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Mr. Wildmon, I think I will forward this to my Methodist friends. They will agree with everything she's said. As I forward it, I think I'll also link to Snyder's campaign website and encourage them to make a donation to his campaign.

wow!
what fabulous sermons, both. really exemplify the Christian teachings of "love thy neighbor" and "judge not lest ye be judged."

i'm proud of both Betsy And Vic !

I guess the question to my methodist friends is does what she advocate reflect the beliefs of the methodist church? If it doesn't, why is she in good standing with the church?

By the way, I am not a baptist.

Methodists respect intellectual inquiry into tough issues. You have to read the sermons -- she builds upon the Methodist Social Principles -- the AFA headline is provocative but she never uses those phrases.

Typical Quapaw Quarter blab with a little Hillcrest thrown in.
Brantley, this is not news. You just want to stir up trouble. We all know Miss Singleton has had multiple husbands and is now married to the most socialist member of congress. But...not for long. Andy Mayberry, R-Ar is all you need to report.

Does the methodist church believe that Jesus is 'the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'? This is the most basic tenent of the Christian faith. It is not ambiguous.

clarify.."but not for long'...as in Vic won't be in congress much longer.

actually, anon, we didnt all know that "Miss Singleton" has had multiple husbands. And now that I do know, I dont care, and I dont see what that has to do wtih the price of tea in China or this election either.

I'm a Methodist, and I'm always surprised when someone is criticized simply because they're Methodist. We're pretty easy-going. You don't have to believe what we believe. You don't have to go to our church, like those churches that claim to be the One True Church, to avoid going to hell.

I guess its the intellectual inquiry into tough issues that people don't like?
I think it's a shame that Pastor Singleton or whatever she likes to be called, but Im pretty sure it isnt Miss Singleton, is being singled out and criticized about this. She just had a baby. Leave the poor woman alone. If you dont want to listen to her sermons and hear her horrid liberal evil viewpoints, don't go to her church.

If you think that makes her husband evil, dont vote for him, but don't make a big smear campaign out of it. if that's all you have -- If you don't have enough positive factors about Andy of Mayberry so instead you have to create negatives about Vic Snyder -- I'd say your campaign is sucking air.

Why do we need a Bible at all?

Jesus was a First Century David Koresh with some David Blaine thrown-in.

Let's just use logic and compassion, love our neighbors because it makes sense to do so, and forget about trying to square the unsquarable.

Anon 920 a.m.: She took her points for the first sermon from the United Methodist Book of Discipline, so I'd have to say that her sermon does reflect the beliefs of the Methodist church.

many years ago, the Methodist church's official position on abortion was that abortion is never a good answer, but sometimes there are no good answers to problems. I always liked that.

and anon at 9:41, yes of course the Methodists believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Why would you think otherwise? We also believe that we get into heaven not by works or deeds but through the grace of God. I dont think God is going to be too happy wtih all these hateful people running smear campaigns involving a perfectly nice minister, but that's just my opinion.

another thing I like about the Methodist church is that I'm entitled to have my own opinion and so are you. Nobody's better than anybody else. wtihin reason of course, you can't be a methodist and worship satan or anything weird like that.

I think this whole issue about Betsy falls under the "Do unto others" rule but evidently some people feel that all's fair in love, war, and politics.

and anon at 9:41, yes of course the Methodists believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. Why would you think otherwise?

From reading her sermon.

Guess I've got a reading disability but I've read that sermon several times and it sure seems to repudiate Jesus teaching that no one gets to God except through him.

Either the Reverend is wrong or Jesus is.

As to Andy Mayberry... please he has as much chance of winning against Vic as W has of being re-elected president in 2008.

From Rev Singleton's sermon on homosexuality: "My mother, in describing my early affinity for men, tells of my own infatuation at age three with Ricardo Montalban and some of my decidedly flattering comments about his effect on me!"

Isn't 3 a little young to be "infatuated" with an adult male? Infatuation is defined as: "Possessed by an unreasoning passion or attraction."
Who's to say that a child's confused passion or "infatuation" with a member of the same sex is truly proof of it being an inherent trait. The Reverand Singleton certainly was able to overcome her unnatural passion and attraction to Ricardo Montalban.

