Legal technicality
Brummett explains -- not that it'll matter to those inclined to outrage -- the narrow legal ground by which the Supreme Court decided the case on gay foster parents. Also, what's likely to happen next.
Noted by a reader: Mike Beebe rethought the careful statement he'd issued after the Supreme Court ruling Thursday and joined the demagogue chorus Friday with an unequivocal statement of opposition to gay foster parents and support of a law to prohibit it. Sad. It's craven acts like this that could send an electorally significant number of voters into the columns of Rod Bryan and Jim Lendall.







Comments
Count me among those who will not vote for Beebe because of this sellout.
Posted by: hugh mann | July 1, 2006 06:36 AM
Bryan and Lindall are not herding me, nor is the AT Times. At this point, the choice of any above will herd me off a cliff into the loving arms of a fundie Asa-Klan.
Posted by: Gaylord | July 1, 2006 06:43 AM
Mr. Beebe's and Mr. Hutchinson's stance against the best interests of the children of this state is not surprising. It only reaffirms that we are a one-party Republican state, with A$a's extremist wing and, in relative terms, a "moderate" wing occupied by Mike Beebe and his fellow DINOs. He proves once again that he is certainly no liberal. And his Democratic party credentials are becoming more questionable.
He knows that it will be impossible to enact another adoption/foster care law that would be constitutional without depriving thousands of children a chance for a caring home. However, he'd rather pander to bigots and ignore the needs of the children of Arkansas.
Posted by: Jim Lendall | July 1, 2006 07:08 AM
Well, about 5% of the population is gay and they vote at a higher percentage than that. If they all vote for Rod or JIm, this race is over. Huge miscalculation on Beebe's part. Jim and Rod have a real opportunity.
Posted by: Go Green Baby, | July 1, 2006 08:02 AM
Oh yes, another race to the bottom for Arkansas's GLBT rights. The MO this year in Arkansas is to not get "out-queered" by your opponent.
Posted by: Haley | July 1, 2006 08:05 AM
Beebe is taking gays and liberals for granted. That is worse than electing a Republican. I would rather have a Republican in there than somebody who smiles to my face then tries to destroy my belief system. Mike Beebe, Mark Pryor, etc... will never get my vote again.
Posted by: Enough Already | July 1, 2006 08:07 AM
The party is over for the Gay Community and democrats or republicans . Quite frankly many in the community are tired of being lied to for our money and our votes to be used and kicked in the teeth after the elections. find it odd they don;t want gay foster parents but they will sure tax gay couples twice at 14 % of their incomes to pay for a foster care programs for children more and more people are coming to the reality that the dems and republican party members are driving away voters with these lame policies people in the gay community are really being used WAKE up before its to late we are good enough to be tax twice that rate of married heterosexual foster parents because we are not allowed to marry and be taxed on a equal basis as everyone else.sick of my tax money being used to abuse children in the Arkansas foster care system.
Posted by: Vote for Equality reject democrats and republicans | July 1, 2006 08:20 AM
Go ahead and start the countdown for Beebe to flip flop on Paron high school and rural schools too. What a pandering phony.
Posted by: What a Phony | July 1, 2006 08:21 AM
Let's see! Gay marriage, Gays adopting children, Gays right to exist.
Our expending this much time on the Gay community rather than our school system must signal an upcoming election. Right!
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2006 08:28 AM
This, at a time when Americans need to be united, we are again divided.
But I've some questions about the foster business.
What about mixed-race married couples, or couples in which the wife (I almost said wench) doesn't take the husband's last name? There's an obvious problem there.
What about smokers? Can they be foster parents? Drinkers? Parents who were abused as kids?
How does religion play into this process?
Can there be guns in a foster home? What if the foster mother had had an abortion, or the father caused a pregnancy out of wedlock no more recently than 15 years ago?
I don't think fast food should be available to the foster child under any circumstances. The arrangement should become null and void if they're caught feeding the kids something known to be bad.
I think there's alot more work to be done on this. Unfortunately it means there will be fewer foster homes available. More kids in trouble, eventually becoming criminals. But hey, the kids lucky enough to be in foster care will be in really, really good hands.
Posted by: hugh mann | July 1, 2006 08:30 AM
what about the gay children in foster care in Arkansas. I knew i was gay before the age of 7 yeah that right i was a gay child. should be against the law to place GAY children in foster care with heterosexual families, its paramount to child abuse to place a homosexual child in a straight heterosexual home that will religiously abuse them.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2006 08:48 AM
Seriously. I'm not voting for Beebe.
