On to Super Tuesday
Have at the Florida vote.
Republicans: McCain finishes ahead of Romney. Then Giuliani and Huckabee was a distant fourth, with about 13 percent. McCain supporters in Arkansas hope the fear of throwaway votes will drive enough votes into his camp in Arkansas to hold Huckabee under 50 percent in our primary. What do you tihnk?
But the national pundits also think Huckabee staying in is good for McCain nationally, because he's presumed to take votes from Romney. Thus, in an ultimate McCain nomination, might Huck be vice presidential nominee?
Democrats: Hillary, 50; Barack, 33; John, 15.
Yes, yes. It's meaningless on the Democratic side. Certainly as far as delegates are concerned. And those ballots cast today by 2 million or so Democrats? Meaningless, too, according to the same TV talking heads who said in August that a few thousand purchased straw poll votes at an Iowa Republican Party fund-raiser were HUGELY significant. Seriously, you can't discount that vote. It has meaning, if not delegates.
CLOSER TO HOME: On the enthusiasm front, a Democrat in Benton County, yellow-dog Republican land, reports the following vote totals on the first day of early voting in the presidential primary:
Downtown Rogers: Dems, 167; Repubs, 133,
Benton County Courthouse: Dems, 232; Repubs, 229.







Comments
for those of us who have longed for the coalitions of both major parties to fracture, this January has been a gift from the gods. it is even conceivable that the rest of the year will be also.
i was only 5 y/o in 1968 and i missed it, but the gods have seen fit, after 34 years of Clinton-watching, to give me it's replica (with the roles reversed)
all that remains now is who will be the 'Wallace' of 2008 ?
Posted by: muleboy303
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January 29, 2008 07:59 PM
If McCain wins in Florida, Huckabee remains a viable candidate for at least a few more days. If Romney wins there, it's over for Huckabee.
Posted by: Arkansas Blogger
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January 29, 2008 08:05 PM
IN FLORIDA: HUCKABEE BEATS RON PAUL
Posted by: eLwood
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January 29, 2008 08:11 PM
I think i HATE John McCain.
No, i KNOW that.
Posted by: BlackBerry
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January 29, 2008 08:14 PM
Jan 29, 6:54 PM EST
Huckabee fundraiser held at Texas ministry headquarters
LITTLE ROCK (AP) -- A Christian nonprofit said a Texas evangelist targeted by a Senate investigation turned a national ministers' gathering last week into a fundraising opportunity for Mike Huckabee's presidential campaign.
The Trinity Foundation, a charity that monitors televangelists and viewed a live Internet broadcast of the event, said the fundraiser took in $111,000 and generated pledges nearing $1 million.
The fundraiser, which was first reported Tuesday by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in a copyright story, was held at Kenneth Copeland Ministries' campus in Newark, Texas.
"If his action isn't illegal under the IRS code, it certainly strains all sense of ethics," Ole Anthony, the foundation's president, said. The group cited IRS code prohibiting church leaders from making partisan comments in official organization publications or at official church functions..........
Posted by: eLwood
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January 29, 2008 08:43 PM
McCain / Huckabee 2008
I thought the Democrats had all agreed to stay away from Florida ? I don't really understand Hillary claiming victory? What am I missing?
Rudy is done. Romney is not far behind. Leiberman says he doesn't want VP. Vice President Huckabee is a real possibility.
McCain will be hard to beat in a general election. I hope Edwards stays in until the convention.
Posted by: StrangeTimes
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January 29, 2008 08:53 PM
The good thing is one more corrupt Republican bastard is gone. So long Rudy, may they Taz you bro! Old 13% Huckabee is delighted to pull in $111,000, legally or illegally, we know he doesn't care which. Janet can buy some nice things for the home in NLR. Sonny can buy a new gun. Huck will be in thru November, thru 2009, 2010---------2032! He's the new Harold Stassen and he'll be coming to a church near you...get the Love Offerings ready!
