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Hillary's comment about taking sniper fire, Carville calling Bill Richardson Judas, the new Iraq war milestone and media reporting failings ... you know you have something to say about all of this. So get it off your chest. An open line.






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just get this circus finished and get on with the Big One.
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Posted by: eLwood
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March 24, 2008 06:02 PM
it is about time that somebody calls matthews on his editoralizing and opinions as endorsment. he has been trying to sink hillary for a long time. the expression on his face was priceless and i wish i had seen the rest of the piece.
folks it is good to be back. i won't be writing much but this was too good not to stick my 2 cents in. thanks for all the kind words, prayers ect. they got me through a long strech where i was not able to even read the times. my wife would read and bring copies of the things she knew i would be interested in. there were a couple of personal notes from some of you that were very heartfelt and appreciated. for a bunch of hardnosed liberals whose interests are only politics i can verify that that is not true. larry, zelda, jazzy, dbi i can't name all cause i will forget and embarass myself or make somebody mad. i even wan't to thank the conservatives for the prayers and best wishes, that shows that there hearts behind them if we give them a chance. a couple of things brought tears to my eyes. thanks and sincere love zonker
Posted by: zonker
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March 24, 2008 06:09 PM
The new death toll report in Iraq is disheartening. For the almost 60 Arkansans who sacrificed their lives and for their families, our family just prays for the safe return of our troops as soon as possible.
RE: Democrat primary, if Obama just had the thousands of public events, foreign trips for the US, speeches and statements on policy, votes cast in the Senate, and other public responsibilities that Hillary has had over the years, he might understand a blink of confusion every now and then.
How's that trial going for Obama's slumlord, Big $$$ Best Friend?
RE: Richardson. Carville said it right. No need to apologize. Bill Richardson, like some others around the country and even here in Arkansas, have very short memories about the Clintons who brought them to the Big Dance in DC. Bill Richardson would not have been a Cabinet member and US Delegate to the UN, then later, someone with a book contract and an ability to run for President, were it not for Bill & Hillary Clinton.
As for the media reporting failings, why should we ever be surprised by that?
Elwood's right .... let's get on to the convention already. Let's vote, let's cut a deal, and let's get on to the fall campaign against McCain.
Posted by: bayou
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March 24, 2008 06:30 PM
Zonker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when I saw your name, just now, had to give a little shout.........
welcome home,
behave yourself now.
How nice to read a Zonker post, made my evening.
Posted by: jazzy
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March 24, 2008 06:30 PM
"Republicans believe in the free market for profit,
but they're Socialists when it comes to losses."
-- Bill Maher
Proof? Click on Cato
Posted by: Cato
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March 24, 2008 06:34 PM
Hillary "misspoke" about the smiper fire, according to one of her top campaign advisers.
Hmm, misspoke....
Reminds me of an old joke about misspeaking. As the punch line approaches, a man is musing about how often he has misspoken--trying to say one thing while quite another comes out of his mouth. "Why just this morning while my wife and I were having breakfast," he recalls, "I meant to say, 'Darling, please pass the corn flakes,' but instead I misspoke and said, 'You vicious cow, you've ruined my life!'"
Posted by: Polecat
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March 24, 2008 06:45 PM
Welcome Back zonker. So good you can raise up and peck a few keys. Give our best to Mary.
I lost your Email address when starting my new sbc service today. I had transferred email addresses
and after the old was cut off I started using the new only to discover it only transferred the names.
So if you come back and read this send me your E-mail address to
l.w.wood@sbcglobal
Best wishes for an enhanced recovery.
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Posted by: eLwood
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March 24, 2008 06:56 PM
Ahh...you're right, jazzy...made my day to see zonker's 2 cents. Every time I write 'President Shit for Brains' it's mostly for you, zonker.
Carville's absolutely right...Richardson is a Judas. And I thought that before I knew he'd PROMISED Bill Clinton that he wouldn't support Obama...he's stay out of it if he didn't want to give Hillary his blessing. Lying backstabber.
Watched President Shit for Brains today as he explained how he feels all the soldiers' pain...puke...and he's a liar, too. He's let ambition/arrogance blind him to everything but his way.
Posted by: zelda
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March 24, 2008 07:00 PM
"I was quoted accurately and in context, and I was glad to give the quote and I was glad I gave it," Mr. Carville said. "I'm not apologizing, I'm not resigning, I'm not doing anything."