Last time I checked, no one in the United Methodist Church was claiming that the Book of Discipline represents the direct word of God (especially since they amend it every few years). Despite what Wildmon and the orthodox movement in the UMC espouses, Betsy's opinions represent the struggle a lot of Methodists have with largely manmade restrictions. After all, Jesus didn't trouble himself with preaching against homosexuality, and it wasn't important enough to make the Ten Commandments. I agree with Max-- this is just a pitiful attempt to create political damage for Vic.

And no, O Anonymous Coward, I don't think Mayberry's candidacy is costing Vic a lot of sleep these days.

I read one of her sermons and I think she's an excellent speaker based on the text. Good for her! I hope Vic invites some of his colleagues to hear her sermons. They need the exposure.

She's returning to the pulpit this Sunday for the first time since going on maternity leave. If you have ever wanted to visit Quapaw it would be a good Sunday.

When exactly did Christianity get overtaken with haters? These are the folks that really seem to relish the Jesus which threw out the moneychangers, but forget about the Jesus who preached the Sermon on the Mount. These haters call themselves "Christians" but really dwell on the Old Testament while forgetting the teachings of Jesus. They should quit calling themselves Christians and start calling themselves Old Testamonians.

Thank you Betsy for sharing your insights and compassion with your congregation and now the rest of us. In your life I can see the Light of Jesus.

When Jesus said in John's Gospel that he is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through me he also says in the same chapter that those who love him obey his commandments. He goes on to say that this is how you will know those who love me.

How do you reconcile these two statements with the assertion that it doesn't matter. This is why I ask the question of those who are methodists.

While Rep Vic Snyder is not invincible, Andy Mayberry's campaign has been extremely weak. If your only selling point is that you think you are morally superior to Vic Snyder and that you want to lower taxes without regard to balancing the budget, you probably have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

I'm just curious --- how do Christians pick & choose which parts of the bible they like. Is it by denomination? regional preferences? Day of the week? Mood?

Mayberry was just a power-hungry narcisist in my book before the past few weeks shenanigans..

It is apparent that he will do and say anything to get elected as long as he is hidden behind the veil of internet anonymity.

Next we'll hear the Swiftboat Baptists for "Truth" how that socialist Snyder gave a gay-illegal-immigrant-homeless-foster-parent bum a quarter.

The Bible says, "Be angry but do not sin." and "the anger of man does not work the righteousness of God" within a few verses of each other. It is a dicotemy I've always tried to understand when overwhelmed by my own anger. For some reason we need our anger. Pyshcologists tell us that anger internalized is depression. We all know that there is very little good use for our anger.

I find it fascinating that anger is now the order of the day in poliitics and a great deal of our religion. These folks are so anxious to send all these sinners to hell. They can't abide liberals. They seem to think that they must all be lazy useless commies that are after their last hard earned dollar.

The worst of it though is those that use such sick people for their political ends.

George,
You forgot about the 'Andy Griffith Show!' Maybe Vic can base his campaign on a tv show too. ha!

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but {wanting} to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

This is from 2 Timothy 4 and I think it pretty much sums up everything.

I am the way, the truth, and the life. He who has seen me has seen the father. The greatest commandment, love the father with all your heart, soul, and mind, and your brother as yourself.

All sound familiar? Where is the big question? Jesus lived a life of intelligence, love, peace, joy, healing, reconciliation, and patience and then said, "This is what God is like. Love this above all and be at peace with your fellow man."

Where in there is judgement, fear, hate and hell? Open your eyes folks, your ears and your hearts. Give up the anger, fear, and hate. Jesus saves and he can save you from this hell on earth that you have found.

Those with eyes to see, let them see. Those with ears to hear, let them hear.

God gave us the ability to reason because it is a spiritual necessity.

If we do not have cognitive disonence at some point, there is not such thing as faith.

TV evangelists, pastors, etc. can only relay their personal interpretation of reality. They can never preach what is "true," because only God knows Truth.

Christians that sit idle an believe everything that is spewed from their favorite TV evangelist's mouth are guilty of spiritual dereliction for not exercising the mind God gave them.

We come closer to truth by discussing controversial issues, not taking a stance and professing everyone else is wrong and going to Hell because they don't see it our way.

Rev. Singleton is guilty only of helping Christians becoming stronger in their faith, not compromising it.

