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Hillary: The new Huckabee UPDATE

Of course Obama backers are saying Hillary Clinton should exit the presidential race. But you'll excuse me if I don't look to John Kerry for sound political advice.

UPDATE: Add the voice of Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post to those suggesting Obama has had an easier trip with the media than Clinton.

Comments

How can solidifying behind one candidate and focusing solely on the Republicans be bad advice, regardless of the candidate? I don't see how the current battle is strengthening the party. The opposite is true.

I'm with Levee. Barack, get out of the race. We'll call you when we need you.

"Hillary Clinton has to win a big victory in both Ohio and Texas," he said on the CNN program "Late Edition." Kerry,<<< NYT

I don't think so. All either of them need do is come up with a tie and the race is still on. Neither will have a victory.

Why are we seeing no headlines about how far Obama needs to go to sew up the nomination?
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Obama hasn't lost eleven straight primaries/caucuses, that's why.

Makes me think of the deals that you see people trying to make in these reality shows, where one promises not to put the other up for eviction if they would just give up. It usually goes badly, and if the person wouldn't listen, they would have won.

I, for one, truly hope she keeps on. Just because they are calling for her to quit doesn't mean there is any reason to listen to them, especially before the trial of that guy in Chicago that Obama is associated with.

kind of ironic, considering one of the signatures of the Clintons (plural) career's is "premature".

too early as Governor, too early as President, and it seems again too early for a female POTUS.

i've maintained and asserted that HRC would be 44 since the USSC made it's ruling in December 2000, and i will stay with that prognostication until next January when someone other than HRC takes their hand off that bible. i have come to enjoy watching people younger than i am assert themselves in the national politic in an attempt to end the damned war and end the bush/clinton era. i now hope they are successful.

on a side note, i read yesterday, but have not confirmed that Bill & Hillary were married on 11 October 1975, which was also the day that SNL premiered on NBC.

Obama's everywhere, he's the Rachael Ray of politics...with his recipe for American stoup/evoo... oops make that 'change.' They both make you feel so warm and fuzzy, and darn-it, we love to giggle and be inspired with the flavor of the month!

"Obama hasn't lost eleven straight primaries/caucuses, that's why."--prouster


I've been trying hard not to let Republican Love for Obama taint my view of the guy. It ain't his fault, after all, that the combination of a hunky, gifted, articulate black man and full blown Hillary Hatred has melded into one big wet dream for most of em. My god, they're practically orgasmic over the chance to stick it to Hillary while dreaming of Obama. Even in our own little political corner the Right Wingers have been Obama cheerleaders for months...are there any Times' Right Wingers who aren't in Obama's camp? But, and again, it ain't his fault. I'd argue, however, that this much Right-Wing Love ought to be ringing just a few caution bells for Democrats...plus Republican lust is an ugly thing.

Sorry you all but it all boils down to patriotism and a vote for Hiliary equals patriotism nothing more nothing less.

It's not whether or not you like Hiliary it's whether or not you like the good old US of A. The country needs a leader come January 2009 and only Hiliary of the candidates can provide that leadership.

So you want to be a patriot vote "Hiliary" anything less can be construed as ......... period.

kinda curious

over the weekend, the Clinton campaign announced :

a: HRC's tax returns to made public (somewhere around 15April)

b: Bruce Lindsey has reviewed/cleared 11,000 HRC documents pertaining to her schedules as FLOTUS (release date ?)

a cynic might suspect a campaign ploy to diminish the perception that HRC is "secretive", but i know it is just a "coincidence" :)


The following was found on the Cincinnati Enquirer website:
HISTORY LESSON ON HILLARY The following is a PARTIAL list

The following was found on the Cincinnati Enquirer website:
HISTORY LESSON ON HILLARY The following is a PARTIAL list of Hillary's accomplishments, activities, and behavior during the past 15 years since they first ran for President in 1992: The entire list below represents historical facts that are not in dispute anywhere. 1) As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would 'demonize' anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.) 2) Hillary also assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. The same Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as 'my worst mistake.' 3) Hillary was also the person who recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn..need more? 4) Hillary recommended three of her former law partners for Administration jobs: Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury Dept., respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster allegedly committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign. 5) Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene later confirmed in a 1996 Senate Judiciary Committee hearing both the drug use and Hillary' s involvement in hiring Livingstone. As a result, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, which had previously served seven presidents for over thirty years without any such incident.) 6) In order to open 'slots' in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for gross mismanagement' and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours. 7) Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the "bimbo eruption squad" and scandal defense. How competently did she perform? Just follow these dots: She is the one who urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. She also stubbornly refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill's lying about and later admitting the affair. Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all. And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury. And Bill was impeached by the House. And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice. She avoided it mostly because she repeated, 'I do not recall,' 'I have no recollection,' and 'I don't know' 56 times under oath.

8) Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady's role of decorator of the White House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for example, the First Lady's Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists' depictions of the theme, 'The Twelve Days of Christmas.' 9) Hillary wrote 'It Takes a Village,' demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint. 10) Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state where she had never lived. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support. 11) Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen. 12) In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the "gender card" by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on a poor woman. 13) Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.) 14) As a Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11. 15) Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

after tomorrow's TX, OH, VT, RI primaries the next contest is a caucus on saturday 8Mar in Wyoming, then MS next tuesday 11Mar. after that it will be SIX weeks until Pennsylvania.

"groundhog" day? (pardon the pun) if HRC wins in TX and OH (RI seems hers as a given) then "she has seen her shadow" and there will be another 6/7 weeks of winter.. i mean campaigning.

during which, HRC will likely lose substantially in the Wyoming caucus and MS primary. and given the increasingly negative spirit of the supporters of the two campaigns over the past few weeks, the DEM hierarchy (pardon the pun) and superdelegates will be under intense pressure to step in and "stop the bleeding".

it looks to me as if HRC, whether she wins or loses on 4Mar in TX and OH, is in a position to demand the VP slot by virtue of her delegate count and the real threat of her continuing to campaign if denied it. (her leverage of course would be increased after wins and would make her look more magnanimous)

seems almost obvious to me.

"Obama hasn't lost eleven straight primaries/caucuses, that's why."--prouster

It is the myopic perspective of the Obama lovers [not thinkers] who stand to lose this election for the Democrats. Reasons: 1. Caucus wins are inherently weak relying as they do on 1% or less of the voting population, skewed toward left liberals and folks with leisure time on their hands [elderly and youth - two groups of whom are Obama strengths]. 2. Many of the states he has won will never be in the Dem column come November. They are GOP states and so in touting only the number of states won, the Obama people are misleading the party. 3. The Rezko trial, which opens in Chicago this morning, is going to smear Obama. There is a particularly torny issue which will get aired involving Obama killing a contract with GE Mortgage which would have helped first time black home owners on Chicago's south side in order to pave the way for Rezko to purchase land and property. Watch his black support dwindle when that testimony comes forth. 4. John McCain, as old as he is, is going to destroy Obama painting him as a left liberal, smooth talking, untested guy. In the sanctity of the voting booth, more Republican levers [or touch screens] are going to be pulled/punched. We 'unthinking', emotion charged Democrats are once again going to do it to ourselves.

I don't know if 'Poetry in Motion' is an Obama supporter or a filthy Repuke (it's hard to tell the difference when Hillary is the topic (and that's a subject for a whole 'nother posting)).

But, if PiM had used AlGore's magnificent invention, he/she would have been able to discover that the list of lies posted never appeared in the Cincy, it originated on that bastion of reliability www.freerepublic.com.

Now, if PiM wants someone to base their political decisions on freeper rantings, that's her business. But, others on the Ark Times blog should beware of the origins of long winded cut and paste postings.

Now, if PiM wants someone to base their political decisions on freeper rantings, that's her business. But, others on the Ark Times blog should beware of the origins of long winded cut and paste postings

Excuse me 70% this is an excerpt from the Cincinnati Enquirer, that's the reason it was copied and paste so that you can read word for word. Evidently, you brought the bait. Your judgment about me is neither here nor there, it's what is written. Don't thank me, send your regards to the Cincinnati Enquirer and you have a great day!

PiM, you will please to provide link?

Janus -

You are 100% correct in your reasoning and explanation regarding Obama's "11 straight wins." You might also add that he has consistently won those states that allow Republicans to cross over and vote in Democratic primaries. Take a guess at who they voted for - that's right, the big O.

"But you'll excuse me if I don't look to John Kerry for sound political advice."--Ark. Blog

Yeah, but last week we were supposed to listen to Geraldine Ferraro, half of the most thoroughly defeated presidential ticket ever. Kerry at least managed to win quite a few states and garner 48% of the vote.