No matter who your favoriate candidate is, this comment is just incredibly refreshing! Carville is probably my favorite Cajun.
Posted by: Perplexed
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March 24, 2008 07:13 PM
Thanks for the humor Cato. Hillarious while sad cartoon. Polecat I love that one of yours!
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Posted by: eLwood
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March 24, 2008 07:23 PM
Sorry I missed Carville. He's looking more and more reptillian every day. So, Richardson thinks Obama will be the best choice for President and he get's called a Judas. And y'all think it would be better for him to support his old pals because they have more history together?
Posted by: pollen
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March 24, 2008 07:55 PM
James Carville always reminded me of a Cajun gator wrestler channelling Hunter S. Thompson and speaking newspeak with the deepest drawl he could manage. When we're all passed from this world and someone writes the Broadway play about turn-of-the-21st century politics, I believe he will be written in as the comic foil.
Posted by: Kat Robinson
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March 24, 2008 08:01 PM
PBS .......Frontline...8pm....DBI, I know you are watching!!
Posted by: Nanc
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March 24, 2008 08:08 PM
Why do Repubs hate America so? Click on Cato
Posted by: Cato
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March 24, 2008 08:10 PM
Oh, God! We've got THREE religious wingnuts up for POTUS?
A pre-senile adulterous Republican flip-flopper who used to be an anti-Christian-extremist who's now a pro-Christian extremist? Who met a rich wife to finance the rest of his life? Whoo-kay.
America's first serious black Presidential Candidate, uh, who's attended one of the most bigoted racist churces in America (Rev. Wright) for over twenty years? Hunkey dory.
America's first serious white woman Presidential Candidate whose ostensible membership in the Methodist Church masks her participation in "The Famly." Praise God. Or Jesus. Or Hitler. Same thing, apparently, according to "The Family." since Hillary praised "The Family's" current leader, Doug Coe, as her "spiritual mentor.
Check following links to inform yourselves.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html
That's just a start.
http://jeffsharlet.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post.html
And Jeff Sharlet, in Harper's, 2003.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525
And still more.
http://openthread.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/21/82344/2146/677/481383
It ain't just Muslims trying to take over the world . . . in this . . . the waning century or so of "religious" repression of reality, diversity, humanity and truth.
Bring on the lions.
And don't just bitch. READ the links and contribute some adult comment, please.
Thanks.
Posted by: NormaBates
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March 24, 2008 08:55 PM
James Carville is the Judas. He's married to Mary Matilin. To him, it's all just a game.
Posted by: Polecat
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March 24, 2008 09:00 PM
Went to pray for you, Zonker, at one of them sacred institutions going by some name like Bloody Heart of the Redeemer On a Stick where the back pews have these ol' geezers who look like they've swallowed some bad prunes. Went up to the big rack of candles and lit a few for you. I'm not saying how many candles I lit, but by the time I left, those ol' folks in the back were getting out their sunglasses.
Craze the Lore, I Saw Delight!!
1-20-01 to 1-20-09, the American Dark Ages. Hope to see you when we celebrate the departure of the wicked wascal next year, Zonker.
On the corner of Hope & Justice with many of your pals,
Jakester
P.S. I hear Walden Pond is a great place for a farout submarine captain.
Posted by: Jake da Snake
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March 24, 2008 09:09 PM
So if Bill Richardson is Judas and he betrayed Hillary, who is Carville saying is Christ? Hillary? The Clintons? They are our "Saviour"? That's a stretch!
I agree with Richardson's reply that the Clintons think they are entitled. No one illustrates that more than the arrogant statement by a frustrated James Carville whose candidate is losing. Richardson endorsed Obama because he thinks Obama is the best choice for president and because there is no way that HIllary can win without dirty tricks. He want the Democrats to stop the fighting, choose and candidate and start picking on the real opponent--McCain. And most of all, RIchardson wants what a lot of voters want--someone besides Bush, Clinton, Bush2, Clinton2.
And now there is even more proof that Hillary will say anything to get elected. She "misspoke" about landing under sniper fire. What about all the other things she claims that she did that make her ready to be President? Most of those are exaggerations about her role in the White House. She has misled us about the "experience" she brings with her that makes her qualified or be President. Her experience is imaginary as those "weapons of mass destruction" that Sadam had hidden in Iraq.
