Beebe & the abortion issue
John Brummett gets after Mike Beebe on abortion.
As on the gay foster parent issue, Beebe uses "constitutional" as a dodge and crutch on abortion.
He says he personally opposes abortion. He says he supports restrictions on abortion - such as on late-term abortions and with parental notification or even consent - so long as they are constitutional. But some restrictions will always be constitutional, of course, so long as the precedent of Roe v. Wade survives. Beebe says he'd like it to survive, although he hastens to assert that the ruling has been so contorted by subsequent cases over the year that it bears little resemblance to its original form. The allowances for abortion that he favors, Beebe says, are rape, incest and not only to save the woman's life, but in deference to a doctor's concern for the woman's health. Sometimes, he says, the matter must come down to the woman, her doctor and her god.
Are you dizzy? Don't be. He's pro-choice, whether he says so or not.




Comments
Beebe is quicly becoming the John Kerry of Arkansas. Somebody with a great resume, but incapable of having core beliefs and therefore fails to connect with the average guy.
Posted by: Beebe is a Kerry wannabe | August 1, 2006 08:54 AM
Sounds to me like Beebe is speaking for the majority of conservative Democrats in Arkansas.
Posted by: Perry County | August 1, 2006 08:55 AM
Governor Asa Hutchinson and Tax Cuts are all you need to know about the Election. Asa will make a fine Governor and we will finally get rid of the State Income Tax and the Death Tax thus opening the door for the car & truck plants that will finally come here and push Arkansas into the 21st century.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 08:56 AM
Slate magazine broke some news. It turns out that Arkansas' own candidate for Governor consulted on Miami Vice while he was at DEA. I personally loved the movie, but I suspect that Asa's base will object to him consulting on a R rated movie made out of hollywood. Here is the story:
"Back under Asa Hutchinson, the DEA held a secret meeting at tbe Beverly Hills Hotel with producers including Michael Mann and other Hollywood types known to be sympathic to the war on drugs.
The purpose of the meeting was to convince the film industry to produce content that would stimulate flagging public support for the DEA and the war on drugs.
To get producers interested, the DEA offered a previously unheard of level of access to their undercover agents, technology and operations in the war.
That's what makes this movie so special -- Mann had more direct access to the DEA than he's ever had before in his career.
Of course the reason the DEA gave this unprecedented level of access was to encourage the production of pro-DEA propaganda."
ARKBLOG: This seems to be taken from a reader comment at Salon (not Slate), so you can't say that Salon actually "reported" it.
http://letters.salon.com/ent/movies/review/2006/07/28/miami_vice/permalink/608fcee477e25a20942e5ea622b4fdbe.html
Posted by: Asa = Hollywood elitist | August 1, 2006 08:57 AM
Perry County, you are right.
Posted by: Roland | August 1, 2006 09:00 AM
Beebe sure aint speaking for Paul Suskie, Mark Pryor, Tim Wooldridge, Don House, or even Marion Berry.
Do you even know the defenition of conservative democrat. If you hold the position of Mike Beebe on abortion - you aren't a conservative democrat. You may be more conservative than Howard Dean, but that doesn't make you an Arkansas conservative.
Posted by: huh | August 1, 2006 09:00 AM
When are the republicans going to quit betting this dead horse, and when are the democrats going to quit falling for this issue. Move on to something important and relevant that needs addressed immediately...things like the never ending war, poverty, education, lack of health car, etc., you know the basic things the government should be doing anyways, not debating on who loves god more and who should protect us from our immorality.
Posted by: ho hum | August 1, 2006 09:01 AM
I wonder if Asa shared his experience in fighting the drug wars when he was the U.S. Attorney - probably had plenty of stories about "Mena". snark, snark, snark.
Hey anyone of you Fort Smith folks heard anything about the Washington DC Grand Jury investigation into the hired for murder and drug trafficing investigation against Ron Fields? Hutchinon's right hand man in Fort Smith, moved him to DC when he got the DEA job and over to DHS. And put Fields on paid leave during a good portion of that investigation? Geeze
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 09:08 AM
Perry County has it right.