I was just listening to Mormon Mitt glorifying his 2nd place finish. To listen to him DC's been a ghost town all these years. Washington is broken M-Mitt says. Ain't nothing right and it's causing our children to turn gay and have kids without getting married. Who in the hell does he think has been in power all these years? If Washington is broken, which we know is a nice way of putting FK'ed to the max and let's go ahead and admit America is broken for sure....it's the Republican Party who spawned George W. Bush, who broke it. Just wait until another Republican gets up there! M-Mitt will make things so good for us our warts will disappear! What total bullshit!
And since you asked, the Democratic Party is punishing Florida for being the worst FK'ing state in the Union and for giving us that walking, talking, partial-birth abortion George W. Bush. Fie on your Katherine Harris corruption! Poopy on your Jeb Bush crime family! But thanks for all the would-be votes for Hillary that will turn into will-be votes this November, though giving her the win probably proves how racist Florida is...and I'm sure we'll hear that non-stop from the Talking Heads who'll be saying Voting White Ain't Right!
It's just too bad that Mark Pryor can't be with his people in Florida tonight. He could be standing next to John McCain or Mormon Mitt if he'd just come out of the political closet and proudly say what we already know...I AM A REPUBLICAN! Oh well....Rudy is out and that makes this a great day. Remember to say in your prayers....Clinton/Obama '08!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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January 29, 2008 09:26 PM
Think there might be a little crossover voting in NW Ark?
Posted by: ThermosDay
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January 29, 2008 09:35 PM
I"m posting here for the Man from L.A., with thoughts on Huckabee's showing in Florida:
For years, Huckabee lobbied for the end to the economic embargo on Cuba.
This would open the Cuban market to the agricultural products of Arkansas and allow business investment in the "Pear of the Antilles," as the island was once called. Ending the embargo makes economic, diplomatic, and national security sense.
However, Huckabee did a 180 in a recent discussion with Cuban-American leaders in South Florida and vowed to veto any bill weakening of the embargo.
How did he explain this dramatic reversal? He (and a Cuban-American who endorsed him) said that his earlier "narrow" vision as a state governor has been broadened as the result of his presidential campaign; he has learned more about "foreign policy."
At the risk of sounding cynical, it seems to me that Huckabee's definition of "sound foreign policy" is "what plays well in South Florida."
This may prove costly -- for a reason other than the fact that it is crass and grossly hypocritical- -- In future primaries in the Midwest, South, and Southwest. How does the former Governor defend the flip-flop to rural farming and manufacturing interests? Will he he be as forceful in promising to veto any bill that broadens their markets?
In retrospect, Huckabee never had a reaistic chance to win in Florida; his pandering to the Cuban-American vote was like double-downing on a 15 at the blackjack table: not a smart bet.
So, at the risk of being cynical squared (was that what they called it in intermediate
algebra?) what does Huckabee do?
He stays in the race as long as Chuck Norris and Kenneth Copeland pay the rent and buy the
groceries.. (Which is not a new life experience for the Huckabees.)
Regarding the Hispanic vote -- Huckabee will have to adopt (apologies to Senator Larry Craig) a "wide stance" posture to accommodate two inconsistent and irrational policies-: A "build a wall policy" for Mexico, and a "any dry foot from Cuba is O.K." policy.
(It's now 8:06 P.M. and I just listened to former Governor Huckabee's promise to plod on to California.) Stay tuned
Posted by: maxb
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January 29, 2008 09:51 PM
Well, Hillary has convinced me. She is clearly able to win landslide victories in states where no one is campaigning against her. Now, if she can just convince McCain not to campaign against her this year, it will be a Clinton blowout this November!
Posted by: Prouster
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January 29, 2008 10:04 PM
I'm not sure how you can conclude that the result of the Democratic primary has meaning. It's entirely possible that the less than 2 million voters were not a good representation of the Democrats who would have voted had the delegates counted. For instance, if Clinton supporters were more apt to vote because they felt that her campaign could use a shot in the arm, that would skew the results. That may or may not have been the case, but either way, I don't think you can draw any meaningful conclusions from this particular race.