I could care less if the Democratic Party of Arkansas goes to shambles in the governor's race. If you're going to label yourself as a Democrat, act like it.
Posted by: JD | July 1, 2006 08:52 AM
Beebe should be ashamed of himself. If we wants to be Governor that bad he doesn't deserve it.
At least Asa really believes this crap.
Posted by: couch potato | July 1, 2006 08:54 AM
Beebe should be ashamed of himself. If we wants to be Governor that bad he doesn't deserve it.
At least Asa really believes this crap.
Posted by: couch potato | July 1, 2006 08:55 AM
Sorry for the double post. I had one other thought.
This confirms to me that those rumors about the Beebe poll showing it a dead heat WERE accurate.
I will wait to see the next issue Beebe will flip flop on.
Posted by: couch potato | July 1, 2006 08:57 AM
So what are the plans for celerate the 4th of July? Pretend we're still the land of the free and home of the brave?
Posted by: Gay Arkansan | July 1, 2006 09:07 AM
What a disappointment. Although, after hearing Beebe make his health policy speech at UAMS the other day, it's not totally surprising - talk about 20 minutes of my life wasted!
Why is it so difficult for politicians to take a stand? This race is Mike Beebe's to lose and stunts like this are exactly how he's going to do it.
Jim Lendall and Rod Bryan are both fine gentlemen and maybe this is just the faux paux that they need to elevate their candidacies. Jim spoke at this year's gay pride festival and both he and Rod attended last year's festivities. The only democratic candidate to be there this year was Kathy Webb (Martha Shoffner had requested to speak but canceled at the last minute due to a family emergency).
I agree in spirit with many of the posts here about abandoning Beebe, and, I admit, it gives me pause. It makes me angry to think that someone I've been supporting thinks that I'm a danger to children! It's okay for me to treat children in the clinic or hospital and make them better, but I can't let them live with me and love them and care for them.
This past year I had the opportunity to work for a short time at the clinic operated by the State to care for foster children. When I saw some of the "parents" who came in with those kids, how dirty, how uncaring, how unfit they were, it makes me doubly angry to think that the state prefers them over me, simply because they're "breeders" and I'm not.
But . . . I'm probably going to stick with Beebe for now. The unfortunate reality is that it's important for all of our sakes for a democrat to win this governorship. True, he may be a worthless, spineless democrat, but in the big picture, the democratic party has been very good for gays and lesbians over the past 40 years.
Democrats have not catered to our every wish and they haven't stood by us through every storm, but without them, we would be in a much worse place. For instance, without the democrats moderating effect, I suspect that Reagan would have followed Castro's lead and put HIV positive people into forced "quarantine" camps. I'm sure there are dozens of other examples that any one of us could come up with.
Not all democrats are good people, just as not all republicans are bad people. It may be a tactical error and something I'll regret later, but I'll support Beebe for now, because even a bad democrat is better than Asa. But once the state is back in democratic hands, look out! I won't be so forgiving of the next candidate.
Posted by: John | July 1, 2006 09:11 AM
Beebe is weak like Gore when it comes to taking a stand, just blowing with the wind.
But are you going to be happy with Asa?
The republicans focus on putting forward issues that galvanize their base. The democrats focus on shooting themselves in the foot on those issues.
And so, life goes on with the ruling powers continuing to rule and the serfs continuing to surf liberal blogs and complain.
Posted by: Roland | July 1, 2006 09:13 AM
Well, congratulations to Mike Beebe. If it is indeed true that 5% of the population of this state is gay (perhaps one of those "stats" that someone pulls out of the air? any documentation?) that would mean that 95% is not. Many (most?) of us who aren't are quite comfortable saying that a gay couple shouldn't be foster parents. A child needing to be placed in a foster home are already troubled and confused, and putting them in an environment that is as confusing as a gay couple will only cause more harm. Thanks to Mike Beebe for having the backbone to stand and say what is right and endure the inevitable firestorm from the most vocal, militant, and radical segment of society.
I for one am far more likely to vote for him now. I admire a man with guts.
Posted by: Rich | July 1, 2006 09:25 AM
Democrats have not catered to our every wish and they haven't stood by us through every storm, but without them, we would be in a much worse place. For instance, without the democrats moderating effect, I suspect that Reagan would have followed Castro's lead and put HIV positive people into forced "quarantine" camps. I'm sure there are dozens of other examples that any one of us could come up with.