These sermons were part of a series - "Difficult Questions Christians Face." If you read the sermon's you'll notice that she thoughtfully examined and presented both sides of the issues, and then gave her own opinions.

I think we need more of that. By all means, have an opinion, but think through the issue instead of having a knee jerk reaction. Why would God give us a brain if he didn't intend for us to use them?

There isn't a member at QQUMC who would begrudge someone who still thought homosexuality was a sin if they actually took the time to think about it, investigated it, and still had their belief.

It answers everything Ok, but about which side?

Jesus lived a life of intelligence, love, peace, joy, healing, reconciliation, and patience

You left out a life of 'obedience'.

We're missing the point here, people. The American Family Association, based in Tupelo, MS., is a radical, right wing bunch who make their living off of contributions from others of their ilk. They are very akin to the KKK, except their obsession is homosexuality.
They can't attack Vic directly, so they go after his wife and the entire Methodist Church.
The AFA have no shame. A pox on them.

These sermon examples by Rev. Singleton are indicative of why the United Methodist denomination is losing membership on a national basis. If they keep allowing this type preaching to emanate from their pulpits, they will continue to lose converts. It's a sad day, for the Methodists were once a fundamental part of the the great Revival Movement of the 1800's in the US.

I'm sure that the Wesley brothers are turning over in their graves at this being "preached" from the pulpits of the great denomination they founded.

However, on the bright side, you can still hear the "Word" preached as it was from the early days of Methodism in UMC churches all over rural Arkansas. You've just got to get outta the Heights to hear it.

These sermon examples by Rev. Singleton are indicative of why the United Methodist denomination is losing membership on a national basis. If they keep allowing this type preaching to emanate from their pulpits, they will continue to lose converts. It's a sad day, for the Methodists were once a fundamental part of the the great Revival Movement of the 1800's in the US.

I'm sure that the Wesley brothers are turning over in their graves at this being "preached" from the pulpits of the great denomination they founded.

However, on the bright side, you can still hear the "Word" preached as it was from the early days of Methodism in UMC churches all over rural Arkansas. You've just got to get outta the Heights to hear it.

These sermon examples by Rev. Singleton are indicative of why the United Methodist denomination is losing membership on a national basis. If they keep allowing this type preaching to emanate from their pulpits, they will continue to lose converts. It's a sad day, for the Methodists were once a fundamental part of the the great Revival Movement of the 1800's in the US.

I'm sure that the Wesley brothers are turning over in their graves at this being "preached" from the pulpits of the great denomination they founded.

However, on the bright side, you can still hear the "Word" preached as it was from the early days of Methodism in UMC churches all over rural Arkansas. You've just got to get outta the Heights to hear it.

These sermon examples by Rev. Singleton are indicative of why the United Methodist denomination is losing membership on a national basis. If they keep allowing this type preaching to emanate from their pulpits, they will continue to lose converts. It's a sad day, for the Methodists were once a fundamental part of the the great Revival Movement of the 1800's in the US.

I'm sure that the Wesley brothers are turning over in their graves at this being "preached" from the pulpits of the great denomination they founded.

However, on the bright side, you can still hear the "Word" preached as it was from the early days of Methodism in UMC churches all over rural Arkansas. You've just got to get outta the Heights to hear it.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but {wanting} to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

Yeah, that pretty much sums up the followers of John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and that pastor that protests outside military funerals.

Sounds like all those that endorse Bush because he is "pro-life" but turn a blind eye to the 3,000 Iraqi innocents that die everymonth, or our poor and elderly here at home that fight to survive while he advocates for tax breaks for the richest in the world despite record shattering deficiets.

Christianity is not a 'free-for-all' of believe what you want to and we'll just tolerate it. There are differences within Christianity but on essential elements of the faith we are united.

I do not belief that the methodist church accepts the belief that you can do your own thing relative to Jeusus being the way, the truth and the life. Obedience to the Father is not an option among Christians just as it was not an option to his Son.

Sorry about the quadruple post. I could not get the post to go through and clicked on it multiple times...guess they each went through. Again, my bad...I'm sorry.

The please include obedience. Just leave out the judgements. Try to find a little understanding.

anon at 1034:

First of all, if Jesus is squarely on your side and not mine, why are you anonymous but I'm not??? If He reads this blog, he can ask Max for my email address and get in touch with me if He wants.