Posted by: BlueTicker | August 1, 2006 09:12 AM
No, spare us the Cindy Schiavo logic that the government owns your body.
The strategic goal of the religious right sect that is driving overturning Roe v. Wade is to eliminate birth control entirely.
Their government will act on behalf of God to determine when a person's life begins and when it ends. The individuals involved and their doctors have no say against this Government-God's will.
It is the ultimate conservative goal -- morality-based total-life authoritiarianism.
Posted by: Roland | August 1, 2006 09:12 AM
Perry County is Chris Massingill. No real conservative democrat is pro-choice that is the dividing line between conservative and moderate democrats.
Posted by: Give me a break | August 1, 2006 09:19 AM
That is not the dividing line between a Conservative Democrat and moderate...everyone is AGAINST abortion
But to mandate a law that imprisons women who get an abortion is another thing
Berry. Suskie and all those others may say they are pro-life but they would not pass legislation to make it a crime like Holt and the others would like to do
Not to mention I hope Beebe falls more in line with Bumpers, Pryor and Clinton
rather than
Wooldridge, House and Suskie
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 09:32 AM
Beebe is a whore who needs to stop taking political advice from Mike Ross
Its okay to tell people what you actually believe in
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 09:41 AM
If Roe is over-turned, and the state of Arkansas takes command of women's reproductive systems, it is because the women of this state allowed it to happen. Do you want to turn control of your body over to the state? Go ahead, then. Be a slave--vote Asa Hutchinson.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 09:54 AM
Mike Beebe consulted on a television series. You need to check out Beebe's (well-titled) show:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0331129/
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 09:55 AM
Apparently, you have to read Brummett and then you can see what logicakky will happen-
For Republicans, if Brummett says something negative about Asa!, he is following the Dean branch of the Demovratic Party. If he says something good, Moses has just come down from the Mountain for a third time.
If he says something bad about Beebe, he is an oracle of great knowledge to Repubs and Asa!'s hatchetman for the Democrats. If he says something good about Beebe, it is obvious that Brummitt has seen the light to the Democrats and obviously Dean, Kennedy, and Pelosi has gotten to him.
Do you guys really see how stupid all of this argument is since everyone on this blog is already a true believer in one side or the other.
Posted by: Fed Up to Here | August 1, 2006 09:59 AM
Asa is like the rest of the Republicans who attack Hollywood but then when Hollywood throws them a bone, they are the first ones to kiss up to the Hollywood crowd. I wish I had seen Miami Vice before I knew that Asa had "secretly consulted" on that movie.
Posted by: anonymous | August 1, 2006 10:00 AM
Beebe is in trouble if he continues to "triangulate" all controversial issues. To reach independent voters he needs to exhibit courage, not just follow the popular opinion. Arkansans have a long history of supporting candidates with courage and an independent streak. Beebe, it is time to show us you're more than just a poll driven pol.
Posted by: tooclosetothevest | August 1, 2006 10:05 AM
First of all, if the only ammunition liberals can throw at conservatives is over religious zealoutry, then conservatives will continue to enjoy the broad based movement that has transpired over the past 25 years. The majority of Americans realize the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion and that is not going to change no matter what the ACLU wants to do. Liberals are not bad for America. There should absolutely be balance in American political thought. They need to bring their message into the present and discuss issues that will affect America in the near future: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, economic affects of globalization, tax code reform, defense. We cannot keep up with this name-calling unproductive anti-progress debate (or lack there of) that conservatives and liberals have been guilty of over the past 4-5 years. Where is American pride and unity we all felt after 9/11? There are many issues that must be taken up at the local, state, and federal levels and if we do not act then we will be left behind.
Posted by: BleedRzrbkRed | August 1, 2006 10:21 AM
I agree with you 100% Rzrbk, but where are the conservatives on the issues you speak? The 1st A. does protect your freedom of religion or lack thereof, but it does allow the government to base all their actions on a religious foundation. Can you agree that a moral solution to a problem, doesn't have to be necessarilty rooted in a religious approach? I figure that if you approach a problem with basic human "morality" (maybe fairness is a better word) and are willing to logically work towards that end these matters may be better addressed.
