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Hog football in toe jam (UPDATE)

We heard through the grapevine that Razorback tailback Darren McFadden was involved in a bar fight in Little Rock last night and hurt his toe.

Sure enough, a press release issued this morning by the University of Arkansas athletic department says McFadden today had surgery on a joint in his left toe and "will be sidelined for several weeks". He is "doubtful" for the Sept. 2 season opener against USC.

Guess we won't see this again:

UPDATE: A reader leaves a comment with a link to the AP story filed this afternoon, which has some additional information. Turns out it was a bar fight after all:

McFadden got into a fight at 4:20 a.m. Saturday in the parking lot of Palace the Club, a Little Rock private club, according to a police report. The fight was still going on, and a crowd was watching, when officers arrived.

McFadden told police he didn't know the person with whom he was fighting, the report said. He was then taken to a hospital for treatment.

Comments

Not true for the cause of the injury. HDN is such a strong disciplinarian no player would even think about stepping out of line.....*wink*

What a dumbass.

guess kids will be kids. shades of cedric cobbs. all the talent in the world but......

guess kids will be kids. shades of cedric cobbs. all the talent in the world but......

Before we spend the people's money scholarshipping any more of these guys and spending stewpots full of money on the athletic programns, I think there should be a mandatory medical test for each scholarshipped athlete to confirm existence of a brain functioning above the jkindergarten level.

Thanks for ruining the season, jackass.

Is he 21? If not what was he doing at a bar?

What bar? Who was the fight with? Who won? Any discipline for being underage and fighting in a bar? Any legal problems? Anybody even care?

Wally Hall, please please tell us all.

"The Palace"
F*cking idiot!!!


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/ncaa/07/29/mcfadden.arkansas.ap/

You can't run with a bad big toe. This may affect the entire season.

what a great role model!

Darren,
Sorry about last night. Had a few too many, and ended up with a girl (I think) that had some major curves. I'm still kind of worried about that adam's apple, though.

Anyway, I digress. Hope you got home O.K. Hit me up next time we're both in the Rock!

GOD. DAMN. IT.

What a dumb ass.... When are these guys going to learn without football they are nothing.
Call Houston......Hello Houston..... We have a dumbass here..... What do we do.... Houston.... We need to call uncle Frank and gather for prayer.... Hello Houston..... Have you lost your mind???? Houston.... You make $1 Mil a year and you can't teach you boys shit.... Houston???? When will these guys learn????

Can't a guy in college get in a bar scrap without the entire state coming down on him? And why should Houston Nutt be responsible? Football ought to be completely irrelevent to the matter.

Ah, the Palace...what great memories of a nice relaxing atmosphere to sip a mint julep on the veranda.

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/89002

And some people wondered why there was opposition to the open-until-5-a.m. club proposed for University Mall. If not having the venue keeps even one barroom brawl from happening, it's worth it.

Roland's got this one right.

Oh....NO.....

We suck again....!!

Bad news, indeed...we are stacked at tailback, though. I hear Michael Smith is on fire.

It's a damn shame that all this kid is worth to you is a win in a damn game. You're loving him as long as he's winning for you dumbasses. What stupid shit did you do at his age? Did we hear all this when that stupid ass pro football player wrecked his damn motorcycle without a helmet. Get off Darren's ass!

Redshirt. A toe will cost him the whole season.

"Football ought to be completely irrelevent to the matter."--Roland

And a bj ought to be completely irrelevent to the matter [being president]?

It's a damn shame that all this kid is worth to you is a win in a damn game. You're loving him as long as he's winning for you dumbasses - Anon.
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So what do we mean to him?

+A free education.

+Free top-flight athletic training.

+Fast track to a likely pro career and millions of dollars.

+Everyone on campus idolizes you.

+The state worships you and praises you on daily on radio and TV.

And what do you do - ignore the few rules that you have to abide by and bar hop and get your butt kicked right before the first and potentially biggest game of the season.

Looks like we have all been lavishing praise and benefits on someone who doesn't give a flying f . . ., er frisbee.

In big-time sports, you're only as good as your last game. GAME OVER!

