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He did have sex with that man

So says Preacher Haggard's church board.

And while we're on this topic -- headlines of the day:

Naked man arrested for concealed weapon

Nude couple's feud ends at Waffle House

Comments

If the earth were made of gold, I guess men would die for a handful of dirt.

Reality. It rocks.

The "Naked Man Arrested ... " link doesn't work.

Just like the Mark Foley story, the Rev Ted story is like salve for the scorched liberal political wing of the country.

I just wish that the homophobic right wing of the populus could get their heads around the fact that some people are just gay, and that there is nothing inherently wrong with that. There is something terribly wrong with being a hypocrite, though.

These two guys are human beings with urges and feelings. I have a problem with Foley's acting on his urges because he may have caused harm to a child.

I don't give a rat's ass that Haggard got a massage or much much more from the prostitute dude--they are adults and it's none of my beeswax.

What I care about is the influence peddling and political corruption and the power they both wielded through their positions.

I think it was Cato who posted a picture of Ted and dubya mugging it up for the camera. Could someone make one of those montage slideshow thingies with images of dubya posing with all these corrupt a-holes and set it to some appropriate music such as America The Beautiful?

If Turd Blossom's math numbers are vastly different from conventional wisdom math numbers come Wednesday morning, there is going to be some stinky trouble.

I am so, so tired of people in power engaging in the very acts that they publically oppose.
I prayed very hard tonight that we will get this country on the right path again.
We are not first in anything anymore, and it's time we stopped hiding under the bed and stepped up to the plate.
Vote Democratic.

"The farther up you are, the more you are a target for Satan.''

Ah, the Devil made him do it. I've heard that before....by a black comedian named Flip Wilson.

You know I never really bought into the idea that those that scream the most about homosexuals do so because they've repressed the urge to couple with the same sex all their lives.

But now....I'm not so sure that's not exactly what's going on. It very well could be a sure sign of homosexuality when you stand on a corner bashing gays 24/7. Maybe they do all the screaming to drown out the little voice in their head saying...DO IT...kiss the next guy...wear a dress....let your lisp come on out.

Another few years of married life and I might switch sides, but up to now I've gone whole weeks without once thinking about homosexuality. To top that my dear wife can go a whole month without thinking about heterosexuality, but that's another story.

Obviously we're all minding each other's business way way too much these days. As long as I get my once a month sex, I don't give a flip whose sleeping with who. As long as no one scares me, I don't care who lives in my neighborhood. If someone works a good 8 hour day, I don't care where they're from or how they got here.
Like I said before, Gunner's TV ad full of gay people has an effect on me he never intended. Rather than seeing a bunch of queers, I see a bunch of people happy in love and while it's not my exact cup of tea, I'm delighted for anyone who has found a mate and is ready to settle down and work towards a committed relationship. Any love is better and more natural than none.

I hate hypocrites.....period. Rev. Ted and his ilk sicken me far more than homo's in love...far far more. And more and more it looks like the Rev. Teds of the world are more the rule than the exception.

Another week of his gay bashing ads and I'll start thinking Gunner is a switch hitter too. Vote smarter this Tuesday!

There in nothing so dirty and repulsive as queers are. Why the hell can't you bastards understand that because all of you are lying when you say you are born like that. YOU are lying beast. You are lustful and only want to dominate someone of you own gender. A damn beast is what you are.......

I hear ya, chasv! I'm personally okay with the homos -- they don't bother me any -- but I know how it is to have an irrational fear of, or aversion to a certain group of people.

With me it's the body builders. I'm what they call a hunkaphobe. I don't know if I was born a hunkphobe or if my hunkaphobia is a product of my upbringing or environment. But there's no denying ... I hate me some body builders!

I think body builders are gross. I don't like to look at them. I don't like to be around them. They are not normal and they are not natural.

I don't think they should have the same rights as the rest of us because they are freaks. They should not be allowed to marry one another because then they'd have kids that they would raise to be body builders. They sure as hell should not be allowed to be foster parents. Our most vulnerable citizens should not be exposed to such a twisted lifestyle.

The body builder pride parades make me want to puke.

Body builders have made the conscious decision to devote too much time, ego, and money to the body builder lifestyle. They weren't born that way, and God does not want them to be that way.

I'm not sure of the chapter and verse, but I'm pretty sure there's something about body builders in Leviticus.

