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Here we go again...... I found and accepted a loving Jesus and you must share that love with me or I'll kill your MF atheist ass!

If only one day all similar demented (closed) minds would voluntarily close their offensive mouths would be a glorious day for sure.

In contrast shouldn't someone (hell someone like me) start a counter thrust...

WARNING TO BE POSTED IN ALL GOVERNMENT BUILDING!

Wrapping the Bible in the Flag

Just May

cause Injury or Death to Democracy!

It's always been my understanding that our constitution was written in such a way to insure that Americans no longer had to kowtow to the puritanical English oppressive style religious dogma.

Most liberal Christians I know follow God but most conservative Christians I know try to play God. So I ask myself frequently -- who would Jesus follow?

Pardon the pun, BWC, but AMEN!

Say, didn't an Arkansas congressman have something to do with the bill that put IGWT on coins or currency?

"Here we go again...... I found and accepted a loving Jesus and you must share that love with me or I'll kill your MF atheist ass!..."--BWC

Oh lordy...thanks, BWC, I'm still laughing at your oh-so accurate assessment of Biblical love as practiced by many of today's so-called Christians. The venom and all the pretty love words seem such an incongruous pair. Just look how much we're lovin' those heathen Iraqis...

I'm so tired of the constant use of anything God to put the worst people in office and enact the worst policies. You show me a politician who's advocating that the The Ten Commandments be plastered across some public building, and I'll show you a sleazy, greasy crook...Tom DeLay/Bill Frist/Huck being the perfect examples. In fact, President Shit for Brains excused every ungodly thing he did in the name of doing his God's work. But given the long history of all this god crap, I guess there's not much hope we'll ever be able to say that we've managed to completely separate public policy from someone's version of theology. On and on it goes...

I watched author Susan Jacoby with Bill Moyers last night...wow, I was mesmerized by the chattering brilliance that flowed! She spoke eloquently/entertainingly about how our collective educational ignorance has led us to today. That Bush is not the problem...that the environment of ignorance that allowed his ascendancy is the problem. That 'most' people aren't aware that the Constitution specifically mandates that Congress ratify treaties...thus they don't know how un-Constitutional Monkeyboy's attempts to permanently tie us to Iraq are. That most people don't know there are nine Supreme Court members...thus they don't understand the true impact of the next President's leanings (more Roberts/Scalia/Alito's will bury us). I've got to have her recent book.

To quote Sinclair Lewis...

"When Fascism comes to America it will be carrying a Cross wrapped in the Flag".

Simply amazing that so many would still to this day, in spite of all the advances that we have made as a Society, allow this boil to continue to fester - it should be lanced and drained of the infection in order to promote a healthy body politic.

Our national motto was established by our Founding Fathers "E Pluribus Unum" and stayed as such until the McCarthy Era (July 1956) when Congress changed it to "In God We Trust.'

Two years earlier, in June 1954, Congress inserted "Under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance.
The next year, July 1955, Congress decreed "In God We Trust" was to be mandatory on all US currency. Mathew Rothert of Camden, Arkansas, contacted Senator Fulbright to encourage such and Fulbright introduced the bill in the Senate and Congressmen Bennett of Florida and Harris of Arkansas introduced the bill in the House of Representatives.

The rest is history. We are slowly but surely changing our history, our heritage as we rush head on in the pursuit of a state religion.

The blame for this alleged resurgence of the effort to restore public references to "God" in public places must be borne in part by both the religious extremists and also by the broad-brush anti-religious zealots (some examples will be found in this thread, I'm sure). Our founding fathers indisputably made religious references in our originating documents.

The Declaration of Independence refers to our "Creator", to "Nature's God" and the "protection of Divine Providence"; The Constitution refers to freedom of religion forbidding any "religious test" for office and closing with signatures in "the year of Our Lord".

Religious tolerance is a theme of both documents.

It would seem obvious that religious faith was a principle acknowledged by ALL of the founders, regardless of their particular religion or even if they did not personally profess a religion.

Unfortunately today, we see the extremists over-reacting on both sides, fanning the flames of a fire, which if left alone, would smolder out - the more the "anti's" scream for removal of any religious references in government, the more the "for's" get alarmed that we are betraying the principles of our founding lest we become an unprincipled, amoral, anything-goes society.

One begats the other, back and forth, increasing the size of each - at some point, the rational middle majority will be exceeded by the extremes on either side and that can't bode well for our unified survival.

Our enemies won't have to attack us since we are so hell-bent on self-destruction.

So, if we want to restore peace in the family, who takes the first step? Or do we just let this escalate and continue to an inevitable conclusion?

