the big oil companies...shake shake shake.....YES!

Do we care about the poor, sick and elderly this month? shake shake shake..........NO! Will we send more armor for the troops in Iraq this month? shake shake shake.......NO! Will we ride our bike? shake shake shake........YES! Was Laura's cookies good? shake shake shake.........YES! Torture some more of them brown people? shake shake shake....YES! Is our children learning? shake shake shake.......NO! Is Karl's hand on my penis again? shake shake shake shake shake.........shake...

"After three decades in public life, New York's junior senator is one of the most recognized women in the world" And that is the reason that in spite of the right wing venoms she will be the Democratic nominee and our next President. Like, get over it!"

Jim, obviously you belong to one of the 'lace on their underwear' brigades. Your acceptance of her for President due to the fact that she is so 'recognized' is, unfortunately, one of the dirty little truths of politics----name recognition. However, I'm not sure I see any relationship between popularity and the ability to handle the job.

death i see you skipped over commenting on the story below. Your boy harry caught red handed/

PLEASE!!!!! George Bush and Ronald Reagan had been Governors of large states before they were considered for President. They had some executive experience. Hillary was a first lady----hardly equivalent. Your inability to discern the difference is what makes you so dangerous.

"However, I'm not sure I see any relationship between popularity and the ability to handle the job."

George W. Bush

Popularity 32%

Ability to handle the job Cannot find own ass.

I think I see a giant connection between popularity and the ability to handle the job.

It is interesting that none of the Hillary supporters ever cite her legilative accomplishments in the Senate. Why is that?

I have said 100 times I hate Democrat crooks as much as Republicans. I was about to rain all over Harry until the last post by Gary who provided a link to a story about Harry getting these tickets from the State Gaming Commission. A state giving a Senator tickets is perfectly legal.

So, I will wait and see if the truth can be determined before I bash Harry Reid. I am for a zero gift rule for everyone in public office. No one gives me a damn thing, why should any public official get anything for free from anyone they're not sleeping with? ZERO gifts means ZERO!

I think I see a giant connection between popularity and the ability to handle the job.

I see, genius. So if I use your logic then Harry S. Truman was an incompetent----His rating was 22%. Lincoln wasn't exactly swimming in popular support in 1864. He was almost replaced.

I'm not pushing Bush. I'm just asking a very basic question. Why would you consider someone for President whose Resume consists of having held one elected legislative position and nothing else.

All I'm saying to you Hillary supporters is this. Don't try and sell her for the Presidency because she was first lady or because she is a woman. If that qualifies one then why shouldn't we vote for Bess Truman or Mamie Eisenhower or Pat Nixon or (heaven help us) Rosalyn Carter. They all are equally qualified using that standard.

"On OMG the Evolution debacle. She's Methodist/Christian so what will her position be and what would yours be?"

As a longtime member of the United Methodist Church, I feel safe in saying that Hillary's religious background encourages independent thought in this area. Most Methodists of my experience do not interpret the story of Adam and Eve in a literal manner. We also do not discount evolution, although we tend to see God's hand in it.

Why don't we talk about her pushing a bill to allow convicted felons to vote? Somehow the MSM ignores this. AT, why do you conveniently ignore this?

ARK. BLOG Dr. Strangelove protests too much.

Anyone unhappy with this administratione needs to look at the sheer hatred of the conservative trolls toward Hillary and realize that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

Dr. Strangelove protests too much.


AT, methinks that you like to 'stack the deck'.

"Anyone unhappy with this administratione needs to look at the sheer hatred of the conservative trolls toward Hillary and realize that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'."

Why do you characterize someone who has a problem with Hillary as a 'hater'? Only the Clintons insist on this characterization. Unlike everyone else on the political spectrum who considers those who disagree as opponents, the Clintons label them as 'haters'. It never occurred to me that those who opposed Jimmy Carter were doing so because they hated him. They just disagreed with his politics.