Posted by: Never Vote Republican
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March 24, 2008 09:29 PM
Can't wait for the Bold and the Blue to jump on you, Never Vote Republican, like he/she jumped my ass. LOL.
Seriously, though, our enemy is not among us.....let's fight to the death to prevent another Republican from getting into the White House in 2008, 2012.......forever.
Posted by: BlueRidge
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March 24, 2008 10:05 PM
James Carville is the Judas. He's married to Mary Matilin. To him, it's all just a game.
Posted by: Polecat
Thank you for finding polite words.. When James is involved.. watch your back, especially if he claims to be your friend. And I think it's refreshing to see Richardson place the country and party above old ties.. Couldn't have been an easy decision.
As for the war and occupations..
Cheney visits Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Israel this week.. and no sooner does he leave than news of Negroponte (Mr Death himself) plans to visit Pakistan. Meanwhile the whole place appears to be on the brink of eruption again.
Comprehensive death statistics for just the last 5 of our 17 years of killing (link at my name)
At least 832,962 people have been killed, and
1,590,895 seriously injured in Afghanistan and Iraq
Posted by: Eureka Springs, AR
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March 24, 2008 10:14 PM
Obama probably promised richardson the vp slot in return for the endorsement. I think Ronald Reagan called it "quid pro quo". He needs a white male (well almost white) on his ticket for him to win the presidency.
Posted by: Arkdude
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March 24, 2008 10:50 PM
Bayou-
Are you honestly suggesting that Hillary had a "blink of confusion" about SNIPER FIRE? It'd be one thing if she got a small detail wrong... but she said there were snipers... she said they had to duck and run... she said they had to cover their heads... she said there was no welcome ceremony. NONE of those statements are remotely accurate.
Have you ever been shot at? If you have, it's something I'm sure you remember. If you haven't, I doubt that you make up stories that would suggest as such. So why on earth did Clinton make such a foolish mistake by telling this story -- more than once, as reports suggest -- and allowing her campaign to defend it?
I know that we live in a "post-9/11 world," but even in 1996, do you think they let first ladies (and the first kid!) land under sniper fire? Seriously. Of course they wouldn't. From where I'm sitting -- which is a position that will see me vote democratic this fall -- I don't see how *anyone* can justify this tall tale... Especially not when Hillary knows the sort of scrutiny she's under and that everything she's done since 1992 (at least) has been recorded or witnessed by somebody else.
Posted by: cozmosis
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March 24, 2008 11:37 PM
"Obama probably promised richardson the vp slot in return for the endorsement" posted by Arkdude
So what if he did? Hillary was probably offering him the same or a cabinet post to get his endorsement. I agree with Eureka that it's good to see Richardson putting his country and party first.
The point is, the fighting within the Democratic party needs to stop. Read "Boom" by Tom Brokaw. There were a lot of factors that influenced the 1968 Democratic convention and nomination including an unpopular war. It split the Democratic party and the nomination wasn't made until the convention. The result of the split was that Nixon was elected.
MSNBC reported that in a recent poll 37 percent of Clinton supporters said they will not vote for Obama if he is the candidate, and 26 percent of his supporters said they will not vote for Clinton. We need to be fighting to prevent another Republican in the White House--not tearing the party apart.
Posted by: Never Vote Republican
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March 24, 2008 11:41 PM
"Do you enjoy being played for fools? If so, let us give you a few more reasons to appreciate Barbara Ehrenreich."
"...at The Huffington Post:
In her piece, Ehrenreich was helpfully letting readers know that Clinton is a right-wing tool-that she's been drawn "into the sinister heart of the international right." Her evidence for such a remarkable statement? For starters, Clinton attends the Senate Prayer Breakfast, thereby allying herself with Hitler...this is how Democrats lose elections-and conservative interests prosper:"
"the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics."
"The (proposed) law to which Ehrenreich refers is the Workplace Religious Freedom Act (WRFA). Variants of the bill have been presented in Congress for years; it may be a bit of a Potemkin measure, repeatedly offered as a way of pandering to certain groups. But the WRFA is a bipartisan bill, with somewhat unusual blends of sponsors and opponents. In 2005, for example, the bill was introduced in the Senate by Rick Santorum-and by John Kerry, a Democrat from Massachusetts. (In 2004, Kerry was the Democratic Party's nominee for president.) In the House, the bill was introduced by Rick Souder, the Indiana Republican-and by Carolyn McCarthy and Anthony Weiner, two Democrats from New York.