I know for sure Im going to regret asking this, but which of the Ten Commandments is, Thou shalt not, for goodness sakes, be one of them there homos?????

as i posted before, Methodists believe that we enter heaven through the grace of God alone. I would have a really hard time believing that any human went through an entire lifetime wtihout breaking at least one of the Ten Commandments, but I guess you could be the exception to that rule.

I thought Jesus mainly taught us to love one another and help one another along. I didnt realize He was the first jerry falwell fighting them gay people.

yes obviously if Rev Singleton was infatuated wtih Ricardo Montalban when she was three, she's deeply troubled, Im so glad you realized that and pointed it out. I thought all three-year-olds did and said silly things but I guess you must be the exception. come on, you're really goign to criticize the woman over what she did or thought when she was three years old???

no wonder you stay anonymous. I guess i would too in that case.

Dear God at 10:43 -- each denomination has a different interpretation of the Bible. We don't pick one version this week and a different one next week. I personally dont like those churches who insist that they're the only ones who are right and all the rest of us are headed straight to hell in a handbasket based on THEIR interpretation of the Bible.

I surely did not know that Jesus was just another David Koresh with some other pervert thrown in, thank you for enlightening me.

Now you must know that's ridiculous. Where in the Bible does it tell us that Jesus lived in a closed community wtih a lot of firepower and abused women and children for his own sexual gratification?? David Koresh was evidently crazy as a Bessie-bug and its not very nice, in my opinion, to compare Jesus to that person. that smacks of having no rational argument when you resort to those tactics.

All this tells us is what Rev. Singleton believed on that particular day and in that specific context. You can't hold her theology either for or against Vic Snyder. There have been (and are) other marriages that might appear to affect politics and policy development in this state...and yet...it's really nobody's business. Judges married to Journalists...Activists married to Businessmen...Governors married to an employee of a non-profit that works closely with and depends on the agency they liason with. What's the big deal?

Why is it the Christian folks who scream about morals all the time have the fewest themselves? They fantasize about an unseen do-nothing god and unborn fetuses (who pay no taxes and are not known to support Bush-Cheney), but gladly tear the ass-end out of everyone else. What a sad commentary on human beings.

I'm delighted in knowing that I only have to put up with you all for another 20 years or so. After that I'll be dead and enjoying not going to heaven and not sitting on anyone's right hand. Perverts! I just hope I can stomach killer Christians until I die without losing it and going postal when someone unfairly attacks one of the flock like the always pitiful Mr. Wildmon.

With people like him, who needs Osama or the devil to fear?

Interesting. Not surprisingly, each individual's "God" ALWAYS serves their belief. This is a flaw.

In other words, this is a situation where potentially 1 million individual christians have 1 million different views and beliefs ALL OF WHICH rest uon the belief that "their" God is serving them.

Do we not see the technical problem here? The fallacy?
just wondering? Do christians wonder about the danger in argumenting from authority?

well blast it all, I left my name off that anonymous poast at 1112, when I was criticizing someone else for posting anonymously. Sorry about that.

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When Jesus said in John's Gospel that he is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through me he also says in the same chapter that those who love him obey his commandments. He goes on to say that this is how you will know those who love me.

How do you reconcile these two statements with the assertion that it doesn't matter. This is why I ask the question of those who are methodists.
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How we reconcile those two statements, I believe, is that Jesus does not say that ONLY if someone goes through an entire lifetime without breaking one of the commandments, not even once, will that person get into heaven.

the first statement above is not contingent on the second. Heaven would be mighty lonesome if everyone who'd ever sinned was left out, wouldnt it?

we had a pharmacist here who lived to be 99. someone asked him once if he wouldnt rather be in heaven at his age, since he really couldnt do much and, in fact, he had to retire when he was only 90. He said no thanks, he figured he knew a lot more people down here than he would know in heaven so he'd just stick around.

if i left my name off this one again, its tina. sorry about the other post, i didnt mean to do that.

the AFA is based in tupelo MS -- well nothing intelligent should be based in tupelo, right? ;) (just kidding but they can keep their hogwash over there)

ol' blue eyes, just for that, you have to clean up tonight when everyone's through posting.

Like any of these people were wondering if they should give Vic their vote. Vic is a very bright guy, a loving husband, and an excellent politician.