Posted by: John | July 1, 2006 09:11 AM
Gay Men pandering for evident Homophobic democratic politicos
How quaint. you will get what you vote for more opression and homophoiba .
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2006 09:30 AM
"Well, about 5% of the population is gay and they vote at a higher percentage than that."
That's actually 10% not counting bisexuals.
Posted by: more than you'd ever imagine | July 1, 2006 09:30 AM
"For instance, without the democrats moderating effect, I suspect that Reagan would have followed Castro's lead and put HIV positive people into forced "quarantine" camps."
You dumbass. I'm a liberal Democrat, but I'm calling you out on that dumbass statement. The Reagans had gay friends and some were HIV+. They may not have funded AIDS as much as some would have liked, but they were not out to get gays as you suggest. Get your facts right. W might do something like that but never Reagan.
Posted by: libARdem | July 1, 2006 09:35 AM
Yeah. The Reagans were very close to many upstanding members of the gay community, like Roy Cohn.
Posted by: mrs. basil e. frankweiler | July 1, 2006 09:45 AM
How many of those fine homophobes know/recognize a homosexual in their midst? I have watched people rabidly discuss this issue when a gentleman of our mutual acquaintance -- a man who works in our school district -- is present. Little do they know that he came home years ago after AIDS began claiming friends' and then his partner's lives. Sensibly, given his career, he has chosen to keep his sexual preference secret and, fortunately, so has his family for the most part.
Again and again, these parents return to the scourge of homosexuality but have forgotten all about the former Little League coach, still present in the community, who, 10 years ago or so, was found to have hundreds of salacious pictures of little girls on his computer.
Surely children and their parents have more to fear from a person who finds children sexually provocative than from a person who chooses to maintain an adult relationship with someone of the same sex.
I am disappointed in Beebe, but I'm inclined to accept the politically expedient stance. A sad statement, true, but A$a would be far worse for our state and I see little hope of either of the two minor candidates having a chance to beat him.
I truly do hate politics. Maybe, by extension, I also hate politicians. However, I do recognize them as a necessary evil.
Sigh. No utopias here.
Posted by: Doigotta | July 1, 2006 09:59 AM
The only democratic candidate to be there this year was Kathy Webb
Is this the same Kathy Webb who's own cousin/family member kicked her lesbian lifestyle in the teeth in the press not two days ago ? just wondering ?
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2006 10:20 AM
Max, you wrote before that Asa Hutchinson's opposition on gay adoption was proof that he has no compassion or warmth. Do you make the same judgement of Mike Beebe today or is it okay for Beebe since his position isn't sincere?
Posted by: Red Rocket | July 1, 2006 10:21 AM
I am so dispointed in people who care more about electing a democrat then voting their conscience. Jim Lendall is a man who has done what is right everytime - no matter what the political consequence is and his reward? - we all vote against him and instead for the guy who insults liberals and gays every time he turns around.
No wonder we can't get any good men elected. ITS YOUR FAULT- why should anyone stand up for us - we punish those who do what is right and reward those who insult us then go back to the Capitol Bar and laugh about how gullible we are.
You people make me sick.
Posted by: My God, the sell outs are too numerous. | July 1, 2006 10:39 AM
Beebe 47
Bryan 2
Lendall 3
Hutchinson 48
No runoffs in general elections...Beebe's pandering will lose him the liberal vote...and the election.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2006 11:01 AM
Nobody here thinks Beebe acted out of conviction.
And, isn't that the real issue?
Beebe came out on both sides, at one time or another.
Worked real well for John Kerry too.
Posted by: JQ Public | July 1, 2006 11:15 AM
There is a question unanswered every time foster children are hauled out for another flogging. Where do all the foster children come from? Are they progeny of gay couples? Are they evidence that unrestricted breeding by heterosexuals is a big mistake and a tragedy. If you haven't caught on yet: what we need are fewer breeders. Obviously, simply being able to pop a bun in our out of the oven doesn't produce a caring, loving parent. Why not have the same standards for potential homes for all children that we have for foster children? How did a simple, civilized notion about taking care of each other become a weapon for us to use to hate and abuse others? Must be a religious thing. You know: my god can whip your god's ass. Or, is that just a baptist fantasy? Oh yeah, you can bet this old girl is voting for Beebe, can't you.
