The first man
Joe Conason brings a balanced outlook to Bill Clinton's campaigning in recent days and his impact on Hillary.
By comparing Mr. Obama’s huge win to earlier victories by Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, he was making a factual point that could hardly be denied. Both Mr. Obama and Mr. Jackson are black men who benefited from the dominance of African-American voters in that state’s Democratic primary.
In some circumstances, Mr. Clinton’s statement would have been heard as harmless. After all, The Nation magazine dubbed South Carolina “the black primary” on its cover not long ago, and no one took offense. In the sensitive atmosphere of this primary season, however, when every utterance from either Clinton will be twisted and turned so easily, he should have realized that any such comparison would be heard as a “dog whistle” inviting white backlash.
Cynics have joked that Mr. Clinton was seeking to harm rather than help his wife’s campaign, while others have warned against his will to power (and the constitutional issues that might raise in a second Clinton administration). More likely he believes that his wife is the best candidate—and that he is deeply irritated by the press bias against her and for her current adversary. But if she doesn’t control him, then he will undo her, no matter what he intends.







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"By comparing Mr. Obama's huge win to earlier victories by Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, he was making a factual point that could hardly be denied."
Huh? Jackson won or did well in overwhelmingly white states like Obama? Hmmm...I must've missed that.
Posted by: Gaylord
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January 30, 2008 08:43 AM
The one "factual" point that was omitted was the fact the 1984 and 1988 wins by Jesse were caucuses. Obama won on a secret ballot.
Posted by: Arkansas Red
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January 30, 2008 09:06 AM
Joe Conason is hardly a reliable Bill & Hillary defender, but occasionally he gets it right. I rather doubt Bill Clinton is speaking sharply to make up for the Monica thing, most of you are married, do you really think it works that way? Gaylord is missing the point that Conason is speaking specifically about the South Carolina primary where historically black candidates do better than in other states.(check the Florida score from yesterday) Pointing that out is factual, not racist. Like Huckabee making excuses for his tiny 13% in Florida last night, it's natural to look for good reasons to explain why you lost and someone else won....in any contest.
I am not against Barack Obama, I am against lies and smears. The Snub is taking its place along side the Howard Dean Scream, Gore saying he invented the Internet, and Hillary Cried. If Obama purposely turned away from Hillary at the SOTU silliness the other night, I'd be inclined to chalk it up to embarrassment rather than dislike. Maybe I'm being fooled, but I don't see a mean person when I look at Barack Obama. And it probably takes more years of political experience to be able to stab a friend in the back while shaking their hands. Teddy ditched that embarrassment decades ago, Hillary too.
If I should ever meet those I oppose on this blog in the Cheney Gulag in the future, they'll find my bark is far worse than my bite. Mama taught me good manners as obviously Mrs. Obama taught Barack. But by offering her hand to Teddy, Hillary shows Mrs. Rodham taught her good manners too. If only George W. Bush had had a good mother, things might be different now. Raise-ns count!
We're going to have to be smarter if we hope to survive the neo-con takeover that's been underway for 9 years. We don't get news any more, we get opinion, agenda, and a lot of non-news noise because the media has to fill up 24 hours each day and their lust for profits drives them to say something more controversial than the next guy to lure you in. They invented "Hillary Cried" and "The Obama Snub" and "The Clintons are Racist" and most of us fall for it. Bill Clinton, former King of the USA, currently King of the World wants Hillary to win, do you blame him? Presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin said last night that Bill Clinton reminds her most of Teddy Roosevelt who also by nature wanted to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral, so no wonder Bill is always quick with an opinion. So sue him!
Why are we, those so quick to flip the bird when cut off in traffic, offended when Bill Clinton plays hardball politics? If you perceived someone was spreading lies about you or your wife at work, lies that could cost her or you your job, how would you react? This is for the top job in the universe! It is deadly serious bidness! I remember several of my friends telling me in 2000 that they were just sick of the Clintons so they were gonna vote for that Bush guy. How'd that turn out? 3941 dead US soldiers would say very very poorly, if they could speak from the grave.
With President Obama we can probably count on 8 good years ahead. With President Hillary and VP Obama we can probably count on 16 good years ahead. Why not have it all and keep the damn Republicans out of the White House for as long as we can? If you're doing nothing, click on my name and read a little about another guy who defended his girl. Clinton/Obama '08!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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January 30, 2008 09:28 AM
The reporter's question to Bill was about the tag-team against Obama, what about that charge that is two on one, Bill? That was the heart of the question. He replied that Jackson had won twice in S.C., that was the heart of his answer. What did that have to do with the question? Nothing and he knew it but it did try to dismiss the thumping Hillary was taking as he spoke. That she lost because black candidates always win S.C. don't ya know? It didn't work with me but it did work on my nerves.
Posted by: Gaylord
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January 30, 2008 09:45 AM
Nice try, Max. It was still an thinly veiled suggestion that Obama only won because of race. Will you and your fellow Billary supporters stop at nothing to see Hillary get the nomination and the inevitable November defeat that comes with it? I think it's telling that the only two people Max defends anymore are Hillary Clinton and that mass murdered from West Memphis.
Posted by: FreedomCounty
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January 30, 2008 10:20 AM
Also, here's further evidence that the Clinton campaign is doing everything it can to win this race by playing on racial stereotypes and fears. It's a shame that the Clinton campaign's claims that Latinos just won't vote for African Americans is a total lie. Like I said before, will she literally say ANYTHING it takes to win? Ten bucks says that Hillary will "accidentally" refer to him as Barrack as "Osama" at the next debates. Any takers?
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-rodriguez28jan28,0,1688217.column
Posted by: FreedomCounty
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January 30, 2008 10:26 AM
I may end up voting for Obama in the primary, my feet aren't stuck in concrete. If he is the nominee, I'll sure enough vote for Obama proud and loud. But if I was black I know Obama would be my first choice, from the moment he announced. If I was a woman, I'm sure I'd be more inclined to vote Hillary than I already am. This is not surprising or wrong, we tend to like those most like ourselves...big deal!
So I'm sure the black people of South Carolina turned out in droves to vote for Obama and good on them. If we have a state with an unusually high population of women vs men, Hillary is sure to win big. This ain't rocket science. It just amazes me the need to always believe the worst of the Clintons. Will it now be a racist Clinton thing that Obama only got 30% of the Florida vote yesterday? Is it any surprise that in mostly white, mostly old, Florida that Ron Paul finished last? At 72, you'd think the old folks would love Ron Paul, but his ideas scared them.
I like Obama and I'm not hoping he screws up big tomorrow. I don't want Obama haters to make up crap about him either. I'll be as outraged as I am about Clinton myths. It's important the next 9 months to pick and choose your news sources, figure out who gives you facts and who wanks your crank with Paris Hilton type political coverage. I don't think we've seen the Republicans start the dirty tricks yet. Those already believing the lies about Bill Clinton or Barack Obama will explode when the Karl Rove tricks start up.
It's a waste of time to worry about Hillary crying or Obama snubbing.....and it only opens the door wider for the evil Republicans. It's perfectly fine to not like Hillary because you don't agree with her views, but to swallow the he said, she said crap is juvenile. Be smarter! Clinton/Obama '08!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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January 30, 2008 11:31 AM