All the self righteous nuts should vote for Andy. He will vote their conscience.

Thank God the rest of us get to vote for Vic.

The tide is turning nut cases. Your incompetence has left you out in the cold. At least you have your absolute certainty. HOld on tight.

Faith, Hope, and Love, but the greatest of these is Faith.

Huh, no, that's not right. Oh yeah, the greatest of these is Love.

Wasn't there something about seek not your own way before that?

If you are offended by the Rev. Singleton's sermons, by all means do NOT go to the First United Methodist Church website (www.fumclr.org) and read any of the sermons by the Rev. Dr. Michael Mattox or the Rev. Jeanie Burton. Be particularly careful not to read Burton's sermon entitled "Freeing Jesus" delivered in May of 2004.

In other words, this is a situation where potentially 1 million individual christians have 1 million different views and beliefs ALL OF WHICH rest on the belief that "their" God is serving them. -- Posted by: God
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The main fallacy here is yours - no Christian religion takes the position that God is serving them.

This blog tolerates a lot of vulgarities and tasteless comments which everyone takes in stride. But claiming the name "God" as your pseudonym is unfortunate. I find it difficult to quote and make enlightening, disagreeable or disparaging comments directed toward you as an author when I cannot address you by name. This same would apply if you chose the name of Allah, Buddha or anything similar.

Others may disagree with me, but I would respectfully ask that you please claim another consistent name which, though offensive, vulgar or politically incorrect, would not hinder others from responding directly to you.

See, this is what happens when people aren't loyal to their organizations.

Let's kick Betsy out of the United Methodist Church for not agreeing 100% with it's beliefs.

And also, let's kick Mark Pryor out of the Senate and Democratic Party for supporting current Democratic Senator and former VP nominee Joseph Lieberman.

What's up with all these losers wanting tolerance?

"And also, let's kick Mark Pryor out of the Senate and Democratic Party for supporting current Democratic Senator and former VP nominee Joseph Lieberman."...Purity time

Here's the very first sentence of the DSCC's formal mission statement:
"Our mission is to elect more Democrats to the United States Senate."

If Pryor is in conflict with the goals, he needs to resign his position and support anyone he wishes.

I can't believe this thread. Religious beliefs should have nothing to do with running for elected office. And the defenders of Singleton/Snyder should be the first ones to say it!! This country is not framed by the Constitution to be a Christians-only endeavor. Shame on all of ya!

"The main fallacy here is yours - no Christian religion takes the position that God is serving them."

Don Keyhotay 12:28

Whether it was an intentional or not, it seems you have misinterpreted the post you quoted. It does not seem that the poster's intention was to say that God served them, like a waiter.

Examination of the context reveals that the poster's intent was the fact that people's perception of God serves their own purpose...

apparently just as your perception of the above poster's comment served YOUR purpose.

Basil:
I re-read the post and at least agree that maybe it sounds ambiguous.

Thus continuing the history of differing interpretations of what "God" said.

Some of the comments here have nothing to do with the political issue. They are comments that are limited specifically to the religious issue. I don't care who she is married to.

God himself, herself, itself has given me the "free will" to use whatever name I want.

Jesus Christ! Get a grip. Some of you believers are awfully touchy.

The easy-to-understand version of my argument for your benefit basically is: If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't. I mean, every religious person I know is a freakin' authority on God's intentions and will and all of that. It's ridiculous. You can believe in a God, I think that is possible, but making claims on God's will or belief or judgements in illogical.

Quit being so touchy and take back control over YOUR LIFE.

Quit "handing over" your life to something else. How silly is that?
I mean, really? I handed my life over to this "thing" I believe is "there" "somewhere" and when I die, I'll go "there"....
you people should listen to yourselves.

"Religious beliefs should have nothing to do with running for elected office"
Anon 01:17

I wasn't aware that Rev. Singleton is running for an elected office (she is who the article and thread is about). But if she is, I will vote for her!

God himself, herself, itself has given me the "free will" to use whatever name I want. Posted by: God
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OK-Pick whatever name you wish to use. Exercising free will has its own logical consequences.

Jesus Christ is my way, truth and light. I teach about Jesus Christ and I witness to others about my faith in Jesus Christ. But, at the same time, I also truly believe that this same creator God is revealed to many cultures in many different ways - all revelations as valid as mine.