Posted by: bodybybush | July 1, 2006 11:17 AM
"We need, in every community, a group of angelic troublemakers. "
--Bayard Rustin
Posted by: RLR | July 1, 2006 12:59 PM
Everyone is quick to say how detached Congress is for talking about issues like flag burning and gays all while the government has so many bigger fish to fry. Then when a Democrat comes out on the other side of these unimportant issues, it's a huge deal. It's time to make up our minds as to whether these issues are actually important.
Posted by: Bill | July 1, 2006 01:23 PM
The way politicians talk and vote has nothing to do with their own convictions, assuming any of them have convictions of their own. They say what they say and they do what they do based upon how many people it will please. If Beebe or Asa thought 51% of Arkansans were in favor of sex with sheep, they'd come out Monday wearing a white wooly suit.
So Beebe thinks we're a bunch of homophobes that are damn sure queers mate with any child left in their company more than 30 seconds. Asa probably has posters on his walls of men having sex with 4 year olds, just to prove that we need the saving power of Jesus in politics to keep this sort of thing from happening.
I think even old 49th in everything Arkansas is smarter than Beebe or Asa thinks. Since most of us have a gay sister or brother or cousin or friend, we've figured out they're about the same as us except for their decorating abilities and who they rub genitals with. The crime of homosexuality is fading away unnoticed by politicians who still love to find fighting words to stir up their blind supporters.
I would dearly love to vote for Jim Lendall. If polls show he has a fighting chance, I will. But voting for Nader in 2000 showed me how dangerous voting for a 3rd party is. Oh God....the last 5 years has been an education I would have gladly missed. So I am going to be very very careful who I vote for this November because our very existence depends upon it.
Asa is a nut and a fraud. He's a Bush clone and a gold digger. Having Huck another 4 years would be light years better. I figure having Beebe for 4 years will be a salvation, a renewal, a blessing. But I promise I will be as hard on Beebe as I have been on Huckabee should he display 19th century thinking like this gay adoption deal or if he turns the office of Governor into a Super Market Sweep as Huck has done.
Shame on you Mike Beebe for thinking we're a bunch of hicks who cringe at the word gay. We're smarter than that, give us some credit.
Posted by: Deathbyinches | July 1, 2006 01:31 PM
Any Arkansas Democrat who goes to the polls this November and votes for Bryan or Lendall as a means of showing Beebe a thing or two needs to think back a few years ago in time and recall similar circumstances wherein Frank White became Governor as a result of the electorate wanting to give its come-uppance to Bill Clinton. Remember, too,o how a third party candidate caused us to have GWB, too. Please, don't let something similar happen this year in Arkansas...we need Mike Beebe in the Governor's office more than ever. Give him a chance; I think you will be glad you did. We cannot affort to take a chance on this one. The alternative is too repulsive for any of us to even consider.
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 01:50 PM
I agree with Old Blue Eyes and will reluctantly vote for Beebe. It makes me long for Instant Run0ff Voting in Arkansas, which would allow me to vote for one of the hopeless and still not give an advantage to Hutchinson. We now allow this IRV option for active duty members of the military, so perhaps the next legislature or a 14th Amendment lawsuit will allow an equal right and privilege for the rest of us in the near future.
Posted by: Delphi | July 1, 2006 02:12 PM
I am not voting for Jim Lendall to show Beebe a thing or two. I am voting for Jim Lendall because he has earned my vote.
Our country will only be as good as the people who participate in the system. WE SUCK if we throw good people away because we want to help some party. Vote your conscience and our system will benefit. It's when you start trying to predict, out-guess, manipulate the system that our politics end up like it is now.
So for all of you Beebe staffers posting on here desperately trying to keep liberals from a mass exodous, I say go lecture you boss, Mike Beebe - don't you dare lecture us about how we have to ignore your bosses lack of courage because the DEMOCRAT Party needs us.
I would rather be the only person who votes for Jim Lendall and Mike Beebe lose by one vote then to give up on democracy - give up on voting your conscience. Once I do that, it's over - why bother voting at all.
Posted by: Hey Massingill, Go lecture Mike Beebe not me | July 1, 2006 02:35 PM
"Asa is a nut and a fraud. He's a Bush clone and a gold digger. Having Huck another 4 years would be light years better. I figure having Beebe for 4 years will be a salvation, a renewal, a blessing." DBI
Uh-huh, you got an Amen from me!