You take political advice from whomever you can find who suits your biases. You are an in-the-bag Clinton partisan, so anyone who disagrees with your stance is automatically wrong. Nevermind that if Obama had done as poorly as Hillary has, you'd most likely be suggesting forcibly and regularly that he should get the hell out of the race and leave it to his betters who know how these things work.

Rather than directing snark at John Kerry, you might try a more substantive post on why it is that Hillary Clinton should stay in the race and continue to direct potshots at the likely nominee of the party in a way that does nothing but damage the party. And make no mistake, once you get past the "I'm experienced" theme in whatever rhetorical flavor the odious Mark Penn has mixed up in a given week, delivered in whatever persona Hillary has adopted for a given day, all Clinton is left with is attacking Obama. Is one person's ambition really worth harming the Democratic Party's hopes in the general election? When that person is a Clinton, I suppose the answer is yes, at least for the more fanatical amongst their supporters.

ARK. BLOG: Wrong again, Gaddis. I cited Ferraro for her explanation of the super delegate process, a useful exercise given the misinformation floating around. Kerry is just saying "get out." Big insight.

As for your surmise if the roles were reversed: Heck, I don't think I've encouraged Huckabee to quit, though I don't quite understand why he's hanging around. Hillary, like it or not, is not a mathematical impossibility, though Huckabee pretty much is.

Then there's the whole "as poorly as" thing. About100 delegates separate them out of roughly 2,500 committed? It's not exactly a rout yet. He's ahead, sure, and momentum is definitely on his side. But tallying up caucus victories in the Dakotas, Kansas, etc. isn't the whole picture. One Ohio is worth a whole lot of Plains States. Tuesday night, the picture should be a good bit clearer, though perhaps not definitively so.

Finally, as embittered against the Clintons as you are and as worshipful of Obama as you are, I still hope you wouldn't give John Kerry many points for political acuity.

The notion that Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race when she currently trails Barack Obama by less than 100 pledged delegates is absurd. The Obama suppporters who complained months ago about a "coronation for Hillary" are now demanding the same for their candidate. Then again, many of these same Obama supporters crowned their candidate the nominee after Iowa.

Click on my name for an accounting of just how close it is. The list is just pledged delegates, not superdelegates, whose loyalties as the last few days have demonstrated are prone to shift with the wind.

It's not over yet--nor should it be over, given the recent baggage that Obama is beginning to accumulate with the first hints of unbiased national media coverage, which makes his "electability" argument much less credible. Orating one's way to the White House is not a realistic strategy.

Correction--Obama leads Clinton by 119 pledged delegates. Pardon the faulty math. My original premise is valid.

PiM, it's been several hours now and you still haven't provided the link to the Cincy article you so carefully pasted here.

I know Max's blog software isn't the most friendly toward posting links, but I'll give you some help, a link to a real Cincy article will start with something like this: http://news.enquirer.com/

You can copy & paste the whole link (you're pretty good at that procedure) from the long text box at the top of your browser.

Until you post a direct link ('cause I searched the Cincy site and came up empty) I'll have to assume you got the scurrilous ravings from your drunken ne'er-do-well brother or directly from the Freeperville pages. Basically, everything you say from here on out should be taken as B***S***.

7o% I do have a life and I don't have all day to surf the blog to get your message. What do you do for 8 hours a day? While you are waiting for me to furnish you with information, google sometime, make your life interesting. I am signing off now, so basically everything you say must be B****S***T. Have a good damn evening!
Enquirer statehouse bureau Jane Prendergast, Cincinnati City Hall reporter ..... A HISTORY LESSON Clinton Scandals: http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm ...
frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/gov/2008/02/obama-campaigns-in-cincinnati.asp - 160k -

PiM, it is irritating that policing the lies of Obama supporters has become as much a full time job as policing the lies of filthy Repukes. But, your cites only refer to a posting on a blog, much like this one. They have not been published by the Cincy, it's just like some fool copying & pasting your rantings and claiming "These were posted on the Arkansas Times".

Rubbish, and if you're an Obama supporter, more shame on you. At least filthy Repukes can't help themselves.

how 'bout THREE for the price of ONE ?

Obama for President, HRC for VP, tickets wins

NY Gov. Spitzer appoints the man from Chappaqua to serve out HRC's term in the Senate

throw in Patrick Fitzgerald for AG and Colin Powell for DEF Sec

how'd that be for UNITY ???

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