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Bees do it; Methodists do it

But evangelicals REALLY do it. So says a  study of sexual behavior among people of different religions. It's in a book described in this Slate article. At its most serious level (I know, some of you have dirty minds), it's another illustration of the failure of abstinence-only sex education.

Evangelical teens are actually more likely to have lost their virginity than either mainline Protestants or Catholics. They tend to lose their virginity at a slightly younger age—16.3, compared with 16.7 for the other two faiths. And they are much more likely to have had three or more sexual partners by age 17: Regnerus reports that 13.7 percent of evangelicals have, compared with 8.9 percent for mainline Protestants.

How is that possible? What happened to all those happy, young Christian couples from the '90s swearing that True Love Waits? Partly, the problem lies in the definition of evangelical. Because of the explosion of megachurches, vast numbers of people who don't identify with mainstream denominations now call themselves evangelical. The demographic includes more teenagers of a lower socioeconomic class, who are more likely to have had sex at a younger age. It also includes African-American Protestant teenagers, who are vastly more likely to be sexually active.

But partly the problem lies in the temptation-rich life of an average American teenager. The fate of the True Love Waits movement, which began with the Southern Baptist Convention in the '90s, is a perfect example. Teenagers who signed the abstinence pledge belong to a subgroup of highly motivated virgins. But even they succumb. Follow-up surveys show that at best, pledges delayed premarital sex by 18 months—a success by statistical standards but a disaster for Southern Baptist pastors.

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My late father-in-law was a physician who worked several decades in four different southern states. He once told me that, in his experience in medical examination rooms, the pentecostal women who dressed the most modestly also wore the sexiest underwear.

Louie, thanks for the mental picture I can't make go away.

Hmmmm, Kind of gives you some insight into the Duggers.

When you talk about "doing it," what is it exactly that you mean?

Oh wait....so what this says is that real churchy folks are wired up different from the rest of us. They can't control themselves as well, so I guess that's why they'd need a super-size God more. It would take a God to the 3rd power for them, where the rest of us can do just fine with a regular God....or even no God at all.

So this is why they're trying to work God into everything. It's to protect THEM from THEMSELVES and US from THEM. They know they shame and without a big bad God staring down at them in the classroom, they might be under the desks FK'ing.

Same thing with business....without that gigantic mean-ass God watching their every move....they'd be cheating us even blinder than we are. Plus a heavy-duty God is better to have around for scrapes and cuts and keeping your own mitts to yourself.

Well, I'll swan! Now I understand and it makes a whole lot more sense. And it does indeed explain what's going on at the Duggars house. Bet the mailman can tell us how many Victoria's Secrets packages arrive at their blessed door.

Now I'm sorry I never dated a Fundie gal.....I might be walking with a cane today and loving it!

I guess Billy Joel was correct.

Catholic girls start much too late, point four years too late.

I had dated only Cathiolic girls all the way till about 11th grade then got dragged to a revival by a Baptist girl.

She had caught my eye because I couldn't believe those things were real. They seemed too large.

At the revival she kept saying she could feel the Holy Spirit. But lucky for me it must have been Satan because I am happy to report that I found out later that night that they were indeed real and actually bigger than I had imagined.

That Baptist revival was different than anything I had seen before in my life. For people that don't drink they sure were rambunksious. I had been to many Catholic weddings and Turkey Bingos where wine was plentiful and people sure made fools of themselves but nothing like what those Baptists did on a Wednesday night.

Maybe they had had a happy hour before the revival that I had missed.

"...Bet the mailman can tell us how many Victoria's Secrets packages arrive at their blessed door."

At this point the whole store isn't enough to make servicing that egotistical man and birthing that many children anything but a chore.

"And from the back seat she moaned softly, then screamed out against the starless night as all the fire and fury of his young manhood clamored for release." And thus it has always been and shall always be for the young, evangelical Christian or otherwise.

Now you all know that a woman with that many chillin' ain't got time to put on underwear. That's how she ended up with 17 crumb-grabbers. And the Lord may be blessing them with some more if she keeps leaving them off. (My uterus is startiing to hurt just thinking about birthing all dem babies.)

Ahh...the dirty mind and the Sunday school classmates...

When I was a teen my Sunday school class was the most reliable place to get the answers I needed...ahem!

Ski trips...beach trips...Sunday night soft drink dates...

Now I am sitting on the couch...blogging...

Well, despite BubbleBoy's abstinence fetish, even the evangelicals find a way...

If God didn't intend for teenagers to have sex, he wouldn't have made them so constantly horny.

I hate to interrupt the humor with a serious question, but, not being familiar with SLATE, or the writer, I am curious whether the author of the research has any credentials to add validity to the conclusions or instead, are these just results of a survey designed to reach the desired results to enhance the sale of his product?