Posted by: Gaylord | July 1, 2006 02:45 PM
Vic Snyders stance on gay and lesbian marriage..made me realize that all these years..I have wasted time going to the polls. I use to think it mattered...now I know it no longer does matter.
Posted by: Midge | July 1, 2006 02:51 PM
Go home, Massingill. Mike Beebe has lost my vote and you lecturing me is not helping matters.
Posted by: enough already | July 1, 2006 02:53 PM
I want you all to know that I am not Chris Massengill. I am not on Mike Beebe's staff or associated with his campaign in any way. I am simply a conservative Democrat who is so sick and tired of Republicans on the state and national levels that I get the heaves and puke everytime I consider the fact that Arkansans may have to put up with the the likes of Asa Hutchinson for several more years to come if my fellow Democrats don't wake up, employ common sense, and quit threatening to shoot themselves in the head. I plead with all Democrats to vote for Mike Beebe, even if they aren't in complete agreement on each and every item that comes down the pike. He'll be a lot better at governance than Mike Huckabee has been and he will be a hell of a lot better than we all know that Asa Hutchinson will be.
God help us if too many of our Democratic friends say "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead" and bolt the party for an insignificant third party or independent candidate who has no chance of winning the election. If they persist with that mentality and frame of mind, they will deserve who they get. But the rest of want someone far better than Asa. Are you listening out there?
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 03:23 PM
Blue Eyes, you will need to do better in explaining how Beebe is better than
A$a. Right now Beebe claims to be anti-choice and anti-gay and he is probably closer to the corporate money whores than A$a if that is possible. And now he has shown that he is opportunistic and cowardly and will do anything to win even if it means throwing aside a principle. Great. Why should I vote for this turd again?
Posted by: Explain it to me | July 1, 2006 03:35 PM
It apparently would be vain for me or anyone else to attempt to explain reality to the poster above. Someone with his vocabulary and mindset will not listen to reason. They have their mind made up already.
However, though, it has just occurred to me that he/she/it (take your pick) is/are probably one of the stalking horses the Family Council Blog regulars /isare using to foment dissent on this site.
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 03:44 PM
I don't know "Explain it to me" is a Repub or not, but he/she raises some good questions.
Mike Beebe is a bigger hoar for business than Asa - hence the wal-mart endorsement, he won't say what he is on abortion. His only policy position is to have a 50 million dollar corporate welfare kitty program that he personally will give away.
Tell us why we real democrats should support him. I am not a democrat because my Pappy was. I am or maybe was a democrat because they fought for the little guy and stood up for the oppressed (gay and lesbians).
Screw the Mike Beebe/ Jason Willett Democrats.
Posted by: Enough already | July 1, 2006 04:14 PM
Hey, guys, how about using spell-check for a while? Hoars? Give me a break!
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 04:20 PM
And bye the way, "Enough Already"...what makes you think you have the market cornered on what makes one a real Democrat? I think that I am as much one as you. After all, aren't we the ones with the Big Tent? But, are you going to leave the tent and go over to the Green side or the Independents or are you going to remain inside and bring victory to the side in the fall? I truly hope it is the latter.
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 04:24 PM
Old Blue Eyes, you are right - I am not claiming to be more of a democrat. I am suggesting that I am no longer a democrat at all.
If the democrat party is Mike Beebe and he won't stand up for gays and lesbians - then you can have the "party." I am sorry for being an inconvenience to you. Me and Jim Lendall will go and be irrelevant - but at least we will stand up for the downtrodden and oppressed.
Enjoy the inauguration and the free liquor. Try to forget that there are people out there who are being discriminated against - we wouldn't want to be a damper on your "party."
Posted by: enough already | July 1, 2006 04:34 PM
It is so refreshing to see people like "enough already" out there. If there were more people with principles, our politics would be based on ideas not money and largesse.
I am going to vote for either Jim or Rod Bryant.
"enough already" tell me why I should vote for Jim over Rod.
Posted by: Clarke Kent | July 1, 2006 04:50 PM
DBI, I am disapointed in you. You say "I am going to be hard on Mike Beebe after he is elected"
Are you serious - that is like telling your kid - when you turn 21 and move out of the house, I am going to start disciplining you.
Mike Beebe won't care what you think. He will be Governor and he and his lobbyist will have raised 5 million dollars for re-election by June of next year. Do you really think he is going to care if DBI is upset with him.