Posted by: ARHawk
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January 29, 2008 10:25 PM
Good try guys. Your guy comes in 4th with Jesus riding in his front pocket, but let some woman get 900,000 votes, nearly 300,000 more votes than top running McCain an it doesn't mean doodly-squat. I guess all the would-be Huckabee voters stayed home tonight because they mistakenly didn't think Huck's campaign could use a shot in the arm. Stupid is as stupid does one would suppose.
Clinton/Obama '08!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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January 29, 2008 10:44 PM
Prouster, write this down. Got your pen?
Hillary Clinton can beat John McCain, unless the GOP steals another election.
Posted by: BlueRidge
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January 29, 2008 10:47 PM
in the last 72 hours, HRC has gone from being pasted by BHO in South Carolina (295k votes to 141k) as every msm outlet trumpeted the new Camelot and re-discovered Bill's propensity to fudge (when yer opponent picks up a hammer to hit you with, pick up an axe and cut his arms off) to tonights win in Florida (870k votes to BHO's 570k) all while California (where HRC's poll lead ranges from 10 to 20 points) has been voting for over a week, is now positioned in front of supertuesday with an overwhelming victory.
can't draw any meaningful conclusions from that?
look at the hispanic vote numbers from FLA... hrc won 'em 2-1
Richardson is back on track for the VP slot as the Obama supporters get ready to go back to the back of the bus. the DEMS are not going to take a chance on blowing the easiest Presidential victory since 1932, especially against a GOP nominee whose peer group is halfway into the rest homes, by nominating an empty suit who can talk nice, but who happens to be black, with the middle name 'Hussein'.
Posted by: muleboy303
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January 29, 2008 10:47 PM
Hold on there, DBI. I'm a Democrat from way back. I'm not sure where you got that I was somehow trying to prop up Huckabee. The Republican vote did matter, so I assume that Floridians quite sensibly came to the conclusion that Huckabee was a poor choice. I'm simply saying that statistically, you can't draw any meaningful results from the Democratic race because the fact that it was widely known to be a meaningless exercise. It's incorrect to assume that the relatively small number that did vote was representative of all Democratic voters (certainly a large enough sample if it were a random sample, but due to the possible selection bias I mentioned in my earlier post it is not random). It's entirely possible that Hillary would have won anyway, but I don't think you can say one way or another based on tonight's results.
I made a perfectly reasoned, statistically valid point. I generally enjoy your posts, so if you can tell me how this is stupid, I'd sure like to see it. Otherwise, an apology would be appreciated. Especially since you said Huckabee was "my guy." That's almost unforgiveable.
Posted by: ARHawk
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January 29, 2008 11:11 PM
I do apologize, ARHawk for misunderstanding what you were saying and more or less calling you a Huck supporting Republican. You were standing over there by Prouster and that caused the confusion. I'll be more careful in the future.
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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January 29, 2008 11:37 PM
Thanks, DBI. Apology gladly accepted. Nothing will get me worked up faster than saying I'm a Huckabee supporter. Keep up the entertaining posts, they're always fun to read.
That said, I'm not sure voting for Hillary this time because Obama would be in better shape to run in 8 years is a good idea. I think we're currently in sorry enough shape that we need the best person we can get as soon as possible. If one thinks that person is Hillary, he or she should vote Hillary. If one thinks that person is Obama, he or she should vote Obama. There's no telling what the geopolitical landscape will look like 8 years from now and trying to think that far ahead might backfire.
Posted by: ARHawk
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January 30, 2008 12:02 AM
In South Carolina Hillary actually won some delegates yet she was in such a hurry to get out of there (other more pressing engagements ya see), time wouldn't even allow her to personally thank a gathering of Carolinians who worked and voted for her to score those delegates.
Yet she found plenty of time to show-boat in Florida at a sham 'victory celebration' to say that although she was prohibited from asking Floridians for their votes, she was now there to thank them for their votes.
It was a sham for two reasons. She must've known that the extreme early voting rules in Florida garnered her votes before the results of any preceeding contest were even known. Early voting and absentee was extremely heavy. It was here that she did very well. The results from the voters on election day however, if counted separately, likely would've given Obama a win.
