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To the jump for a continuing LR School Board e-mail discussion on discipline in the schools. Most recent at the top.

FROM BOARD E-MAILS

From: bkurrus@aol.com [mailto:bkurrus@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:38 AM
To: Linda.Watson@lrsd.org; melaniefox@alltel.net
Cc: currydianne0405@yahoo.com; Dianne.Curry@arkansas.gov; Charles.Armstrong@lrsd.org; ffa191@sbcglobal.net; larry.berkley@gmail.com; rmdaugherty@aristotle.net
Subject: Re: Last nights speakers

 

I like Ms. Koehler a lot, but thought the remarks to the board about discipline were a little premature, under the circumstances.  Principals need to handle discipline and teacher concerns.  I could understand the frustration if the administration had allegedly failed to respond to the concern, but I never heard that the administration had been given a chance.  Moreover, the central office doesn't have the information required to handle individual cases or issues.  There are too many of them to address at the associate superintendent level.  If the matters are not being handled properly within the buildings, the role of the administration is to fix the process and the personnel in the buildings.  I was not clear on whether the problem was viewed as general and district-wide, or limited to certain buildings.  I think it was a little alarming, and perhaps damaging to our recruitment efforts, to criticize the administration without affording the administration some opportunity to deal with the problem first.

I don't know the details of the Fisken problem, or all of the merits.  I think it is premature for the board to delve into the facts or prejudge the matter.  I was, of course, very sympathetic to the parents and the child, and my hope would be that we can help the child in some context. I think that is our basic responsibility.  I hope we will be service-oriented, and prompt and diligent in reviewing the matter.  I trust that we will encourage all of our personnel to understand that parents and students are the reason we exist.

BK 


-----Original Message-----
From: Watson, Linda <Linda.Watson@lrsd.org>
To: Melanie Fox <melaniefox@alltel.net>
Cc: Diane Curry <currydianne0405@yahoo.com>; Dianne Curry (ADE) <Dianne.Curry@arkansas.gov>; Armstrong, Charles <Charles.Armstrong@lrsd.org>; ffa191@sbcglobal.net; Baker Kurrus <BKURRUS@AOL.COM>; Larry Berkley <larry.berkley@gmail.com>; rmdaugherty@aristotle.net
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 1:38 pm
Subject: RE: Last nights speakers

Mrs. Fox:

 

I understand that an attorney represented the Fiskens; however, there are two sides to the story.   The Tri-district Committee, which he referenced, is an arm of the LRSD and governs Prek issues for the three school districts.  Therefore, LRSD personnel have been and are involved in the process. It is my understanding that the Tri-district administers assessments and is governed by educational guidelines that are different from those of private providers. Therefore, assessments were conducted by Tri-district and the results will be interpreted and presented to the Fiskens’ in a meeting. I understand from Mrs. Barnes, that the meeting has been scheduled and a staffing will be conducted to address the issues surrounding this child.  I further understand that the child may be developmentally delayed, but it may not be to the extent that it falls under the guidelines that would require the student to remain in Prek.  Whether this child is ABC or not, is not the issue.  We have the same rules for ABC as non-ABC students. We have also sent all of the information from Tri-district to Attorney Eddings for review.

 

As far as the CTA is concerned, they have not brought the individual instances regarding discipline to my attention or the associate superintendents so that we could address their concerns.  I talked to Mrs. Koehler after the meeting and she stated that the situation she discussed in the Board meeting was regarding one school.  Had she discussed the situation with LRSD personnel, we would have been able to respond.  It appears that teachers are going straight to the CTA, without using the Building Coordinating Committee or directing the concerns to the associate superintendents when principals are not following the Student Handbook.    

 


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From: Melanie Fox [
mailto:melaniefox@alltel.net ]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:20 AM
To: Watson, Linda
Cc: 'Diane Curry'; 'Dianne Curry (ADE)'; Armstrong, Charles; ffa191@sbcglobal.net ; 'Baker Kurrus'; 'Larry Berkley'; rmdaugherty@aristotle.net
Subject: Last nights speakers

 

Dr. Watson,

 

I just wanted to touch base with you about some of the speakers last night.