I thought you were more savvy than that.
Posted by: DBI - You can do better. | July 1, 2006 04:54 PM
I guarantee you that Asa! won't care what DBI, you, or any other middle-of-the-roaders think.
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 04:59 PM
To "Enough Already:"
So, you're only a one-issue person, huh? Gay rights. So how does that make you any different than all of the right-to-lifers that you have probably been known to castigate every now and then? Or all of the NRA members whose one issue is guns? Or any of a dozen or so others groups who we commonly deride as one-issue-only people?
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 05:04 PM
Old Blue Eyes, For you to ask such a question shows me that you and Mike Beebe obviously don't understand the pain that gay and lesbians have to endure throughout their lifetime. Or probably more accurately, you don't care.
By the way, I am not a one issue candidate, I care about all of the "little people" which is why I am also frustrated with Mike Beebe's pimping for Tyson's at the expense of water drinkers everywhere. I am sick of Mike Beebe kissing up to the corporate scum at the expense of rate payers and union employees etc...
I am so tired of democrats being more racist, more bigoted, more concerned about getting rich and kissing up to the fat cats and then around summer time of election years expecting everybody to ignore their actions and support their "Republican wannabe asses" yet again - DBI can say "This time, we will hold them accountable" yeah right.
Not me, I'm out - Jim Lendall - tell me what I can do for you.
Posted by: Enough Already | July 1, 2006 05:19 PM
Random synaptic firings:
As W.B. Yeats predicted, the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. I'm appalled that so many of my fellow citizens are fueled by so much hate and anger. How unhappy does a man have to be to attack another person's grief? What's driving these people?
Mike Beebe is just pathetic. My "support" for him has never been more than tepid; now it's even cooler. Will he be better than Asa? Probably. Will I vote for him? Probably. Will I be sad or upset if he loses? Not especially.
Posted by: Pavel | July 1, 2006 06:29 PM
Pavel, I appreciate your position but if you aren't going to be upset if Mike Beebe loses then why not vote for somebody who has earned your vote - Jim Lendall.
If everybody who is not excited about Mike Beebe or A$a would vote for Jim Lendall - he could win this election. Talk about shaking politics up - that would be a national story.
Posted by: Enough Already | July 1, 2006 07:09 PM
Why am I so upset with Mike Beebe right now? Because this was a complete shock to me. Why didn't we know his stance sooner? I am literally mouth agape. If the democrat party is not going to stand up for everyone's civil liberties, who will? Our candidates should be forced to fill out a questionaire of their beliefs and stick to it. This is completely out of left field for me. If I had only known ahead of time, I wouldn't feel so violated right now. If I agree with a candidate 90% of the time that is ok but please let me know where you stand on the issues. I don't want to be sitting around here like a dumbass waiting for the other 10% shoe to drop. What else are you hiding Mike? I can only sit here wondering. Of course he has my vote, nothing any of us can do about that now, but I sure don't feel good about it. Let's just stomach this the best we can and move forward. I am so sorry to the gay and lesbian community, John your post was simply heart breaking. I will try to make it up to you by debating anyone on this issue until they and Beebe see the error of their ways. This is quite a debacle. AGain, I apologize.
Posted by: starbuck | July 1, 2006 07:32 PM
I'm so damn sick of socially conservative democrats...
Sick of Willet, and his NEA Mafia which has taken over the DP, and is hell bent on returning to neo-Fabusian pandering.
Posted by: Haley | July 1, 2006 07:35 PM
Starbuck, save your apologies you coward. You sound like the Nazi's at Nuremburg. I am sorry that we slaughtered you jews. Your stories are simply heartbreaking - Next time I will stand up for you. shut up.
I will try making it up to you by debating anyone- don't bother. If you don't care enough to vote right, I don't want you debating people. You will suck at it.
Democrats are pathetic. I am so glad that this event has happened. I am sickened by "the Party's" lack of conscience and its willingness to "apologize" for bigotry and discrimination.
For God's sake listen to yourselves. You should be disgusted with Mike Beebe but also with yourself.
Posted by: Enough Already | July 1, 2006 07:49 PM
Enough Already, I do mean what I say, If Wooldridge had been elected, I would be voting for a right to lifer which is just as horrifying to me. I back my party's candidates. These are the ones we have chosen. I'm not happy about it but, c'est la vie. I never implied that "next time I will stand up for you". Understand this Already, I stand up for the civil liberties of all humans the world over, each and every day. I suppose you would prefer it if I voted for a third party and handed the election over to Asa! That is my only other alternative, isn't it? I will fight to get this party back on track, I will fight to get people to stand up for what they believe in, and I will fight anyone who tells me to shut up. Enough already...