Posted by: ? for Bleed | August 1, 2006 10:28 AM
Here's the kind of "honest" stock te the head of our coordinated campaign, Greg Hale, comes from. His dad screwed my family out of our livliehood in Lockesburg.
Here's the news account of what Hale did to the bank our money and assets were in:
Rumors preceded bank shutdown; FDIC changes locks on front door
LOCKESBURG (AP) _ Some people didn't believe the Bank of Lockesburg would close even when rumors of its trouble persisted. There were still skeptics after federal officials moved in and changed the locks on the front door.
Milton Daniels said he found it difficult to believe the bank would close, although the rumors that it would had persisted for weeks. " A bank closing is all anybody talks about in a town this size,' Daniels, manager of a convenience store across U. S. Highway 71 from the Sevier County bank, said Friday after the bank was closed.
New bank to open Monday
State Bank Commissioner Marlin Jackson closed the state-chartered Bank of Lockesburg at 3 p.m. Friday. A new bank will open Monday in the same building. It was created Friday afternoon when the Department issued an emergency charter to a new holding company, De Witt First Bancshares, Inc., which was formed by First National Bank of De Witt, Jackson said. The new institution also will be called the Bank of Lockesburg.
Jackson said the Bank of Lockesburg had suffered loan losses of about $ 3 million because of "highly irregular and imprudent decisions' by former management.
" All we've heard is street talk,' said a waitress in the Tip Top restaurant, a hangout for bank employes across the highway from the bank. " I don't believe none of it until it's proven.'
Scene in bank frenetic
The scene inside the bank was frenetic. Employes of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation wore official-looking badges. Bank employes had hand-lettered nametags.
A locksmith was called to change the locks, and Sevier County sheriff's deputies stood guard.
" No one else has got the keys?' FDIC employe Maurice Houlihan Jr. asked the locksmith, who nodded. " You sure?'
Most of the 45 FDIC employes going over the assets of the bank arrived from Jackson, Miss., Friday afternoon.
" We're in the process of reviewing the bank's files,' said Ken Gorham, the closing manager for the FDIC regional office in Dallas. " We are continuing a thorough investigation of the reason or reasons the bank failed, and performing miscellaneous functions that go along with starting an office.'
" Uncollateralled loans'
Gorham said investigators are trying to see "why so many uncollateralled loans were made.'
The bank's former president, Larry Hale, made several loans to himself, some of which are under investigation by state and federal authorities, Jackson said. He said Hale resigned several weeks ago rather than be removed by the state Bank Department.
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Investor calls term too lenient
LOCKESBURG (AP)
Leonard Hampson, 55, the major stockholder of the defunct Bank of Lockesburg, says the prison sentence of the former president of the bank was too lenient.
Hampson made the statement in a recent interview. He owned more than a third of the stock in the bank when it closed May 31, 1985. Larry W. Hale, 41, of De Queen, former president of the bank, was indicted on 29 bank fraud charges in August. Hale pleaded guilty to six charges under a plea bargain agreement
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation estimated that failure of the Bank of Lockesburg cost the taxpayers about $7 million.
Hampson, in a victim-impact statement submitted to the United States Probation Department, said his residual feelings for Hale include resentment, betrayal, humiliation and distrust.
"What Larry Hale had done to his many friends who trusted him and relied on his judgment and integrity, to his family, to my family, to everyone associated with the former Bank of Lockesburg, to the supervisory authorities, the town, the county and the general area is beyond my comprehension," the statement said.
Posted by: Sevier Born | August 1, 2006 10:42 AM
BleedRzrbkRed asked:
Where is American pride and unity we all felt after 9/11?
It was stolen from from us by the Uniter, aka, the Decider.
Posted by: hugh mann | August 1, 2006 10:42 AM
Let's see now -- "Pro-Lifers" claim "Pro-Choicer's" are Baby Killers & Pro-Choicer's believe Pro-Lifers are "Mommie" killers. It seems to me we do have a choce!
Whether or not a single "cell" of tissue has more rights than a mother!
In that regard does Mr. Asa believe a wet dream residue/tissue/embryo is more important than his wife?