What did Jesus mean when he said in John 14:6:

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

To whom was it said? Into what historical and cultural setting was it said, experienced and understood? Have our best scholars interpreted it succinctly from that language, understanding and culture into our language, understanding and culture? Out of context "proof texting" is not helpful to our understanding of this Biblical truth.

How do we understand this truth in light of our belief and understanding of the Holy Trinity?

There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus truly uttered these or similar words to the people of the day in which he walked among us. His mission was to reveal God to all who would believe. Some believed but, alas, most did not. Their hate, ignorance and intolerance put Jesus on a cross of crucifixion at the town dump.

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. His words mean what the appear to mean.

I'll bet you anything Betsy knew that those sermons could be used "against" Vic when she did them. Not that it makes it right, but she knows as well as any of us what the far right will do to take down a liberal democrat.

Given the voter base in his district, I don't think Vic's really worried about what Mr. Wildmon thinks. Anyone on his mailing list probably wouldn't ever vote for Vic anyway.

You have a point.

Those that would criticize Rev. Singleton should remember that she gave these sermons out of faith and love in spite of the fact that her husband was a congressman.

That speaks more to her integrity and faith than any number of anonymous bloggers can with self-serving religious rhetoric.

She has the spirit and faith to stand up in the face of possible opposition and preach for the well-being of her congregation (and all God's people) despite criticism that affects not only her, but potentially her family.

That's guts. That's faith. That's the strength of God in a woman.

Church and State

Church and State are Machiavellian brother and sister, each seeking to grab as much of the family fortune and power as they can. Each institution points to the past for proof that they are vindicated by age-old custom. Yet, what is age-old is not necessarily sacrosanct and what is tradition is not always best for the times.
If history has taught us anything, it is that nearly all humans are followers, wanting to be led by some other person, entity, ideals, principles, or their own hedonistic nature. We "follow in the footsteps," "follow our heart," "follow the leader," and "follow the rules." Precious little thinking is required or demanded and only a little trust or faith is needed. People are that willing to follow and rest content in the decisions of others they deem their betters or leaders.
Nothing unites or divides humankind so much as Church and State. It is the blessing and the curse of modern civilization. Without it, we might not have achieved the heights of invention and discovery that changed our lives for the better, and with it, we certainly have destroyed much of the earth and its resources and have brought the most abominable horrors into people's lives.
It is very easy to imagine Church and State coming about in other civilizations on planets elsewhere in this universe. These titanic institutions seem to have a universal aura about them. How else can you tap into the mass mind and global soul and lead them so easily? It's because we all are born seeking and needing help to survive.
So, if you want to want to fuss and fight over the finer points of your dogmas, customs, rules or laws, remember this:
The world existed for billions of years without Church and State and will exist for billions more after they're gone. Neither will be missed as much as you think.

The Rev. Betsy Singleton is not better known as the wife of Congressman Vic Snyder. She was a respected and beloved Methodist minister long before she and Vic became a couple.

This latest episode in the tawdry history of the radical right's crusade against Vic Snyder is typical of these fundamentalist scumbags. They don't just want to defeat Snyder; they want to defeat him in a certain way, and lies and distortions mean nothing to these people. They have no scruples.

If we weren't committed to attending our own socially liberal church next Sunday, my wife and I would consider visiting Betsy's church to help her congregation welcome her back. Our community is fortunate to have people like Vic and Betsy.

Oops! That was my post at 9:56.

METHODIST MINISTER MARRIED TO CONGRESSMAN

So, "Separation of Church and State" is only screeched when the Repubs do it??

It all makes sense now! Hoo hoo!

P.S.... Are they really married???? I mean, her last name is "SINGLETON" and his last name is "SNYDER"?? I think you guys are WRONG about them being MARRIED!!

Pwned from Santa Barbara!

"seprataion of ch---" oh yeah... only when its the gop, only when its the gop... hoo ha!