"Has Clinton been drawn "into the sinister heart of the international right?" If so, Kerry (and McCarthy) seem to be there too-a point Ehrenreich absent-mindedly forgot to mention in her unfortunate rant. For the record, Kerry has introduced some variant of this bill every year since 1999, after two of his constituents got fired for refusing to work on Christmas Day. Ehrenreich omitted that too."
"At some point, liberals and Dems will have to decide: How long do we tolerate rube-running conduct of this type from our "intellectual leadership?" How long do we plan to be insulted by "leaders" who mainly love running us rubes?"
http://www.dailyhowler.com/
Posted by: bejeeus
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March 25, 2008 02:33 AM
Maybe, bejeesus, you'll spend twenty minutes reading other links than just Barbara Erenreich.
Or maybe you won't, apparently.
Maybe you won't read Jeff Sharlet, ad nauseum, to ground your opinions in something solid.
Maybe you'll come up with some facts and citations instead of ad hominem shoot-the-messenger attacks.
Maybe you won't.
Posted by: NormaBates
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March 25, 2008 04:39 AM
'Or Maybe'...make up my own mind...forget about the talking-heads-always-wrong-about-everything-claptrap...media (political advisor's)!?!?!?
Posted by: bejeeus
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March 25, 2008 06:07 AM
The whole idea of being a sniper is the surprise, the stealth, being where least expected.
It appeared the soldiers with Hillary were ready for sniper fire. The US military were wearing flak jackets, they understand the situation better than the talking heads of cable TV.
It is great to see Chris Mathews and Peggy Noonan back together again. Havent seen Ms Noonan, since Bush`s war turned bad.
Posted by: succubus_demon
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March 25, 2008 06:56 AM
Cannot confirm or deny Hillary's Bosnia experience but will say this after spending 19 months there as a civilian (Eagle Base in Tuzla 10/00 - 07/02) and traveling around to Camp Dobel, Connor, Sarajevo, Mostar, etc., usually in a convoy with helmet & flak vest on...sniper fire would not be surprising...don't get me wrong I never came under fire...it just would not be surprising if it happened...there were and sitll are a lot of disaffected serbs living in parts of Bosnia and the US was still chasing some of the wheels involved in all the killing. Artillary positions were manned 24/7 at strategic points and high alert maintained to ward off intrusion of the serbain air force. I only had to go into a bunker once my entire assignment....
A mass grave of about 400 people was found within a mile of Camp Connor...the drive to get there was through a burnt out shell of country side (only one of many) where one dared not step off the road as mines littered the fields and minor roads. Even the base I was assigned to had off limit areas that were assumed to be mined. There is a very good book by Peter Maass called Love Thy Neighbor: A Story of War that will give one a clear perspective of the genocide that took place.
As to Hillary, the locals there see her and Bill as Saviors and view the Dayton Accord as the point when they were assured they would no longer be killed arbitarily. Now as to the sniper fire who knows and who cares, it was then and later when I was there a dangerous place. I do not have a doubt that given the opportunity they would have certainly taken a shot.
Posted by: ArkansawTravler
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March 25, 2008 07:51 AM
Cannot confirm or deny Hillary's Bosnia experience but will say this after spending 19 months there as a civilian (Eagle Base in Tuzla 10/00 - 07/02) and traveling around to Camp Dobel, Connor, Sarajevo, Mostar, etc., usually in a convoy with helmet & flak vest on...sniper fire would not be surprising...don't get me wrong I never came under fire...it just would not be surprising if it happened...there were and sitll are a lot of disaffected serbs living in parts of Bosnia and the US was still chasing some of the wheels involved in all the killing. Artillary positions were manned 24/7 at strategic points and high alert maintained to ward off intrusion of the serbain air force. I only had to go into a bunker once my entire assignment....
A mass grave of about 400 people was found within a mile of Camp Connor...the drive to get there was through a burnt out shell of country side (only one of many) where one dared not step off the road as mines littered the fields and minor roads. Even the base I was assigned to had off limit areas that were assumed to be mined. There is a very good book by Peter Maass called Love Thy Neighbor: A Story of War that will give one a clear perspective of the genocide that took place.