Don Keyhotay that's what you want. You sound like a person with athlete envy. Did you miss this in your game playing days? That is, if you played ball. The one that criticize the most is the one that never played sports. Was he prepared for someone to attack him? I think he stated he was fighting someone he didn't know.

Billy Moore punched a prof. Loyd Phillips kicked eveyone's ass, except Glen Ray Hines, on and off the field. Most of these guys aren't choir boys. They play a man's game and their mistakes are amplified way beyond proportion.

And yes getting a bj while President is irrelevant and some would say required since the guy has his finger on THE BUTTON. Just don't get caught and then if you do, don't look the country in the eye and lie about it.

This incident is just another example of Houston's players over the years. While it is regrettable that DM is injured, the incident is just one more in a long line with more to come. By the way, the Palace is less than a mile from the upcoming new Hog football warehouse, Arkansas Baptist College. Fritz and Rip could not control their athletes in their previous positions but maybe this setting will be different :-).

The kid gets in a fight and screws up. The entire Hog football team is not contigent upon his success. If he misses a few games, so be it. Ultimately he's screwed himself. Onward and upward, I say.

This incident is just another example of Houston's players over the years. While it is regrettable that DM is injured, the incident is just one more in a long line with more to come. By the way, the Palace is less than a mile from the upcoming new Hog football warehouse, Arkansas Baptist College. Fritz and Rip could not control their athletes in their previous positions but maybe this setting will be different :-).

This incident is just another example of Houston's players over the years. While it is regrettable that DM is injured, the incident is just one more in a long line with more to come. By the way, the Palace is less than a mile from the upcoming new Hog football warehouse, Arkansas Baptist College. Fritz and Rip could not control their athletes in their previous positions but maybe this setting will be different :-).

This incident is just another example of Houston's players over the years. While it is regrettable that DM is injured, the incident is just one more in a long line with more to come. By the way, the Palace is less than a mile from the upcoming new Hog football warehouse, Arkansas Baptist College. Fritz and Rip could not control their athletes in their previous positions but maybe this setting will be different :-).

Did you miss this in your game playing days? That is, if you played ball. The one that criticize the most is the one that never played sports. - Anon
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Yep, I played - Not good enough for a scholarship though.

Envy? You bet! I would love to have had that talent and those opportunities. But that wasn't the case so I worked my way through college - no scholarships for Joe Average.

Unfortunately, Darren sounds like just another immature kid, not ready for the big time and the bright lights, who may have now really wasted his opportunity.

So, is this his fault for wasting his chance or is it the fans' fault for putting the spotlight on him when he isn't mature enough to handle it?

Well, Raw Deal, if you remember all that (and more) about Billy Moore, et al, then you are in my generation. I too remember that, the snow fights, and stolen tests (ala Alworth) and much more.....and none of it made the news. But, back then they didn't report a lot of things, in sports, politics, religion and so forth. Don't know which I like better. Then or now.

Then.

It doesn't really matter if McFadden plays or not. The Trojans will come down there and kick the Hogs ass by 5 or 6 touchdowns anyway...McFadden or not!

Probably, maybe it will be a little closer than that.

Seems to me I remember that Loyd Phillips also beat up Jim Guy Tucker on a parking lot somewhere on Razorback Rd.. -- or maybe that was just a rumor. However, the new details about this fight seem to make this a little more understandable, that McFadden was trying to stop a car theft when he was injured.

And how can anyone make a logical connection between this incident and Fitz and Rip?

This may be the end of McFadden's career. Big-toe injuries are serious business. An injured big toe cut short the career of Dizzy Dean, for example, when he was hit in the foot by a line drive in the All-Star Game in 1937 at Washington's Griffith Stadium. Never was the same again, though he drifted in an out of the Texas League (Tulsa, as I recall) and eventually ended his career as a nothingburger with the Cubs. Too bad.

Is McFadden a Q?
Or was the Club hosting a Q function?
Just curious, seems like the convention doesn't leave town until Sunday.

Wally Hall cleared everything up today: Darren's a good kid, says yes sir and no sir...he just made a mistake.

Wally does have incomparable wisdom, huh? I will bet Kobe, O.J., Scott Peterson, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, etc all had fairly pleasant dispositions, too, but look at the way they behaved. With the reputation of the Palace, he should have chosen another place to party; however, in this current climate, crazy actions happen everywhere.