I don't want my young son to be around body builders because he might be influenced by their well-known recruitment methods into the body builder lifestyle.

I said hate earlier. I don't hate body builders, mind you, I just hate what they do and how they are. They are an abomination and have no place in society.

I have a cousin who is a body builder. When we were kids we were very close and spent a lot of time together. I honestly love him and want the best for him, but now that he's an adult and has taken on the body builder lifestyle, I can't stand to be around him.

He came by the house at Christmas and I told him, "I'm sorry, but you just can't be here." I hated to send him away, but I just can't have him around my kid.

So I know what you're going through. If everyone on the planet felt the way I did, there would be no more body builders!

Hugh it just goes to show you, if it's not one thing it's something else.
What happened to chasv?

~Devil's Child~

Hugh it just goes to show you, if it's not one thing it's something else.
What happened to chasv?

~Devil's Child~

To chasv and his ilk: When did you decide to be straight?

"There in [sic] nothing so dirty and repulsive as queers are."

How about "queers" that lie and gay-bash and tell others the exact same thing you're saying? Hmmm??? How about "queers" that pretend to be heterosexual so they may preach hatred like yours to others? Isn't that a little worse in your book? Hmmm?

You probably had a picture of Haggard over your mantle until this little debacle went public. Open your eyes, dude. Folks have sex with the folks they find attractive (or available). It's programmed, not chosen.

I agree with DBI - I don't care what adults are having sex with each other. I do feel sorry for DBI, though, if that once-a-month is more than just hyperbole. That kind of madness could cause a man to play for the other team. :)

I think Jesus himself would tell you, Chas, that you need some help...major help.

Jesus H. Chrispies, Chasv....

I love it when you cite the Bible as proof of your constrictions. It puts a lump in my pants just thinking about you doing it!
Well, let's not stop there, boy. Why don't we justify killing off a whole nation?!

1 Samuel 15:3

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

In one verse, your god commands genocide, infanticide, the destruction of families, homes and innocent creatures. This is who you worship? You harp about your bigotry and hatred when your God ordered the destruction of babies and children, men and women, and any living thing associated with them?

Man, that's a license to kill anything and anybody!! That must make you a Double-0 Nothing agent of the Lord. Go kill them Amalek babies, slaughter all the women, slay everyone breathing on two legs or four!
You are right to have us fear your Lord. If he orders genocide just like the Nazis, he definitely is one horrifying being.

Gee, I left off the scriptures where he orders more slaughter, slavery, the rape of virgins, and other such general nastiness. And you have the unmitigated gall to tell us your god is natural and that being gay is not!!

What a colossal joke! What a cosmic jerk!

Ha ha ha! chasv proves my point every time he posts. No doubt chasv has a constant fight going on within himself. He wants homosexual sex as badly as he rails against it. He's got closet queer dripping from every word he types. Pity him.

And we should hope that his pastor isn't a closet homosexual himself or ole chasv might be on the receiving end of a gay massage, with or without the meth. I think we'd do well to start labeling all gay bashers as closet homos, the news sorta bears it out.

chasv, come on out of that closet. We'll accept you the way you really are. Poor little feller, all these years fighting his own natural urges alone, it would make me bitter too. If you'll fess up your wife will finally understand it's not her at all, it's not that she's not pretty enough or sexy enough...your problems in bed have been caused all these years because you can't get teenage boys out of your head when you touch her arm. You think of men when you kiss her tender lips.

My god man....your news will make a new woman out of her, her guilt will be gone and guess what...so will yours. Be yourself. Let it out. Go to Sears and buy that dress you've had your eyes on the last 6 months. Ask your wife for makeup advice. Maybe you're both the same size and you can wear her clothes. Take a tip from Rev. Ted and come out of that closet!

Then come back here and we'll share in your enjoyment of living life they way it was intended for you to live. We're on your side chasv! Come out come out wherever you are!

Some of you are so ignorant I have to stoop so low to reply to your insane thoughts.. I don't particularly hate queers. I know some that died with the awful disease. My take is they don't care if they get a disease as long as their lust is fulfilled they'll die happy.
Anyone who is fleshly minded can't please God for it is hard for anyone who's not queer to please Him.. To be queer,homo, is the most fleshly minded it gets. Be better to shut this site down than for it to be a platform for you queers.