Posted by: BWDIK | August 1, 2006 10:47 AM
Back to the topic, why can't a Democrat find the balls to say the obvious: that Roe v. Wade is established law in this country, and though it is imperfect it strikes a balance that acknowledges a woman's right to choose without allowing "abortion on demand." Like so many democrats, Beebe is letting fear of right-wing criticism define (or muddy) his positions. Pathetic.
Posted by: TJ | August 1, 2006 10:53 AM
First of all, since the United States is a republic, those government leaders who may base their actions on a religious foundation were elected by the majority. This is the most fair way. I would absolutely disagree that conservatism is rooted completely in religion. There are plenty of effective solutions to the issues of today that are based on "morality" or "fairness," absent of religion. Also, I think it needs to be pointed out that the first amendment guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. The reason a broad based conservative movement has rose and endured is because the conservatives have come up with solutions to problems that are based in logic. For instance, tax policy with respect to the Laffer curve, privatization, and defense. There are still many issues, such as spending that either party can change and greatly improve their standing with the American public. These issues have nothing to do with religious views or preferences. The religious issues will probably stay prevalent as long as conservatives are in power because there is a large part of the conservative that believes those isseus are important, but both sides need to step back and realize there are much less controversial issues that are immediately more important that need to be taken up and changed.
Posted by: BleedRzrbkRed | August 1, 2006 10:57 AM
Many of the our problems (city,state,nation & world) are caused by unloved, unwanted children. Think of it, the school learning & behavior problems can't be solved without parental involvement. The same goes for crime, if parents don't give love,guidence & wisdom children will never learn right from wrong.
No one likes the idea of abortion, but the unpleasant truth is some people are incapable of being a parent. This is not a PC thing to say but its the truth. Most humane people had rather an egg not be fertilized than seeing a hungary,unloved child being raised (magrinally) by a parent who doesn't care about them.
Things change in society, even in the bible, if not we would still be sleeping with our relatives (if Adam & Eve populated the earth, brothers & sisters had to sleep togather in the beginning)
Conservative philosophy holds that if you don't give teen condoms, they will not have sex. If you are going to take away abortion (which sould not be a BC method) and the morning after pill, at least make condoms available.
And while I'm on this rant, when will we stand up to the Catholic Church regarding condoms in Africa? AIDS medicine is nice, but what about prevention?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 11:01 AM
How does Halter stand on this issue???
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 11:27 AM
Halter stands for the $1,000,000 he gave his campaign, money made from porn
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 11:40 AM
If God didn't intend for teenagers to have sex, he wouldn't have made them so horny.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 12:40 PM
If abortion is murder, why do so many support an exception in cases of rape or incest? Do those who are the product of rape or incest not also have a right to life?
Posted by: Hypocrite Hunter | August 1, 2006 01:21 PM
I'm proud of my church for making a strong statement on this issue. I wish there were more brave, progressive Democrats like Bumpers in Arkansas. Perhaps, it is easier when I belong to a church that has a strong view on this issue.
[W]e are...bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother, for whom devastating damage may result from an unacceptable pregnancy. In continuity with past Christian teaching, we recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures. (United Methodist Church, 2000 General Conference)
Posted by: JDB | August 1, 2006 01:21 PM
What the hell is conservative about getting involved in such a personal issue?
Posted by: Hypocrite Hunter | August 1, 2006 01:30 PM
Roe v. wade is not established law! To say it is is BS from the gates of hell. Murder is against the LAW period. Women who aborts a child are guilty of murdering a human life!
Beebe must not be elected for anything other than garbage man.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 02:42 PM
The main problem with Roe v. Wade is that it is the result of an activist court. Abortion is an issue that, constitutionally, should be left to the states. No matter where you stand on the moral side of it, the Supreme Court over stepped its constitutional rights concerning "any power not explicitly given to federal government will be reserved to the states." Nowhere in the Constitution is abortion addressed and therefore is a state issue.