Oh well then, if Wally says that this boy says yes sir and no sir, then we can quit worrying. It was just a little mistake, right?

Is Saint Houston Wail not gonna do anything about this, like kick him off the team with his sore toe?

I bet you anything this fine young man was headed for Arkansas Baptist College and got lost, and thats where he thought he was, not that naughty nightclub.

where are the parents every time this happens to some student-athuhleete? Seems like they never mention that.

Basically this is just the excuse Saint Houston needs for the upcomign sorry season. We were gonna win 'em all until this unfortunate toe injury, so dont blame me.

Hey Cato, your think tank name still gives me a laugh.

It's just different. The securities traders had all the news in my day cause they were perpetually on the phone. With the demise of the gov. protected telephone monopoly, Ma Bell. we got faxes, the internet, cell phones and cheap long distance. Very few secrets and as a friend of mine says, you're only as sick as your secrets.

McFadden is just a kid in the wrong place at the wrong time. If he were my kid, I'd make sure he was OK, then work him out physically, doing what wouldn't hurt his injury, until he thought the Rangers' training was a Sunday social.
Addtionally, I'd have him write every teammate and pledge to come back in whatever capacity the coaches would have him and that his injury would allow, including water boy. What was missing in my day was some adult that would do that. Maybe things haven't changed--it's just different.

real deal,
if he were my kid, and I have two sons about his age, I'd just make him stay home with me. Much worse than Ranger training when you've screwed up your scholarship and Im in a bad mood.
and lookie here, junior, look! The chicken plant is hiring - does a career as a chicken catcher look good? Toe or no toe. Hop to, boy.

writing letters of apology is a very good idea. He can prolly get one of those Razorback hostesses in the short skirts to do that.

I shoulda known Cato would find a furriner to quote.
Who said this: Athletics doesn't build character, it reveals it.
Thank God I never went out adrinking and carousing when I was 19! At least a gun wasn't involved.

The quote about athletics revealing character is by the late writer Haywood Hale Broun.

Crash Davis
FYI, while I do not know if DM is a Q, I do know that the Q's convention ended Friday. Accordingly, he could not have been in attendance at such. I knew that you would appreciate this update :-)...

Much thanks to NOTHING NEW, who probably thinks me to be someone else.
Anyway, this just makes a good excuse for the apologists who make up the state's sports media community for the coming USC loss.
You see Wally, the radio idiots and the teevee maroons will leap into a chorus after the five-touchdown loss to the Trojans that Arkansas would have won if McFadden had been healthy for the game.
The radio guys are the worst. Driving back from Memphis last Friday, I listened to some sports talk from there and when it faded, I switched to 103.7.
It wasn't that Memphis was that great, it was at least interesting, just not spectacular. But Rainwater and the boys were just awful.
Callers were on for 10 minutes or more, not really asking questions, just blabbering on and on about the Razorbacks. And not one called asked how Rick S. looked in a dress. I hear its spectacular.
The big pieces of news with an Arkansas angle was the retirement of Willie Roaf and the signing of DeAngelo Williams, for the hour or so I listened, neither got mentioned. Not a word. Of course the key is that they are Arkansas natives, but not former Arkansas Razorbacks.
Shame on UA alum Warwick for not linking to either.
Roaf is arguably one of the five best professional athletes that the state has produced and his family is a role model. Dad's a dentist, mom was a Supreme Court judge, sister is a lawyer, even handled his contract negotiations. I didn't see the paper on Saturday, but I'd imagine it made a couple, three paragraphs on the page 2 briefs roundup.
Maybe PB homeslice Jimmy Harris can scrape something up for the Times next week.
Now I'm back to being irritated again and hungry, wondering where I can go in the Rock City for a decent steak.
And since many of ya'll will be wondering.
1. Scottie Pippen
2. Brooks Robinson
3. Willie Roaf
4. Clyde Scott
5. Not sure on, but I'm leaning toward Moncrief.

Keith Jackson was not too shabby. Neither was Lance Alworth. Just a thought.

Thanks for the extra playing time!

like tommy smith says, just corliss that list

Can't let that one pass.