Posted by: starbuck | July 1, 2006 08:12 PM
I think Beebe is probably as liberal as the next. He just decieded to go against his principles and pander for more votes. What else is he lying about to get more votes?
Posted by: Anonymous | July 1, 2006 09:25 PM
I'll say it again: the Democratic Party is the Big Tent Party. If you can't understand that and don't like it, I'm sorry. The rest of us will continue the fight.
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 10:09 PM
Fight for what - Power. Lobbyist money, state jobs?
Big Tent - That simply means we have no principles - if you can help us get elected we will put up with anything.
It's not worth fighting for if it doesn't stand for something. I hope y'all enjoy your power- I know that with Mike Beebe it won't be used to do any good.
Posted by: Enough Already | July 1, 2006 10:36 PM
Starbucks - if you and other people voted their conscience you wouldn't be "handing the election over to Asa"
You are a slave to the two major parties. They tell you to throw your principles away because it could be worse and you say Yes Massir - you never think for yourself - Yeah, it could be worse, but it could be better if we ever stopped taking orders from the two major parties and actually DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT.
If people would think for themselves, we wouldn't have only two parties. I know I am speaking to Beebe staffers or DPA staffers, so I am preaching to a brick wall but maybe somebody who is capable of inidvidual thought will read this.
Posted by: Enough Already | July 1, 2006 10:42 PM
"Enough Already," take a hint from your moniker and shove it, OK?
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 1, 2006 11:14 PM
What good is it for Democrats to win, if they don't stand up for Democratic principles? Democrats don't have to be liberal. But they at least need to be Democrats.
Posted by: just bold | July 1, 2006 11:15 PM
I'm stuck with Beebe because not enough people in Arkansas are intelligent enough to vote for Jim Lendall. Voting for Asa is like putting a cigarette out on the top of your kids little head.
We have no choice but to elect Mike Beebe, even at his worse he'll be head and shoulders above Huckabuck and I have no desire to spend the next 4 years watching Asa set up an Arkansas kingdom for himself.
I think people are still mis-underestimating the power of the blogs. The wiggle room most office holders have had in the past is gone with the advent of the blog. The eyes are everywhere and Governor Beebe will be under more constant scrutiny than any previous governor in Arkansas history.
That's a good thing. It will help keep him honest and on his toes. If only there had been blogs in the early days of Huckabuck, some good blogger could have recorded the number of moving vans that pulled up daily with his love offerings from those getting rich doing business with the state. And for the record, I don't think we've heard the last of the Lord's Ranch jet dirty business.
So, I'll take Beebe for governor and I'll expect him to put Huckabee to shame. And if he doesn't, he'll get 4 years of constant scrutiny and harassment from me and the growing legions of bloggers in this state.
Will it hurt as much as a sock to the chin? No, but it sure won't be fun and you can bet he'll be looking for other work in 2010.
Posted by: Deathbyinches | July 2, 2006 12:33 AM
DBI is right. We're not collectively smart enough to elect Jim Lendall. Shoot, I'd put a JL/RB ticket up against the other two if it could work that way, but only if there were other lemmings.
Rod would be good down the road Jim paved for him.
I'm open to abandoning the two-party system. After this election.
Posted by: hugh mann | July 2, 2006 02:22 AM
DBI, I know that I do not have the best chance of winning in November. Just in terms of funds - my $3000 compared to Beebe's $4 million - my campaign will be hard-pressed to compete. I am running to win, though.
However, short of getting 51%, I will be very happy with any percentage of the vote over 3%. That will mean that the Green Party will be able to field candidates throughout the state without the burdensome petition process hamstringing us in each election cycle. This is the first step towards building a viable political party in Arkansas to challenge the stranglehold by the two wings of the Republican Party (A$a's and Beebe's).
The people of Arkansas are entitled to real choices in elections in every town, county and district in this state.
Jim Lendall
Green Party Candidate for Governor
www.jimlendall2006.com
Posted by: Jim Lendall | July 2, 2006 02:46 AM
Those of us that have been part of the Democratic party for a while will notice the "tell" of those conservatives posting that want us to vote for Jim Leddel. I'm not going to say what it is, but the clue is in this post.