Secondly, if I knew last night that the Florida Democratic Party was going to hold caucuses and submit the delegate results to the national party for certification, don't you think that she knew that? It was a sham celebration to ease the shame of Carolina before Super Tuesday. And she thinks I'm too damn dumb to see that.
Now, let's wait for the real results from Florida, where the best she can hope for is a rough parity in delegate count. Since I think her tide is running out in Florida and across the nation, she may not even get that.
Posted by: Gaylord
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January 30, 2008 09:20 AM
That's a hell of a spin there Gaylord! Was yo mama a Maytag?
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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January 30, 2008 09:42 AM
I'll ignore the personal remark to repeat;
Hillary did not even thank her people in S.C.
She made a sham appearance in Florida.
She knows the real Florida test is ahead.
Her tide is running out, all that remains is will it leave her grounded.
Posted by: Gaylord
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January 30, 2008 10:01 AM
"Prouster, write this down. Got your pen?
Hillary Clinton can beat John McCain, unless the GOP steals another election."
Keep dreaming. Obama is our only chance to take the White House. Hillary can't win in the general election, no matter how bad you and Max Brantley want it to be so. A year from now, you and your fellow Hillary enablers will be wringing your hands, wondering how we ended up with President McCain. I'll be here to remind you that it's your fault.
Posted by: FreedomCounty
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January 30, 2008 10:14 AM
OBAMA's function was, is, and will continue to be:
a. to suck up the money, media, emotion etc. to prevent Gore from entering the race
b. to provide HRC with a foil/strawman to defeat in a "hard-fought contest" so that she
will be perceived as having been "forged in the fire" (while also solidifying her "centrist" credentials re: foreign policy, hollywood, kennedys etc.)
c. to "prevent" HRC from 'steamrolling/coronation walk' to the nomination early, thus limiting the amount of time, by several months, for "buyer's remorse" to kick in, in the form of a 3rd party run by Gore.
all of course, C.L.O.P.T. : )
(Choreographed Like an Oswald Prison Transfer)
didya think that headlines/pictures of Kenya, Kennedy, and Rezko in monday's msm were just a 'coincidence' ?
Posted by: muleboy303
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January 30, 2008 10:16 AM
Also, Hillary and Max declaring Florida as a huge victory for her is silly. The caucus I just held in my living room accounts for as many delegates as Florida's did. Not to mention, what would you expect when Hillary was the one candidate to break the pledge to campaign in Florida. When you have Hillary herself spending time in the state, frantically campaigning in the fake primary, and Barrack sticking to his pledge, what outcome would you expect.
Posted by: FreedomCounty
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January 30, 2008 10:31 AM
Muleboy,
I generally like your posts, but I think you have your tin foil hat on a little too tight this morning. Are you suggesting a vast left wing conspiracy to install Hilldebeast as President?
Posted by: devilsadvocate
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January 30, 2008 11:25 AM
thanks DA, i switched to saran wrap a few years ago... it still lets the signals in but it doesn't shock the hell out of me everytime i flip the light switch : )
Posted by: muleboy303
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January 30, 2008 11:35 AM
Great tip, muleboy, but does the saran wrap keep aliens like Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Ralph Nader from reading my thoughts as well as the tin foil?
Posted by: devilsadvocate
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January 30, 2008 11:49 AM
here ya go da, from september 2006 ...
"Hence, no Giuliani or Pataki, nor even some New York version of Tommy Robinson, empowered with millions of RNC dollars and truckloads of 'opposition research', has been recruited to oppose Hillary.
That is for a reason. And it is not because Karl Rove wasn't capable, or because of Rudy's personal political aspirations, Hillary's "centrist" record as a U.S. Senator, or the GOP "keeping their powder dry". Hillary's election as President of the United States in November of 2008 has been "programmed" for years. "Groomed for the slot" is the old military term. (pardon the pun) And no amount of "unforeseen" events is going to stop it from becoming reality, not even Bill's demise (which may well also be a part of the 'program'). I thoroughly expect that Bill Richardson will become Vice-President for the same reasons."
2min read, the rest at name/link
Posted by: muleboy303
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January 30, 2008 12:08 PM