#1 Bill Dickey: hit .313 lifetime; I believe still holds the major league record for most consecutive games without an error (played catcher); roomed with Gehrig; Baseball Hall of Fame; Kennset, AR.
#2 Ron Brewer, Sr: no basketball player from AR was or is his equal.
#3 Alworth: His speed gone, he made the Dallas Cowboy Super Bowl club at the end of his career as a blocking wideout.
#4 Pippen
#5 Scott

Boys will be boys. And stupid boys will be stupid boys.

Boys will be boys. And stupid boys will be stupid boys.


Why is it OK to hurt someone on the football field but not in a bar parking lot?

Alworth wasn't an Arkansan, born in Texas and graduated from high school in Mississippi.
Going to college in Arkansas doesn't make the cut, at least not for this list.
And Ronnie Brewer Sr., wasn't even the best player on his college team. Moncrief was clearly the better player in college and the pros.
But Moncrief doesn't come close to Pippen's success.
Williamson has been a journeyman in the pros, but he would rank ahead of Brewer, Sr.
Keith Jackson wasn't bad, he was an All-Pro five times, but Roaf was better. All he did was make the Pro Bowl 11 times in 13 seasons. And has been hailed the best at his position for nearly the last decade.
Jackson is doubtful for the NFL Hall of Fame, while Roaf could make it in on the first ballot.
I can buy the Dickey argument, but I would have liked a shoutout for George Kell or one of the Dean brothers better. And I can't believe that no one has any love for Earl Bell, who may not actually be from Arkansas, or Big John Tate.
Shameful.
And I stand corrected. I checked the Saturday paper and a wire story on Roaf was on Page 3, not a brief. But he could and should have been on the sports front.
It should have been a staff story, one of the DoG's writers should have chased him down, called his momma and his high school coach and done a story. And slapped it on the front instead of the waste of space that was in the DoG instead, a wire story about Landis.
This brings up another point, and maybe someone can explain it. Why does the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette hate Arkansas?
On a consistent basis, the DoG downplays Arkansas news and plays up National or International news instead. This happens on the front page, this happens in Sports and it happens in Business.
My theory is that when hire a bunch of people from Nebraska and Louisiana and they all work of the NYTimes front page budget, you end up with the DoG.
I mean, really, if the death of a Lt. Gov. doesn't warrant a front-page banner, what does?
And one final note: If the Sunday paper is the most important paper, why is the perspective section mostly wire?
The editorial page ran two wire columns in today's paper. Supposedly the most valuable real estate in the paper and it is populated by furriners.
Calling it the DoG is almost a compliment, from now on it will be the Daily Disappointment or until someone comes up with a better nickname.

I watched Ron SR. nonchalantly bring the ball up against Kelly Tripuka, ND big guard, St. Louis Final Four. Turn around jumper at the top of the key 5 seconds left--swish. Went on to be NBA rookie of the year. When he played he was the best combo of ball handler and shooter ever and no one had a quicker first step. Moncrief was his equal on D and that's it.
OK on Alworth so I add George Kell at #5.

I think the Hussman modus operandi is to reduce costs slowly so most won't realize it. Doesn't work for those with a memory.

Brewer was not Rookie of thr Year. Phil Ford was that year. Although Brewer was on the All-Rookie team.

Pippen is best cager from state, but I'd say Joe Johnson is the most talented (and ultimatley will be he best pro )to ever wear a Hog uniform.

Back to Darren,

My grandmother used to say (she's 86 and I guess she still may say it)

"Nothing good can happen after midnight."

It is advice I have (mostly) followed. It's not the injury that bothers me. It's not the Palace that bothers me. It's the "4:20 am" that bothers me.

Yes, it would be easier to handle if it would have happened at a more respectable club (if there is such a thing) at 11:30pm. And he wasn't there to try to meet a UALR co-ed that's for sure. Have to wonder what the reason was.

Want to see what else goes on at our esteemed U of athletic program?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/195146/cheerleaders_wet_t_shirt_contest/

Darren tried to kick a guy for taking his brothers car. Not just because he got in a fight with someone. We got other guys besides McFadden anyway like the newest recruit Mitch Mustain and Damian Williams.

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