Posted by: BleedRzrbkRed | August 1, 2006 02:53 PM
The standard, boiler-plate liberal line. I don't see anything here but another dodge. I wonder if his 'I'm agin it personally but its a personal decision' applies to beating up your spouse. It's all in the family.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 03:20 PM
Yes, the United Methodist Church has graciously provided us with a new definition of human life. If it is 'unacceptable' it is ok to terminate it. You need to edit your book of Exodus to say 'Thou shall not murder (unless it is an unacceptable life)'.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 03:24 PM
I understand that the United Methodist Church got that position from its original source---Dr. Josef Mengela.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 03:27 PM
"Where is American pride and unity we all felt after 9/11?"
George "WMD, Gitmo, Haditha, Katrina" Bush wiped his rear with the world's sympathy and then tossed it at them. The best chance we had for world peace was in the weeks following 9-11. Our friends and even detractors held out their hands in support. A brighter administration would have built on that to intelligently remove the bad guys and deal with the age old problems that pit the have-nots against the haves.
But the Air Guard pilot that quit, the cow-less cowboy and the old Nixon men who lost the Vietnam War took this opportunity for unity across the globe and turned it into a grab for someone else's oil. And as Paul Harvey says, you know the......rest.....of...the....story.
I must be anti-abortion in my soul. I had me a lot of sex in my youth, but I only got the mother of my children pregnant. I must have been so anti-abortion that I willed millions of wild sperm to behave and act like tiny little gentlemen. I trained them sperm so well because I was afraid of what would happen if I got someone I wasn't married to, pregnant. And I suppose there was some luck involved too.
But not everyone is so attentive or so lucky. I've known some nice people with poorly behaving sperm and wild-assed eggs they couldn't do anything with. Some went ahead and got married. Some women had a child without the father being involved. Most had an abortion. I didn't think any of them needed my 2 cents worth of advice or judgement. And I never saw any of them heading to Tulsa or Little Rock to the abortion clinics with a smile.
Every woman I knew that had an abortion felt terrible about it. A few were never the same again. None viewed abortion as a means of birth control. Most will carry the shame to their graves. None need our scorn.
Beebe is walking the safe line on abortion. For the sake of the people of Arkansas, Beebe must walk the safe line from now to November. One only needs to look at our sister state Oklahoma to see what you get with Asas and Jim Holts in charge.
I'm sure we'll see a more relaxed and forthcoming Mike Beebe after he has safely vanquished the wing-nuts in the next election.
Posted by: Deathbyinches | August 1, 2006 03:34 PM
Yes, but how are you better off if your support consists primarily of moon bats?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 03:44 PM
Deathbyinches, you're a f**king DUMBASS. Oklahoma has a Democrat for Governor.
They also, by the way, lead Arkansas in every measurable statistic.
And your comment, "I'm sure we'll see a more relaxed and forthcoming Mike Beebe after he has safely vanquished the wing-nuts in the next election," is like saying, I'm sure my girlfriend will be prettier and funnier once she's my wife.
Who would think that way but you?
Beebe doesn't think like you. Worse, he'll lie to you and say he does. I'd stick with the guy who said what he thought, whether or not I agree with him, at least I know what I'm getting. A liar like Beebe who has the issues both ways dupes some who disagree with him 100% into thinking that they're on the same side.
Posted by: CTS | August 1, 2006 04:25 PM
Women who aborts a child are guilty of murdering a human life!
So are soldiers in Iraq, but you cheer them on.
If you oppose abortion and support the war, you're a hypocrite -- and the worst kind: a paid one. You're only interested in preserving life when it meets your political ends.
Posted by: Roland | August 1, 2006 06:23 PM
Oklahoma has a Democrat for Governor.
Posted by: CTS
And the poor guy has his hands full trying to lead the least progressive, most conservative state in the union. Oklahoma makes Texas look like California.
I'd stick with the guy who said what he thought, whether or not I agree with him
What a statement. And you call DBI "a f**king DUMBASS". You are, without a doubt, the expert in that department.
Posted by: Spirit | August 1, 2006 09:41 PM
Thank you Spirit. Who knows who is Governor of Oklahoma, haven't heard a peep out of him in ages. He's drowned out by Inhofe, of the family of no divorces or queers and that nut Colburn who performed abortions before he was against abortion and sterilized women against their will. Those 2 are the only reason I thank Allah for Pryor and Lincoln.