As to Hillary, the locals there see her and Bill as Saviors and view the Dayton Accord as the point when they were assured they would no longer be killed arbitarily. Now as to the sniper fire who knows and who cares, it was then and later when I was there a dangerous place. I do not have a doubt that given the opportunity they would have certainly taken a shot.
Posted by: ArkansawTravler
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March 25, 2008 07:51 AM
My apologies for the double post but about the time I punched the post button I was informed the server was down and in the course of making a correction I evidently posted twice.
Posted by: ArkansawTravler
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March 25, 2008 08:30 AM
I have to admit Hillary's sniper fire story really bothers me. I agree, you'd remember if you were ever EVER shot at. And knowing every eyelash was under examination 24-7, why would any candidate ever say anything that wasn't true. Oh, you can say I LOVE AMERICA and probably no one will show up with video showing you don't, but making up a story or going along with a story that you know is false.....that sorta screams character flaw to me.
Of course I've never run for President 24-7 flying all over the country everyday, constantly asked questions and delivering answers and making sure your fly is zipped and no toilet paper is hanging off your shoe. But still......forgetting if you were shot at, taking a chance that no one in the crowd of thousands will remember what actually happened, much less have video of that day. It's pretty damning....it looks bad.
I've never been much of a liar. I lie only only to save my ass, only in cases where a really serious ass kicking will result combined with really hurting the feelings of someone I love. You know.....lying about infidelity. I also lie pretty regular when a sweet elderly person asks me if I Know Jesus. A. I don't want to hurt their feelings. B. I don't want them to dislike me. C. I don't want to spend the next 3 hours hearing how Jesus came into their lives. I won't bore you with 8 hours of home video of our trip to Bermuda in 1984, so please don't bore me with tales of how Jesus has you on speed dial. Fair trade, don't you think?
But I take lying pretty seriously which leaves me pretty upset with Hillary. I too think Richardson is a Judas. If Bill Clinton hadn't given him not 1 job, but 2 great jobs, he'd just be another Mexican man selling used washer and dryers in New Mexico. I put a lot of stock in loyalty, unless asked to continue supporting an ax murderer. Which brings me to the 2nd series of doubts I can't shake about the Clintons. Why have so many people from Bill's administration turned on him? I figure everyone in politics are snakes, but it's kinda amazing how many of Bill's snakes have slithered off Hillary's ship.
Is there a bad side to the Clintons that we don't know about? Or is this simply a case of people going for who they perceive holds the winning hand? If the Clintons are so rotten, why didn't we know about it all those years he was Governor? And then there were those 8 great years when he was President? Saying they think they're entitled doesn't rattle me....everyone who ever runs for office think they're entitled. I think I'm entitled to a whole bunch of stuff I'm not getting....damn it.
I've said before I'm too old to be in love with any politician. That's like falling in love with your hooker....get real! It's my desire to vote for the best man or woman as the case may be. My motives are purely selfish.....I want my country back, I want 8 years of peace and prosperity and I want to feel good about being an American again. I think that just about covers it. I'm not looking for a high powered job or free gifts in the mail or to ride in your limo......just make me feel safe and happy and secure again and I won't care if you're black or white or have a penis or a vagina. I want to do the right thing.....period.
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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March 25, 2008 10:17 AM
>>>>MSNBC reported that in a recent poll 37 percent of Clinton supporters said they will not vote for Obama if he is the candidate, and 26 percent of his supporters said they will not vote for Clinton.<<<<
Seriously?
What kind of Dem would rather vote for to keep the Repugs in the White House?
I can only hope that these folks are either speaking in the heat of the primaries and will think better when the election comes around or independants.
I've read a number of articles on "The Family" now including the ones above and a good one on alternet.com.
Secret evangelical groups that only include the powerful or those with acess to the powerful, that are worldwide and that might err on the side of theocracy freak me the hell out. I really don't like knowing that the leader of this group (cult?) has access to so many folks within our government or a presidential candidate.
I have in the last few weeks lost much of my admiration for the Clintons I am sad to say, but will vote in the end for whoever is the Dem in November.
Posted by: Any*Mouse
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March 25, 2008 10:52 AM
Well I don't know how loyal one should have expected Richardson to be. I mean he just finished running against Clinton in the primary. Obviously he never thought the Clintons were the best thing for the country/party for whatever reasons..
