Arkansas Blog

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Why IS there a difference in in-state and out of state tuition? Couldn't they just charge everyone the same?

In-state tuitiion discounts were created to urge Arkansas high school graduates to stay in the state. By keeping them in-state, they're more likely to stay here after graduation.

I think an end to that discount absolutely sucks.

It's nice to see a parochial minded dolt heading an "enlightened" institution. No offense to professors/other staff/students.

The UA-FS guy would be well served to shut it before he bites off more than he can chew -- frankly, if I was a state legislator, I'd introduce a law to mandate that Arkansas means Arkansas, not Arkansas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas*, all of which meet in state tuition requirements at that institution. I wonder if my Arkansas residency will get me a tuition break at UT-Austin? Here's the answer - probably not.

* see http://www.uafortsmith.edu/Future/TuitionAndFees?skin=current

"high-achieving motivated students --will no longer apply for admission to Arkansas colleges because they can't afford to pay out-of-state tuition."

I'm not so sure. If they're motivated, high-achievers, they're going to want to go to school somewhere; and if that "somewhere" is out-of-state, they'll be paying out-of-state tuition there. It may exist, but I don't know of a state that doesn't impose a greatly hiked tuition to non-residents. None of this is to say that I approve of the tuition twist that's taken place. It's regrettable.

How long has Rupert Murdoch been on the board of AP now, A couple of months?

Seems like he is FOXing AP rather quickly.

Max...are you sure got the name of the Grade A jackass right in this thread? I'm not seeing a lot wrong with what Beran says. I've not heard of an anti-Latino bias going on at UAFS. Beran appears to be saying as long as they walk this fine like it's OK to educate anyone who comes along that graduated high school. What am I missing here?

And like chasv feels whenever anyone accepts the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior, I cheer the furthering of any person's education, no matter where they came from or where they're going. My best insurance policy for a happy, safe, old age is a better educated ...uh....uh...underclass, for lack of a better term. Education makes things better, ignorance makes things worse......got it class?

Please explain more about Beran's remark. I'm not understanding how his words are harsh and I read the admissions policy - I don't see mention of proof of citizenship. I don't get it. Explain please, Max. Reading only this quote, I don't glean that Beran's attitude is antagonistic towards non-citizen residents.

ARK. BLOG: My remark was intemperate based on the comment in the article alone. It was also based on a report I received that UAFS has long been rigorously checking for students' immigration status though it was not required to do so. It's a policy that would seem to naturally have an impact on enrollment of those students. I"ve edited to more clearly reflect where I was coming from.

Just so none of us post 11 PM writers holds their breath...Max is in bed. He's not answering and tomorrow's news cycle will occupy his morning. There will be no explanation for the offense. It's
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Well, I hope more emerges, L.Wood. I live in FS (so does DBI) and do not know of UAFS having a reputation of either keeping out "Latinos" or unduly over-admitting non-citizens. I'm earnestly curious as to what Max meant and I did not gain any insight from reading Beran's remark. If UAFS widely has this reputation, I am uninformed. I realize Max's day is over - just hope this "jackass' remark is explained. I have no opinion and not enough information to form one.

BTW, L, I'm also a graduate of Fayetteville High. I'm not keen on the sale of the campus at all. Precisely because the high school was contiguous with the campus, I entered UA in my senior year and split my time between the two - and could walk to class at either institution. I don't even know where Deane Solomon road is, but the "end of town" in my day meant my relatives' farm across the street from Root School. It's now a subdivision and I have to drive around it three times to find their 19th-century family home, which is still standing among the McMansions. Times change.

Ok, here's a crazy idea. Why not provide tuition discounts based on performance and not where you lived before college. Then require living in Arkansas for x years after graduation or payback the discount.

mudturtle and KatRobinson - in-state tuition discounts are not designed to keep students in-state (though that might be a side benefit), they are to account for the fact that the families of in-state students pay taxes to support the institutions while out-of-state families do not pay Arkansas taxes. The parents of international students or NY or CA et al also do not pay Arkansas taxes and thus are charged the higher rate.

anoncow - the reasoing behind the 'Border County Exemption' is that significant numbers of the parents of these students actually work in Arkansas and thus pay Arkansas taxes. It's not available to the whole of Texas, only the residents of the counties bordering the Arkansas counties with an institution of higher ed.

"the reasoing behind the 'Border County Exemption' is that significant numbers of the parents of these students actually work in Arkansas and thus pay Arkansas taxes."

Well, other than the occasional sales tax, what taxes would they pay? I think making an exception on a case by case basis for those who actually do work in Arkansas might be fair, but not waiving it for people just because they live in a bordering county. Since most people living in bordering counties do not work in Arkansas or pay Arkansas taxes, such an exemption is unfair. And what if you lived beyond a bordering county and still worked in Arkansas?

If they can make exceptions for these bordering county people, then why can't they make exceptions for illegals who do actually work here and pay taxes.

"Purcell sent a letter last week warning schools not to offer illegal immigrants in-state tuition, unless they wanted to give the same benefits to an out-of-state student."

Looks like to me that they would have to either grant an exemption to everyone in the US if they grant any exemptions to people out-of-state also.

anoncow - the reasoing behind the 'Border County Exemption' is that significant numbers of the parents of these students actually work in Arkansas and thus pay Arkansas taxes. It's not available to the whole of Texas, only the residents of the counties bordering the Arkansas counties with an institution of higher ed.

This has nothing to do with the Border County Exemption. Go read their site - it says nothing about specific counties (Bowie County, TX, and Le Fore and Sequoyah Counties, OK, which are generally accepted given Texarkana is split between two states, and Fort Smith for all practical purposes extends over the state line into Arkhoma and Pocoloa). The direct quote from UA-FS's site is "In-state rate includes residents (at least six consecutive months) of Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas." I don't see the word county in there at all. I see the word residents of these states -- that means if I live in El Reno, OK, I'm entitled to Arkansas In State tuition at UA-FS, same for El Paso, Tx, same for Columbia, MO, according to their site.

They made it mandatory for a baby when born to get a social security number so why the hell don't they require illegals to get one? Or, better yet why don't they kick the illegals out of this nation!

They are not lawful citizens and should not be allowed to receive any assistance in any from or fashion whatsoever until such time they legally become a lawful citizen.
God said for us to obey the laws of the land and that goes for illegals too.