As soon as I see that tell, it becomes obvious it is a troll trying to divide and conquer.
I would love to vote for Jim, but it just might put Asa in there. So, I will hold my nose and vote Beebe since it appears he is it.
Politics are a real bi*ch.
Posted by: rablib | July 2, 2006 03:32 AM
Of all the important factors associated with the race for governor, the most important is that Asa must NOT win. For Asa not to win, Beebe must win. Lendall and Bryant cannot win; they can only be spoilers. To understand what spoilers can do, flash back to 2000 and consider what the world would be like if G Bush hadn't won Florida. Yes, I'll vote for Beebe, even if I don't like a lot of the things he has said lately.
Posted by: Pavel | July 2, 2006 07:16 AM
Beebe Staffers Unite to destroy liberals. We need ever able man or woman to go on the blogs and denounce any effort to hold Mike Beebe accouuntable.
Say that you will do it after he is elected, say you will do through the blogs (whatever) say that you sympathize with the litttle person, but yada yada yada
say whatever it takes to prevent people from thinking for themselves.
Now you have your marching orders - go forth and deceive.
Posted by: enough Already | July 2, 2006 08:06 AM
Hey, "Enough Already," have you read your Democrat-Gazette this morning? Sounds like you and Jim Holt are just alike...real principled men. Both of you contend that principle is more important that the overall victory.
Dumbass is what it is!
Posted by: Old Blue Eyes | July 2, 2006 09:45 AM
What will be the major differences between Asa! or Beebe if either is elected Governor?
Besides which friends and supporters they give jobs and contracts, what significant difference would their be between the two?
I'm not talking about differences in their campaign promises and rhetoric. What would the actual differences be between a Asa! and Beebe administration?
Posted by: just bold | July 2, 2006 11:05 AM
There wouldn't be any - if anything Asa is a little less business friendly. At least he hasn't promised to give away 50 million a year in corporate welfare.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2006 11:20 AM
It's almost parallel to the Lt Gov Democratic runoff.....you had tim wooldridge, the republican....and bill halter. Now you have Mike Beebe, who seems to agree MORE with A$a than he does with his own party. I just wish everyone could come together and vote for Lendall. He just seems like he knows his shit. I'm wanting to ask the question now. How does Mike Beebe DIFFER from A$a?
Posted by: LiberalTopher | July 2, 2006 03:02 PM
I'm wanting to ask the question now. How does Mike Beebe DIFFER from A$a?
NOT One INCH of difference between the two .. I'm Picking another provider, Quite Frankly they are all lying to us to stay in POWER .
Not going to waste my VOTE ON either power hungry MAD men .that party is over.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2006 12:32 AM
cognitive dissonance
n. Psychology.
A condition of conflict or anxiety resulting from inconsistency between one's beliefs and one's actions, such as opposing the slaughter of animals and eating meat.
Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2006 02:02 PM
As We Celebrate Our Independence, Our Opponents Are Trying to Take it Away
Dear Rick& Preston,
This June, you mobilized into action and fought back a viciously anti-gay attempt to put discrimination in the Constitution. It was inspiring to see the fair-minded chorus of voices in America saying "no" to discrimination.
While my Senate colleagues rejected this blatant political attempt to motivate an extremist base on the backs of gay and lesbian families, the House is expected to vote on the amendment the week of July 17.
For me, as the first openly gay non-incumbent serving in the U.S. Congress, this is more than business - it is personal. Like the Human Rights Campaign, I stand up against intolerance whenever I see or experience it.
Unfortunately, defeat in the Senate did nothing to dampen the resolve of extremists. Not only would the Federal Marriage Amendment give a pass to treat gay and lesbian Americans as second-class citizens, it undermines the Constitution that I have sworn to protect and defend.
Along with the Human Rights Campaign, I'm taking a stand against the Federal Marriage Amendment when it comes to floor. I'm hoping I can count on you to stand with us. Please take this moment to send a message to your representative asking him or her to "Vote No" on the Federal Marriage Amendment.
Your voices are critical to this fight to take this country back from extremists.
As we celebrate this 4th of July and all great things about this country, I hope you will take a moment to visit http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/ct/idqqWi419ROI/ and redouble your efforts to make your voice heard!
Warm regards,
Tammy Baldwin
Posted by: RLR | July 3, 2006 02:59 PM