We have enough expressions about "forbidden"fruit" and "the grass is always greener" to imply there IS a risk of making an off-limits activity even more attractive if you don't handle it right.

Any one know? If not, sorry for the interruption, joke on . . .

Dunno, DonKey...

Figuring that maybe you're complicating this, I'd just say teens are curious...and horny...

Seems simple to me...

I remember curious. I remember horny.....that was me 25 minutes ago.....oops....there it goes again. Someone older....please tell me when it finally blinks out....my motor keep racing but my transmission is busted and wifey took my tires off a few years back. Oops.....there it goes again.

DBI...good to see your posts are down to three sentences. The readers can scroll through them faster now.

And yet, and yet, they continue to delude themselves that their way of life is some sort of guarantee of purity and righteousness. Can you say "delusion" or "denial"? I can.

Reminds me of my old theology professor's anecdote about being accosted in an airport by some sort of evangelical who'd noticed his clerical collar and begun to question is christian orthodoxy.

"Don't you all believe in infant baptism?" the evangelical asked. "Believe in it?" responded professor. "Why man, I've SEEN it!"

Said evangelical slinked away, discomfited. I've used the same strategy myself.

I've learned more about human depravity from Baptists and other evangelicals than from "atheists" or from my own religion. But then the former practice denial as if it were religion.

Don Keyhotay asks:

"I am curious whether the author of the research has any credentials to add validity to the conclusions or instead, are these just results of a survey designed to reach the desired results to enhance the sale of his product?"

To which I reply, if you'd've read the article, or at least the first two paragraphs, you'd've seen the answer to your question:

"Forbidden Fruit: Sex & Religion in the Lives of American Teenagers by Mark Regnerus, a professor of sociology at the University of Texas at Austin. The book is a serious work of sociology based on several comprehensive surveys of young adults, coupled with in-depth interviews."

Republicans date Democratic girls. They intend to marry a Republican but they feel they are entitled to a little fun first.

DBI,
Your post at 11:28 last night reminded me of one of the opening lines in Queer As Folk a few years back.
"Straight guys think of sex every 40 seconds. Gay guys think of sex every 9 seconds."

Well, I guess the old "ism" rings true. Rumor has it that preachers' daughters are a bit wilder than most. I know a couple, and can attest to the accuracy of the statement. One of 'em, in particular, is just a big ho.

Also, I'm thinking back on church camp (I was raised Baptist). I can tell you that there were more hormones running around there than anywhere else in the world. "True Love" was waiting alright...about 5 seconds.

Janus, If'n I'm gay..it's going to be a horrible shock to my wife. Plus she'll be asking me what the last 25 years of begging and pestering was all about.

I blame the whole thing on not being breast fed in the oh so polite mid 50s.....and saving myself until marriage....what was I thinking?

What I should have added was that I tallied up the typing between your thoughts of sex and you met the heterosexual timeframe!

To which I reply, if you'd've read the article, or at least the first two paragraphs, you'd've seen the answer to your question. . . by Mark Regnerus, a professor of sociology at the University of Texas at Austin. The book is a serious work of sociology based on several comprehensive surveys of young adults, coupled with in-depth interviews."
Posted by: adamsj
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And if you had read my question . . . I was asking if the author had any credentials -

-Professor of Sociology at UT? UT has lots of professors, some are great, others are, well, not.

-"Serious work . . .several comprehensive surveys . . .in-depth interviews. Says who? A parroting book reviewer?

I'm just asking if the author has an established history of accuracy. Has he got a measurable track record like Gallup? Zogby? Pew? Barna? Other well-known pollster? Apparently not. Doesn't mean his conclusions are wrong. He might be dead-on.

Or he might be just selling a book.

Don Keyhotay says, "And if you had read my question . . . I was asking if the author had any credentials."

To which I, the artist formerly known as adamsj, reply:

Actually, you said this: "I am curious whether the author of the research has any credentials to add validity to the conclusions or instead, are these just results of a survey designed to reach the desired results to enhance the sale of his product?"

Academic books by professors aren't usually published for the sales (though no one minds getting lucky), but about the publication itself and how it enhances the writer's academic career. If anything, a best-selling book can damage rather than aid an academic seeking tenure--weird, eh?

This book is published by the Oxford University Press, one of the top-flight academic publishers, and it looks to be based on peer-reviewed research. That's good enough for me to take the book as credible on its face, though I would be open to +informed+ criticism of the book and the research.

If you still want to judge the author for yourself, you can find his resume (or curriculum vitae in academese) at http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/sociology/faculty/profiles/regnerus/mark/

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