HERE IT COMES!
HEY PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE TO FORCE GOD UPON YOU... WE CAN LET YOU DIE AND GO TO AN ETERNAL BURNING HELL....
YOU ARE RIGHT WHEN YE SAY WE FORCE GOD UPON YOUR CONDEMN SOULS.(MINE WAS AT ONE TIME) WE DON'T HAVE TO! WE DON'T NEED TOO! BUT FOR YOUR STUPID FOOLISH BELIEFS WE CARE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HELL RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD LOVE TO COME BY TO EARTH JUST SO THEY COULD BE FORCED TO BELIEVE IN GOD.
GOD DON'T RESPECT ANY! DON'T EVEN THINK YOU ARE IMPRESSING HIM. YOU'RE NOT!
RUN, RUN, RUN, RUN STRAIT TO HELL. RUN, SO IT WON'T TAKE YOU LONG TO GET THERE.
FOOLS MUST BE BORN AGAIN. WELL, SINNERS MUST BE BORN AGAIN.
YOUR PRIDE WILL BURN YOU FOR ALL ETERNITY IF YOU DON'T CONFESS JESUS IS LORD.
THE ROAD TO HELL IS WIDE AND MANY PEOPLE WILL NOT GET OFF IT

The last 8 years prove trusting in God is a fool's game. It's like trusting in the Tooth Fairy for your dental care. As a hobby, religion is just fine. To make you feel better on a stormy night, it's fine. To relieve yourself of all responsibility for bad choices and behavior, it works like a charm. To make things a little less scary when they're unhooking the vent during your final moments of life, you just can't beat it!

But like Santa and Mark Pryor, it's simply make believe and has no use in our politics nor our government. God will not protect us from the terrorist. God will not see that the sick and the poor have a safety net under them. God will not plan and construct good highways. God isn't guiding our bullets in Iraq. God is like pot, the idea makes some people feel a little better and relax a little, nothing more.

Life is not a game and this 2000 plus year game of hide and seek by a mysterious higher power is pretty lame. We can put any saying on our coins and they'll still spend, though it's pretty damn embarrassing after all these years to see the Canadian dollar be worth more than our own. So why not use human brains and labor to fix all that's wrong with the world and do all the trusting in God at night at home where you can play with your snakes as you see fit.

We'll see a black President and a female President 2 dozen times before we'll ever see an atheist President......isn't that strange? Why not show a little love and hug the first atheist you meet today?

Good job, chasv......you summed it up pretty well.

I've always found it interesting that Christians believe that the southerners who killed, raped and beat their slaves in accordance with scripture went to heaven, while Ghandi, who walked the walk of Jesus, went to hell.

And if God can burn someone eternally for not doing what He says, why can't we burn kids just for a few minutes when they disobey?

If God sacrificed his son so he could forgive mankind for their sins, isn't that like me sacrificing my daughter so I can forgive my dogs for barking all night?

Sure didn't take long to get illustrations of my point.

Here's another Christian, Family Values, God trusting, Republican......it really is a sickness. And please Allah, remove the Caps Lock key from chasv's keyboard......

Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 16, 2008; Page B05

Robert A. McKee, a long-serving Republican delegate from Western Maryland, announced his resignation yesterday after authorities, who say they are conducting a child pornography investigation, seized two computers, videotapes and printed materials from his Hagerstown home.

First elected to the House of Delegates in 1994, McKee was chairman of the Western Maryland delegation and sponsored legislation to protect minors from sexual predators. McKee, 58, also resigned yesterday from his post as executive director of Big Brothers Big Sisters of Washington County, a child mentorship program where he has worked for 29 years.

/click name for Jeebus poster

DBI:
Gee - Another instance of a professing Christian falling spectacularly short of his professed ideals. What a surprise. You have spotted an honest to goodness Sinner!

If that incident is acceptable as your idea of a stereotypical Christian, then I suppose an atheist or agnostic student who shoots up a campus, murdering a bunch of innocent kids is acceptable as a stereotype of your crew of nonbelievers out there.

Using these types of extreme illustrations to disparage those you disagree with doesn't do much to make things better . . . but then again, throwing out these little hand-grenade comments is a lot more fun and gratifying than working together to solve the problem, isn't it?

Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" 3 minute youtube clip linked at my name.

Thanks to Rev. Mojo Ryson for this reference -- I enjoyed listening to it again. Well worth the 4 minutes.
Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" 3 minute youtube clip linked at my name.

Thank God we can trust the chasv's of the world to fear the devil and god equally. Seems like he has a hard time differentiating the two. Thank God my money reminds me who to trust.. so we can keep that reminder in our back pocket next to ...well, you know. Not exactly the most respectful place where God loving or fearing folks ought to want to keep a trusty divine reminder if you ask me. The whole thing stinks.