And remember how late in the game he made his decision here.. I mean most people believe (like it or not) Obama has the nomination pretty well wrapped up.. Unless a tragedy or a series of crooked maneuvers happens.. Richardson just accepted the writing on the wall.. he never really changed it or tried to.. Sometimes your loyal friends have to help ya face the music.
James Carville Matlin .. didn't help.. and he probably helped his wife and her team Cheney screw America, the Democratic party, and the Kerry campaign with inside info on how Kerry's legal team was preparing to (or not to) legally respond to the Ohio vote a few years back.. It's well known he called her with inside info from Kerry's campaign during those crucial hours.. It's well known Kerry should have fought the election results.
Always remember Bushco stole at least one election and probably two.. Carville's motivation for helping his wife, aside from money, may have been Clintons insurance policy against running against a D incumbent Kerry several years later.
Clinton quit trying to sincerely help Dems get elected into the presidency before he left office.. and has been a piss poor performer ever since, except for Hillary.. Understandably his hopes and dreams are wrapped up with HC... but it's been a disaster having such a triangulator allow the party and country go down the tubes while waiting for their own best timing.
Loyalty is a two way street.... Not helping Gore was a shaft in the countries and parties back.. Screwing the Kerry campaign too (even if indirectly), and look at the people the Clinton's support in congress and the senate most of all.. they are among the worst corner of the D party apparatus... with absolutely no loyalty to the constitution or the majority of the people.
Stepping back and considering the big picture.. I think Richardsons loyalties serve us far better..Carville is only loyal to his paycheck source which has been his Clinton affiliations for far to long. His appearances on CNN have been a constant shiv in the Dem party for years now!! The guy is a cretin at best. Most of all, it's a great time in American politics to see DLC'ers cast into the trash heap of history. Can't happen fast enough. Any Dem who isn't rich or really a GOPer at heart when truth be known, who appreciates loyalty from their representatives, should be celebrating this event
Posted by: Eureka Springs, AR
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March 25, 2008 11:45 AM
Truth is, Mouse, no one who votes for McCain is any kind of Democrat....no one...they're lying bout voting or lying bout being a Dem, but they're lying.
Mark Pryor isn't really a Democrat, he's in disguise....has been since Day 1. He'll probably slip in and vote for McCain....specially if Joe LIEberman tells him to. So we can quit trying to pretend Mark Pryor is a Democrat.
And where are my manners? I forgot to say howdy to zonker. Hi zonker! Glad to see ya back. Take your meds. Keep the TV off the Playboy channel! Listen to yer wife (ouch)! And stick with us for the exciting finish of the ClusterF**k To the White House '08!
I'm working on a special Victory drink combining scotch and Angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors just for you to toast with on that bright shining day of restoration this coming November. I look forward to singing Happy Days Are Here Again with you on the night of November 4th!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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March 25, 2008 11:50 AM
dbi thanks for the kind words. you could not imagine how much i am listening to my wife. i have lost 30-35 pounds already and hope there is more to come. she has me on a gruel diet but at least i get seconds if i want. she also has saved my life and loved me so that is not a bad trade for a few meals of gruel. i have been so infuriated by politics these days that i have had to leave off the stuff that makes me mad. the heart attacks hit so hard that i haven't even able to read much so i am not going to worry about anything for a while. there is a long way till the election and we still will make history in my opinion, come november if we just shut up the arguments among ourselves .then come january this country will get back to running the way it is supposed to. have any of you read assimov's foundation triology? remember abberations in history happen over time and we have to look at george bush as just that, nothing more than a bad blip in history. he will be seen as a bad bump in the overall history of a wonderful country.
Posted by: zonker
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March 25, 2008 12:27 PM
when Bill Richardson says the Clintons practice "gutter" politics, he may be understating it, from his own experiences. for what transpired in 1997 when he was Ambassador to the U.N. is likely part of the subtext of this year's machinations (including the "false"(denied anyway) report of BR's Iowa campaign advocating his caucus-goers to support Obama if they did not meet the 15% threshold)
a case could well be made of BR being "used, abused, and embarrassed" without being "trusted" in 1997 (which like so many things, boomeranged on the Clintons in 1998 and continues today) and such things, seemingly unimportant at the time, are what become History.
Posted by: muleboy303
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March 25, 2008 12:44 PM