Snuffed out
A proposal to ban smokeless tobacco in the House chamber and committee rooms at the Capitol was withdrawn yesterday after opposition developed. But Rep. Pam Adcock said she'd be back with something in 2009.
Let me say this about that. Dipping and chewing are nasty habits. They are fraught with health risks for users. But, apart from aesthetics, they do little harm to others, as smoke does. There's a good argument that if food is banned for decorum reasons, snuff ought to go too. But I think the legislature would do better work for the public by finishing the job on smoking first. I say this after a night in the miasma of Mallard's, a smoking enclave in the Peabody that somehow has managed to evade the state's anti-smoking law.







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Adcock is hard working and sincere. She is also good at coming up with random items that don't get anywhere but oddly draw media attention and take up committee time. Remember the Pink Car Tags for DWI Offenders? She reminds me of the Bop a Mole Game at Chuckee Cheese... Just about the time she's stopped popping up one place...there she is at another...some other issue...some other bee-bop concept.
Posted by: ItsWorseThanYouThink
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August 30, 2007 06:58 AM
I grew up with a father who chewed. He started when he was 8 years old and chewed until he died at the age of 88 (I knew it would get him someday). Both grandmothers dipped Garrett snuff. Our drinking glasses were Garrett glasses the snuff came in.
It's a nasty, nasty habit. Spilled spit cans in the floor were common, driving down the highway with windows rolled down was a journey fraught with peril if you sat in the back seat. I will say Dad preached to me about not acquiring the habit as he would cut off a slice from this Day's Work plug. I was impressed enough to never chew, dip or smoke.
My son uses the stuff. He was impressed as a youngster because his coaches would have a wad in their mouth. The influence is there. Their example overrode my admonishments to him.
Posted by: Cato
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August 30, 2007 08:28 AM
I always heard that kissing a smoker was like licking an ashtray - I never dated a girl that smoked (they were one of "those" types), and never smoked myself, (although my parents are reformed chain-smokers).
Maybe a more effective deterrent would be having some public service spots on TV with some bodacious babe describing what a downer it is to kiss a mouth full of murky chewjuice remnants.
Posted by: Don Keyhotay
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August 30, 2007 08:51 AM
The Ledge whooped thru their anti-tobacco bills last summer... and most state agencies now have gone to a "tobacco-free" policy on their campuses. Time for the State Capitol and the Ledge to walk the walk.
They already "talk the talk" enough to be a major contributor to global warming...
Posted by: Up The Road
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August 30, 2007 09:52 AM
Smoking has been shown to affect the health of those nearby. It should be restricted just as silt runoff from one property to another. An eyesore is another issue completely and we all should be free to be as gross and lowclass as we wish.
Chew may be offensive but does not have health consequences for those nearby, it does not need to be legislated against. The only health effects for those nearby is the urge to hurl.
Feel free to eat truly gross, unhealthy food without restriction from government. Eat, drink and be merry, but gov't should regulate and restrict harmful food additives and processes. This means that transfats should never have been allowed. Hydrogenating oil has been shown to make it dangerous. Hydrogenated vegtable oil would never have been allowed if the health effects had been understood.
In my oppinion, this legislator is a clueless bimbo. The reason for restricting smoking was to protect the health of those nearby not because some did not want others to be able to smoke.
Once no longer a minor, citizens should have the right to make their own choices.
If you are so poor in math skills that a lottery seems like a good bet, go for it. With your financial deficiencies society is better off keeping money out of your hands anyway.
If you enjoy buying lottery tickets feel free to knock yourself out. That is freedom.
Drink till you puke then drink some more if you like but if you put others at risk by driving or start doing pistol quick-draw demonstartions. Arrest and imprison your idiot self to protect others.
Set rules and leave adults alone to be as intelligent or as ignorant as they want.
I think society would be better off by banning these rediculous exercise gimmicks. ThyMaster, Abdominizer, etc. but free people should be free to buy them by the case. That is probably one of the largest wastes of plastic, metal and money in our world today.
This bimbo legislator is clueless that the reason for banning smoking was because it was a health threat to others, her idiot self thought smoking was banned simply because it was annoying.
The voters in her district are the true culprits. If they understood constitutional freedom, they would have bounced her before she could get re-elected and continue to embarrass them.
Bimbos with good intentions are still bimbos and we need to keep them away from legislating for the protection of others.
Notice the theme of my post? Allow adults to be as idiotic as they wish but only curb them for the safety of others.
Posted by: Citizen home
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August 30, 2007 10:43 AM
Choice! Choices, ladies and germs are what makes life sweet. The more choices you have each day, the bigger you smile as you drift off to sleep each night. Bill Gates and the Walton family have more choices than you or I because they're filthy rich. Notice how old rich people seem to live forever? It's cause they're happier than we are because they gots choices all the live long day.
It's real simple. Some folks like to go to church, some folks don't. Some folks like to turn up the bottle and drain it and some folks don't. Before we hung all the unsolvable problems of the world on smoking, it used to be that some folks smoked and some folks didn't. Though the 2 groups never got along, only recently has one side been labeled good and the other bad. The same could be said about chewer/spitters.
My first brush with snuff was when some gypsies moved in next door to us at the trailer park back in 1961. There was a bunch of them and they liked to sit around outside each night in the cool air talking and singing and drinking and spitting. One of them gave me a dip of snuff and I remember the first few seconds were very interesting and then my dinner came up involuntarily and kept coming up for the rest of the night. Funny....they never invited me back, but my boxer killing their chihuahua probably had more to do with it than my puking.