There is something wrong with convicted felons voting other than it gets your bowels in an uproar? We have unconvicted felons in the White House, Congress and SC, and we sit by and watch our contry's leaders commit treason daily. What damages are a few worthless votes going to do that we haven't already done? Another election charade is not worth any speculation. Open the prisons. Send all the felons to D.C. We are not exactly on the road to progress and sustainability here. Let's satisfy the NRA and issue weapons to everyone, count to ten and open fire. Life is greatly over-rated. Look around you. Most of the flesh you see would be much more useful as compost....then, again, there is hope, isn't there?

"unconvicted felons" is an oxymoron. Conviction by a court of law constitutes a convicted felon. Anything else is just political hogwash.

They had some executive experience. Hillary was a first lady----hardly equivalent. Your inability to discern the difference is what makes you so dangerous. Posted by: Dr. Strangelove

It's nice to be considered dangerous. I return the compliment.

But your original point was that she was only famous because of her marriage, and that's all I responded to.

Stop changing the subject. Reagan and Bush would never have been governors except for fame that came from relatives or Hollywood.

So you're limiting Presidential candidates to what? Only people with executive experience who came onto the national scene without any prior notoriety. Why should we limit our choices to that?

I couldn't be considered qualfied for the CEO of a company unless I had some prior management experience at a high level. You would not consider a technician with no business experience in a mangement position.

It is not just that she lacks executive experience but she has only held ONE elected positon. We are talking about the highest executive position in the land. To be considered you must have had some pretty high level related experience. First lady just doesn't cut it.

"It's time for a determined and strong, but compassionate, female in the White House. I don't know about all the other career veterans but I resented the coward-in-chief yesterday when he dishonored those who served. To me he dishonors all those who honorably served and died for Bush to even set foot in Arlington Cemetery. He hid like a coward during the Vietnam War, seeking refuge in the Texas Air Guard and then compounding the insult by not even completing his assigned duties in that non-combat unit."

Not that your first line and the rest of your post have anything in common. But I am a vet and spent 10 years active in the Air Force including 8 months in the sand during desert shield/storm. I have no resentment over Bush going to honor those who gave their lives. We all make choices in our lives and then we move on. Bush was by far not the only rich white kid to get a guard job.

He also stands tall every day to answer for decisions. You may not like the answers but that is far from a "coward" that hides out on a blog.

"I'm not pushing Bush. I'm just asking a very basic question. Why would you consider someone for President whose Resume consists of having held one elected legislative position and nothing else."

Oh, one elected legislative position...would that be like Governor George W. Bush? Am I forgetting maybe he was dogcatcher before he was elected Governor of Texas and then elected President of the United Freaking States?

But again Dr. has a point. As horrible as Bush has been since elected, we might require our next President to have been elected to.....oh say 11 other offices....I like the number 11, that's why I picked it. I wish the Duggars only had 11 kids...I like 11.

And by god I wish we had a chance to vote for Bess Truman. She'd take her broom and start cleaning up Congress. Jack Abramoff's funny hat would look even funnier if Bess had put 11 knots on his head.

President Hill-Bill is the only chance for this nation to recover from the gang-raping of the Bush administration. Go Hillary!

"I think I see a giant connection between popularity and the ability to handle the job."

WOW!! I read your posts (rants) from time to time and think although twisted there is some amount of IQ involved most of the time. But that has to rank in the top 10 of all time moron/stupid statements. I mean comeon do we make T-O or Tom Cruise president??? How about this whoever wins American Idol gets to be the Governer of their state!!!

I think you need a barb-wire hat DBI.

"Why do you characterize someone who has a problem with Hillary as a 'hater'? Only the Clintons insist on this characterization."

Dr. Strangelove, anyone so obsessed with attacking Hillary as you qualifies as a "hater".

Note that even as you defend yourself, you work in a jab at the Clintons.