I guess Hitler said what he thought, I guess Mel Gibson said what he thought this past weekend too. Jim Holt says what he thinks and holy sweet Jesus on the cross...scare me!
Again I say, Inhofe and Colburn are excellent examples of what we'd have if we had Asa and Jesus Jim in office. If they were elected we might as well just paint a giant KICK ME banner across the state of Arkansas. This state can do better than that.
Posted by: Deathbyinches | August 1, 2006 10:24 PM
Hey DBI-
Why does Oklahoma lead Arkansas in every measurable statistic?
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 10:51 PM
Left over oil money and left over oil money.
Posted by: Deathbyinches | August 1, 2006 11:00 PM
Oh, ok. You're a dumbass. There is no oil in most of Oklahoma.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 1, 2006 11:34 PM
Are you 12 years old?
Posted by: Deathbyinches | August 2, 2006 12:49 AM
'He's pro choice whether he says so or not'.
GOOD.
All the women of child bearing age in this state had better vote for pro choice candidates. It's not up to some uppity white men to decide what happens to a woman's body. It's her choice and an expression of her God given free will. Vote choice before we end up like S. Dakota!
As for Beebe, he's got my vote.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2006 06:47 AM
"Women who aborts a child are guilty of murdering a human life!
So are soldiers in Iraq, but you cheer them on."
You can't differentiate between killing a combatant in a war with murdering an innocent child in the mother's womb. I pity you.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 2, 2006 06:56 AM
People today get all caught up in terms that they have no idea if they are valid or who supports them. Meaning Liberal and Conservative; what one man calls conservative is very liberal to another. Me; I absloutely will not support Abortion in any form, Period. That is killing and we now have stem cell research to prove that a huamn embryo is a valid life form at 8 days. Funny, jewish scripture supports this some 2000 years ago. But, killing in war is OK and valid. As for the candadates I say vote the incumbants out, but that is my opinion. They have been in other offices so out they go. You say that is throwing your vote away. I say it is my vote, and it is my heart. And I won't fall for stupid propaganda tricks, like throwing your vote away to get me to mainstream like the rest of you.
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November 6, 2006 05:03 PM
No one really wants to hear what I have to say about homosexuals! Not 'gay' that means happy in an old dictionary. These people have a problem alright and it is not any mistake of nature. It is they want things their way; Period. These individuals have been around since the beginning of history. They should have stayed in the closet. After all it is not fair, to allow them to flaunt their attrocities against nature in front of children. Nature did not make any mistake and they can not prove otherwise! Oh, they can find a few doctors to say that their genetics made a mistake, but they can not prove otheriwse or they would publish the findings, folks. When I say publish it I don't mean some newspaper article either, I mean a true scientific journal, or the AMA. But, what is a problem; is that 'Men' for the most part in society today have a security problem and they feel more confortable around men and not around women. While women have grown the other way. This is not genetic but a new type of social acceptance and is purely knowledge based. The 'poor' little men can't talk to a real woman so they feel they must be a homo. And the women for the most part are tired of 'insecure' little worms and want to run things so they start their own personal form of revolution; and Guys "It is working!" They now control the majority of the voting power.
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November 6, 2006 05:28 PM
Let me tell you a funny story. Starts this way; a group says that they want government to be for the little man; to get good health care, to get a good retirement, to rasie wages, and other things that he needs to have a good life. Then there is another group which people say is for Big Corporations and all they want is to support the needs of these Big Companies and not for the little guy who does All the work. Well, now I would like to stand in the middle of all of this "hooplah" and say 'Hogwash'. We have the best people in government that money from both sides 'Can Buy' and usually always does. Plus, if I had my head on straight, I would realize that if the so called Big Companies, like GM, Ford, and Chrysler, and hundreds of others were not happy, and the costs were TOO High; I would just start investing my money else where and slowly pull the plug on America. And if I were a smart man I would watch the money trail and realize that this is already happening. I would see that the Old Fashion GM, is now fully tied to more foreign markets than it is American, and the same goes for the other two. Plus, if I were a smart man I would read the articles that the World Bank publishes, and wants you to read, and realize that this is a global thing, not a local conspiracy.
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November 6, 2006 05:46 PM