 

I have tried to stay out of the Forest Park Pre-K issue due to my relationship with the staff, parents and students.  I know that you discussed this issue with me early stating that there was not enough evidence to warrant this child being placed in Pre-K instead of Kindergarten.  You also indicated that ABC would not accept this child under their guidelines.  However, this child does fall into the ABC category and ABC has indicated that their rules do not apply to him.  At the time, I accepted that and was happy that the process was working.  You can imagine my disappointment last night when an attorney representing this family spoke about this issue and provided the board with a plethora of information about this situation. There is compelling documented evidence such as: letters from Dr. Eugene Lu (a reputable pediatrician),  an evaluation from A Step Ahead Therapy For Kids, documentation from Arkansas Children’s Hospital (examiner Beth Nutt), letter from the Preschool Director of Westover Hills Preschool, letter from Let’s Talk Speech Pathology Services, LLC, a developmental assessment report from Pulaski County Tri-District Early Childhood as well as an occupational therapy evaluation, that indicates this child needs to be placed in Pre-K.  This would not only benefit this particular child but all the children that would be in his Kindergarten class as well as the teacher.  According to the information that was presented the review committee from the LRSD never even met this child, much less assessed this child.  In my opinion, we need a better protocol to deal with this type of situation for all the children of this district.  Please give your attention to this matter today since the Pre-K letters are going out.  I feel that if we do not address this immediately, we will open up the district to litigation now and in the future.

 

My other concern is the discipline issues that the CTA spoke about.  I have also had a few calls from teachers, aides, bus drivers etc that have indicated that discipline has become a concern.  The CTA is right in the fact that teachers should be teaching not constantly disciplining children.  Everyone needs to be working together to solve this issue.  Again, your immediate attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated.

 

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help with these matters or call if you would like to discuss further.

Melanie

 

Comments

I have nothing to say. Just wanted to be the first guy to post, before everybody else gets up Sunday morning while I'm still schnuuzing.
BTW, my brother's dog is a copropheliac. It's not something he's proud of, but we've learned to live with worse in our family.

Shit. I'm sorry.
I thought this was an open line. You know, "mail bag" and all.
Let me be clear. In no way am I trying to associate the LRSD with coprophelia.

"My other concern is the discipline issues that the CTA spoke about. I have also had a few calls from teachers, aides, bus drivers etc that have indicated that discipline has become a concern. The CTA is right in the fact that teachers should be teaching not constantly disciplining children." - Melanie Fox

More than ever, discipline problems at school can be tracked to the attitudes and behavior of parents. To wit: Colorado police responding recently to a public-disturbance call found a couple fighting over which street gang their 4-year-old son should join. The 19-year-old Hispanic father wants the child to follow him into his largely Hispanic Westside Ballers. The child's black teenage mother has her heart set on the toddler joining the nationwide Crips organization.

Pity the school principals and teachers who'll one day be dealing with children from homes like this one. I hasten to add that those who believe sorry parenting equal to the above does not exist among whites and other races are either uninformed or misinformed.

Too right Durango, this is not a racial issue even if there is a component that is cultural. There are plenty, of bad parents in the system now from all races. I guess there always have been and I was just fortunate enough not to be exposed back in the day.

I guess it just shows that it is time to go to vouchers and go ahead and divide the schools systems again only this time on the basis of those who can be reached and those who need special care. I hate it but it has been a long time coming and like so many problems we want our solution to be the right one even if it doesn't work. The current system doesn't work well enough.

Sure, Max can make a case that his kids got a good education and all of that. Motivated students with motivated parents will never be the measureing stick for success and never should be. But, marginal students who would progress in a good enviroment but are being left behind in the current system should be. The poor students are not helped in the current system which seeks to pacify them in order to teach the others. Both groups are being cheated.

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