Wouldn't putting God's name on the root of ALL evil be considered blaspheme?

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

ANOTHER REPUBLICAN SEX PERVERT RESIGNS IN DISGRACE AFTER EXPOSURE (at my name)

>>>HEY PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE TO FORCE GOD UPON YOU.<<<<

Then don't.
Just leave me and mine the hell alone.

K'THXBY

KTHXBY, it is impossible to force God on anyone... You believe or you don't believe. Simple as that.
You are saved or you are not... it is up to you whether you go to hell or to heaven. Only you can decide if you want to burn or not. All we do is put the imformation out there and you accept it or reject it.
What's so hard about that?
Let all pray for dbi. He is lost and blind and can't find the way.
Hillery Clinton, what did God tell you to do?
Your daughter was born like all of us. We are all born in sin.. but Jesus was not born in sin because God is his Father.

UMMMMMMMMMMMM so glad I refused to go to Bob Jones with my two brothers.

Don, can you say "hypocrite"? I think that's the main story line, not a person falling short. Seems the Good Master dealt a great deal with this issue in his time....or he was misquoted.

Cato:
Sure, I understand "hypocrite"; I also understand setting standards and falling short; I also sadly understand why some have no standards so they feel unaccountable for anything they do - I'm just continually disappointed when people glory in and find satisfaction in, the failures of others - myself occasionally included.

People (especially politicians/preachers/priests/etc.) who put themselves out there as Godly folk...as a representative of such and such...and then get caught doing the very stuff they've been hammering others for, are deserving of the pileup. And, to water down the blatant hypocrisies of a Huck or of a Haggard or of a Foley by saying 'hey, we all sin...you're sinning by saying others sin...' is like excusing Monkeyboy's war lies, Constitution-debasing by saying 'Clinton had sex and he lied about it...so it all evens out.'

Chasv... I wish you wouldn't smear my loving God with so much hate/damnation. Besides, isn't FORCING Godliness on sinners somewhat of a contradiction and a waste of time? Kind of like forcing someone to love someone...not possible nor desirable.

/click name for Jeebus poster - Rev. Mojo Ryson

I absolutely LOVE the Jeebus poster Rev. -

Dear Zelda, while God is a loving God He said that His wrath is against all who do not confess Jesus as HIs only begotter Son. Those that blaspheme the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven in this world or in the world to come.
All who do not repent and confess Him as Lord will not go to heaven.
How hard is it for a hard hearted sinner to understand that?
God makes no other demands. He says, "only believe!"
Zelda I am the worst of sinners.
Jesus came only to saves sinners. Which are you?

I want to tell all of you that if the TEN COMMANDMENTS were placed in every school and government buildings THE KILLINGS WOULD STOP!
The idiots that wanted them taken out these places are demons.

and if there was no such thing as fundamental religionists the World Trade Center Twin Towers would still be standing....

Why does a supposedly omnipotent God have all these inferior human emotions - rage, jealousy, hate, double-dealing, bigotry, vanity, murder, etc.?

Why should I trust someone who believes one improbability after another, follows only portions of his sacred text, ignores the rights of others, is overly vain about his belief and place in the cosmos, and slavishly wants some hocus-pocus being to do all his thinking for him?

Why? Because he said so. Because his preacher said so. Because "God" or "Jesus" said so. Because his Bible says so.

Not because it is so and he has physical, indisputable proof. No. Just because he said so.

It's been the start of many a con job and will continue until human beings get their heads out of their collective asses and start qusetioning their shamans and witch doctors and priests and evangelists and mullahs.

Those are the true demons afflicting our civilization and culture. Look at the evidence of their handiwork throughout history: inquisition, slavery, holocausts, jihads, racial hatred, slaughter, burning, supporting tyranny, suppressing women and lower castes, promoting prejudice and bigotry, ignoring and destroying scientific evidence and research, etc.

It's not a case of "I said so" when you look at the role religion has played in disrupting and controlling society. It is documented, real, and very much so. Tragically, brutally, brainwashingly so.

That religion has managed to provide comfort and solace to people is due to the nature of human need, not to the invisible spirit of some mystical being, especially to a supposedly all-powerful one who is filled with baser human emotions and is the vainest of all.

The ol' song had it right about fundamentalists: "It ain't necessarily so."

If the purpose of baptism is to wash the sins off a human body, why was Jesus baptized?
If he was God Incarnate, why would he need baptism?

"God from God, Light from Light
true God from true God
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made."

Jesus emphasize that he was a frail human being who would one day suffer and die.
After his death, his followers decided that Jesus had been divine. Jesus himself certainly never claimed to be God.