Fight it...fight those gay urges chasv....but it won't do you any good. God knows your gay and just won't let it out. Pray chasv pray!

That's what I love about you chasv. You run like a yellow belly coward away from arguments that you can't handle. Can't you handle it when scripture shows you that your old testament god has serious psychotic problems and condones the murder of innocent babies and children?

You can't handle the truth, kid. You're no better than a Islamic terrorist who uses the Koran to espouse killing infidels. It seems strange that you scream about god's true word and how you feel we should follow it and when the verse about the Amaleks is cited you just turn a blind eye to the revelation of your god's wickedness.
He orders babies and children killed!! He orders genocide!!

The only thing you can do is resort to childish name-calling using the term "queer." Your fear and hatred of such people borders on the pathological. You talk about closing this platform for free speech. I guess this is the most natural response to expect from someone who has already closed his mind.

Remember the Amaleks and their murdered infants, little children, pregnant women, very old folks, their lame and sick.......slain because your god commanded it.

Hey snake and death you both have perfect handles that fits you to a t. You are so low life I get sick thinking how both of you are gonna burn and snap, crackle and pop when you fry in hell.
You use the word of God to your own destruction. God is not human being like you; he is a spirit and he can make green trees die and dead trees green.
He said in Deut. 32 v,
39 See now that I, even, I, am he, and there in no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
40 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgement; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh: And that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revengers upon the enemy.
Snake and death you may be that enemy God is talking about there.
YOU SEE snake and death God can kill anyone but don't be ignorant, he can make the souls of men that die to live again! He can and will give new bodies to all that loves him.
O death I have no time to answer or argue with low lifes like you.
Ye must be born again!

Check out the following chasv:

Writers of Scripture were often inspired by seeking their source of creation in the profoundest depths of their being. In so doing some tapped into that source to find magnanimous love and compassion for their fellow beings. Hence we have the universal Golden Rule expounded by saints and sages of all great religions.

However, some instead tapped into the dark side of humanity wherein lurks vengeance, power-lust, jealously, and greed. All this - the good and the bad - they projected onto the Power that created them.

Those of us who adopt the dark side of Scripture to justify our own paranoia, bigotry, and hate only hasten the route to the Armageddon of man's collective evil in this shrinking world.

Those who tap into the Scriptural strain revealing love and benevolence beyond the bounds of clan, tribe, and nation are now the only hope for humankind. The all mighty power will not interject. It now seems entirely up to us.

So let us instead tap into the profounder source of benevolence beneath the humanly conceived specters of evil.


One more note:

"No evil in this city is without God's will. "(Amos 3:6) " I make peace and I create evil. I the Lord do all these things."(Is. 45:7) "Out of the most high precedes both evil and good."(Lam. 3:38) How do we reconcile a God who is supposed all good with being the enactor of evil as well?


Chasv, by being a literalist in your approach to the Bible you seek to abolish the mystery of God which is something you are told you cannot do. Worse yet, you have chosen the dark side of God as your path.

You have chosen salvation not to love but to hate and that is wickedness. God says he is both good and evil and you have chosen evil. Jesus came to overcome the evil God created and condoned.

In my book, you have sided with the god of evil. It shows in your hatred, your bigotry, your childish amusement in promoting pain and punishment for those you dislike, your ignorance of the big picture, your lack of reasoned argument, and your bogus piety.

I'm what you'd probably call a Zen Christian. It's probably far too complicated for you to understand and I don't think it would ever fit with your view on proper religious conduct.

Just ask yourself this: which, the god of evil or the god of good, would wish someone to burn in Hell? From all your statements, it seems you have chosen the god of evil.

The god of good knows who has chosen the god of evil. He knows who has forsaken the path of love, forgiveness, and compassion for his fellow human beings.

That's why one of the most important parables in the Bible is the story of the good Samaritan, someone who takes care of those who are looked down upon by the Pharisees (those self-righteous hypocrites of the church).

Chasv, even Jesus said that when you turn your back on any fellow human being, you are turning your back on him. Just like the Pharisee.....

You really need to start worrying about your own soul, not ours, because it's the one troubled and in trouble.

Hey Chasv,

Here's the Readers Digest condensed version of my message:


"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say we are the ones that need help?"--Mark Twain

"Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps."
(Proverbs 14:15)

"Test everything. Hold on to the good."
(1 Thessalonians 5:21)

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