REL, please stop taking the medicine Dr. Strangelove has prescribed and look at it this way. One would think if a person was doing an excellent job they would rise in popularity.

I think Bush sucking the murky bottom in the popularity polls is directly connected to his piss poor performance in office. Are you blaming his poor numbers on that radical left wing media again? Or has America just fallen out of love with his smirk? Bush has done nothing right in his life. It's finally catching up with him. Maybe someday he'll be punished for the war criminal he is.

I have no idea who T-O is and I think Tom Cruise is gay.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions. All Hillary needs to be qualified for you clowns is to be a female and a liberal. All those years when she could have been out there running for public office and taking the risks with everyone else and getting some experience weren't necessary. All she had to do is throw her bonnet in the ring and say 'I'm qualified' and all of you would vote for her.

When Bill was running for President he would always characterize those who disagreed with him as being jealous. I have followed elections since Eisenhower and I have never heard that expressed by a candidate before. The Clintons love to personalize opposition. I guess when you don't have a valid positon you are left with that.

I couldn't be considered qualified for the CEO of a company unless I had some prior management experience at a high level. You would not consider a technician with no business experience in a management position. Posted by: Dr. Strangelove

You continue to operate under this idea that the President is a full-time working executive, running things in minute detail, requiring years of management experience. A few were, like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. These men were well known for doing their homework and spending a lot of time, perhaps too much time, running the executive branch.

But a good many (most?) of our Presidents were delegating those details to folks they hire. They get advice, decide on the basic direction they want to take, then go jogging. They leave the details to the underlings. Reagan and GW Bush are well known for operating this way.

I think anybody able to win the election, executive experience or not, can make a fine President. The job is more about setting direction, using the Bully Pulpit, and keeping up appearances than actual day-to-day executive management.

With all those years working with a governor and a President, Hillary may be over-qualified.

"But again Dr. has a point. As horrible as Bush has been since elected, we might require our next President to have been elected to.....oh say 11 other offices....I like the number 11, that's why I picked it. I wish the Duggars only had 11 kids...I like 11."

I've got a better idea than that. What don't we just say that they need to be married to a past president and that qualifies them. Assuming of course that they are female and liberal.

"But a good many (most?) of our Presidents were delegating those details to folks they hire. They get advice, decide on the basic direction they want to take, then go jogging. They leave the details to the underlings. Reagan and GW Bush are well known for operating this way."

That is what a CEO does. He doesn't handle the details. He provides leadership and direction. However, it takes depth and breadth and a lot of years of management experience to be able to do that.

Hillary overqualified! I don't think so.

All I can say is with the logic he uses, I hope Dr. Strangelove's patients are dogs and cats.

We can save a lot of pixels if everyone just agrees that Dr. Strangelove a few others hate Hillary Clinton and would love to see her head on a pike. I can understand that, I'd like to see 2 pikes decorated with the heads of Bush and Cheney.

But my hate comes from what Bush & Cheney have done. Dr's hate comes from what he thinks Hillary will do in the future. George W. Bush proves that anyone, any living thing can be President. He's proved he's a decider! Only he decides it all wrong. Poor us.....Poor US. Go Hillary!

Wow, it's astonishing how many right wingers love to Hillary bash. Every place I see her name mentioned, they go to frothing at the mouth.

I would vote for her just to watch their heads explode.

Well, I would hate to think that I voted for someone for President based upon their level of estrogen.

"Well, I would hate to think that I voted for someone for President based upon their level of estrogen. "

I guess that sums you up pretty well, Doc. I don't even have to explain. I'm with DBI...no more wasting pixels on you...

Whiny kids grow up to be conservative, according to this new study, but 10 seconds of reading this blog would lead one to the same conclusion.

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/14345/Why_Kids_Grow_Up_Conservative

Thank God that someone is standing up for felons, and for giving us the vote. I intend to vote for Hillary in as many states as I can get to in one day!!!

Convicted felons and illegal aliens---the future for the democratic party

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