Next time was about 1966 and I was riding on the back bumper of Dallas Jeffcoat's father's jeep. As we bounced along on the poor side of town, Dallas offered me a chew off a plug of Day's Work. Lordy...it was like candy for the first few minutes......so sweet! But as I kept chewing and that jeep kept bouncing....I started to turn green as a gourd. I got dizzy and slipped off the bumper by the time we got back to Brockman Avenue. I was home for 2 days afterwards sick as a dog. So I am no fan of chewing and spitting. No fan!
I think it's nasty and disgusting....but I also think it's just another choice. I choose NOT, but cousin Billy Bob has every right to choose YES. Get after it Billy Bob. I also choose not to get on my knees and drink wine out of the same cup with 149 other people while some dude tells me it's the blood of Christ....yikes! How germ-y can you get? And as much as I love my wife and children.....I choose not to drink their blood.
I don't give a damn if chewing/spitting is outlawed at the Capitol....get after it. I just wanted to remind myself and the world that choices are what separates you and me from Charles Manson. Having choices is the only reason to get out of bed each morning. And as long as you have the choice to smoke or not smoke, chew or not chew, don't get your panties in a wad. I also think that during the shit-storm days of Cheney-Bush with Arkansas continually bring up the rear in 49th, with our jobs flying out of the country and people dying in misery without proper health care...Ms Adcock should be spending her time worrying about lots bigger things than dipping and chewing. What next? Pink plates for tobacco users? I do believe I'll live to see the day.
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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August 30, 2007 10:47 AM
Maybe all legislators should be tested for tuberculosis before they are allowed to spit.
Posted by: Polecat
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August 30, 2007 01:07 PM
You know, I'm pretty sure that rules about spitting have been evidence based at preventing disease for a century or so. It boggles the mind that a Chair of Public Health would think that concerns about bodily fluids cast about was an intrusion into somebody's privacy.
The issue concerning what addictions we allow in public places has little to do with privacy as long as we behave as addicts in public. And we haven't even began to broach the obscenity of allowing the tobacco industry to market tobacco that has been adulterated to a bizarre addictive level. A Dr. Connelly recently spoke at a tobacco free gig in NLR on the Harvard study that showed the tobacco industry has been increasing nicotine in cigarettes for the last decade. His point, however, was to note the increasing amount of propylene glycol, the menthol and flavoring in new colorful flavored tobacco. The flavoring makes it easier for the body to absorb nicotine, and become an addict. The nicotine level in spit tobacco is 6 to 10 times a cigarette anyway. Check out all the pretty colors of spit tobacco next time you're in the store. Check out if they're not eye level to a child either.
Posted by: Zarathustra
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August 30, 2007 03:15 PM
Why not get some real media attention to the situation. Open every Monday with a spitting contest. See who can pachuuu the longest distance and which one can hit the smallest target. All done inside the chambers of course.
Posted by: Lwood
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August 30, 2007 03:21 PM
increasing amount of propylene glycol"
In case anyone is not aware p.g. is a key ingredient in anti-freeze.
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Posted by: Lwood
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August 30, 2007 03:24 PM
And not merely distance either! Viscosity too. All this talk of spit brings fond memories on the track bus w luge races down the back window. The last one on the floor won. We had a shot putter that started smoking when he was about 8 you just didn't bet against.
Posted by: Zarathustra
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August 30, 2007 03:27 PM
While we're on nasty stuff and this thread is dead enough not to mind a diversion click on blue name for the grossest of gross from a wingnut.
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Posted by: Lwood
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August 30, 2007 04:45 PM
What is with so many proposals of totally unnecessary laws? The police are apparently unable to adequately enforce the laws we already have, or else they're just too chicken to get out on the road with the rest of us, so if you are offended by someone chewing or dipping (and it is plenty offensive, so don't accuse me of doing it, Lwood), just move out of range. And while it is plenty nauseating to see where one of these doofuses (doofi?) spit, at least they don't start fires like these idiots who feel it is one of their inalienable rights to toss that lit cigarette wherever they like.
And how about we don't legislate taste in clothing? They're showing their underwear. Is it stupid looking? Yes. And it makes me plenty nervous that I'm about to see more than I want to; but that's what each younger generation does -- wears clothes that offend the old folks. They'll be wearing something else pretty soon that we'll probably find even more offensive, but unless their ass is actually hanging out, like Britney Spears's, why don't you just look away and not involve law enforcement. And I believe there is already a law about indecent exposure that should cover Britney's ass, so to speak.
Posted by: Vegan4Hillary
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August 30, 2007 09:44 PM
2 words, Vegan. Police State. Maybe clones are easier to control than free thinkers following the beat of their own drums. Cheney and Rove sucking our rights out like liposuction on a fat boy and others perhaps only misguided busybodies following right along spitting out law after law that grinds our lives into fine powder. Someone get a tape measure and find out how much free is left in Freedom.
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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August 30, 2007 11:14 PM
I second DBI and apparently Christopher Hitchens does too. He was on a talkin heads the other night and casually remarked the U.S. is a police state. I think this long right turn our nation has taken is about over. WE are also the most armed nation on earth. For every 10 people there are 9 guns.
Vegan you can go pantyless anytime you wish and I wont say a word, but I may gawk a wee bit, if that's allowed.
Posted by: Lwood
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August 31, 2007 03:19 AM