Hey Blarney,

Take it easy on the sauce. I don't think you can separate anything as blurred as your thinking has been tonight. Anyway, you can't separate Church & State; there two sides of the same coin: Power. See Maji's comments a few minutes back for further elucidation on that point.
Are you sure your last name isn't Fife? You talk like some retro-sixties TV sitcom second string character with identity issues. Is that a bullet in your pocket or are you just glad to see your girlfriend?
Ooops, I'm sorry! I get it. You're trying to imitate some stone age humor.
I hate to say it but in the few missives you've sent, you've gone downhill faster than anyone else on this blog. I think you've set the record.
Way to go, man.

To Speak Truth in Love:

Thank you for again remeinding us of our Master's (teachers') and Savior's words. I needed that reminder. It's easy to hang on to the anger at these despicable acting people. However, their lives are the ones that are to be pitied.

Everyone: reread the Sermon on the Mount.

Good God, a target this large and the trolls aren't even hitting it.

Max, do you have the budget to hire some sharp trolls, or trolling consultants?

Maybe we've beat the poor little right-wingers down to where their hearts just aren't in it anymore.

But if you guys don't step up your game, I'm going to pretend I'm a conservative and show you how to troll a liberal.

You troll like Bush governs. Worse than poorly.

Max,

Thanks for linking to the sermons on the QQUMC website, not the copies the AFA posted on their website -- without regard to copyright.

Yes, Christianity in its Biblical totality is not a cafeteria religion in which you can choose what you want to believe. If you think that the the scriptures are elastic to fit your own lifestyle, then you are certain of eternal torment.

Leviticus offers women and men a non-nonsense instruction on how women should conduct themselves according to Laws of the Lord.

Remember, this is the Word of God and we cannot temporize or rationalize. It must be followed, or we will receive eternal damnation and unrelenting horror and fear.
It is my prayer that we'll all agree to dedicate ourselves to this regimen, including the misguided Miss Betsey. If we fail, there will be the fire next time.

Leviticus 15:19-30
And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she shall be unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness.

HEY PIGEONS---

CHRISTIANS DON'T FOLLOW LEVITICUS, WE AREN'T JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OLD TESTAMENT = JEWISH LAWS FOR JEWS

NEW TESTAMENT = JESUS COMES AND SAYS "NO NO, ITS ABOUT LOVE, YOU GUYS ARE MISSING THE POINT WITH ALL THIS 'DONT WALK ON SUNDAY' BIT"

IF I HERE ONE MORE LIBERAL TRY TO 'DAMN" ME BY QUOTING FRMO THE JEWISH OLD TESTAMENT I WILL SCREEEEEEEEECH!!!!!!

Fred,

Awfully early to be screaming at everyone, isn't it? I hope you can find some peace today. And I hope I don't work with you or pass you on the highway...

That's interesting that you would say (scream), "CHRISTIANS DON'T FOLLOW LEVITICUS, WE AREN'T JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" It is my understand that all of the references that "conservatives" use to damn homosexuals come from the old testament. What's up with that?

Shake and bake. Did you see that? THAT JUST HAPPENED!

"It is my understand that all of the references that "conservatives" use to damn homosexuals come from the old testament. What's up with that?"

Either A-it's pat robertson and don't listen to him, or B-it's one of your old tricks...

Real folks base their text from Paul in Corinthians or passages in Galatians... there the Bible makes it clear the 'incompatibility' of homosexuality with Christ's plan, BUT, the focus is on love and there is none of the old Jewish "kill a man for layingn with a man" bit

Check it out, it's all there, the LOVE!

(and don't worry, i won't SCREECH just yet! haha!)

Fred,

Much better this time. Although I'm not a Christian adherent, I do admire those who stress the LOVE that Jesus is supposed to inspire in his followers. I especially like the credo, "Love the sinner, not the sin."
Enjoy your Friday. I'll be in Vermont next week for a couple weeks of vacation. You're a man of convictions just try to keep them more coherent (and stay off the CAPS LOCK key a bit!!!!!!!!!!).

CU later, mate.

But... But... I thought we were supposed to take the whole bible literally. Do I just rip the old testament out? Oh my, oh my!

Isn't it great? No one has any idea what to believe, what to take literally, what to "interpret". Christianity is an a-la-carte belief system. People pick and choose what they want to believe.

You have to wonder if God demands our loyalty, why did you make it so freakin' difficult to figure out what he means when everything that is "spoken" in the bible is contradicted at some point.

Yeah looks to me the Christians need to print just the New Testiment and skip that old Jewish book. Sure would save a lot of trees.