Arkansas Blog

Sodom and Gomorah revisted. And down the tube we go.

Good for them. I've seen hetro men and women degrade the institution of marriage far worse than what gays can do to it. If this world shows anything, it's that love is in short supply and if a gay couple has found it, good for them.

In about an hour, KGO and KRON tv will be feeding CNN and FOX live pictures of gay couples getting married on the steps of San Francisco City Hall.

And Barack Obama is for a full repeal of DOMA.

I can see the ads being cut as we speak.

Game over, man. Game over.

Ahhhh....this takes me closer to my goal of divorcing my wife and stalking David Sanders until he gives up and marries me!

.........Oh he's such a little sugar-booger!

You know, you think that nobody can be more politically delusional than Mark Penn, and then you run into a Republican bragging about his party's chances in November.

Bitter or clingy June?

Hey Wes, wasn't that you I saw on the disco dance floor at Backstreet the other night having your way with all the men, or was it them having their way with you. Bad Boi!
DBI - you can do much better than David Sanders - he's in a perpetual bad hair day!

"Why worry about war, the economy, health care or the price of gasoline when there's a chance that two people of the same sex who love each other might be given the legal rights that other committed couples enjoy?"

Click on the link for some problems with this simplistic logic.

Try that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIS5bN59sCQ

Adding liberties, enhancing freedom, is what our founding fathers did in war time.

Hooray for California

hey anon, what are you worried about? those two are a man and a woman ;)

in all honesty, comparing incest to two people of the same sex is apples and oranges.

or, like comparing a very nicely decorated fruit bowl and a 2 headed child

Maybe all us dames on this here blog can become Roomies.................
do each others hair, nails, (hands and toes) redecorate, cook,eat, drink, tell jokes,
sing, dance.....no end to all the fun..........
I could kick Frenchie to the curb for some girl sex........................NOT.

Will the FLDS now try to sue for rights in California?

"hey anon, what are you worried about? those two are a man and a woman ;)

in all honesty, comparing incest to two people of the same sex is apples and oranges.

or, like comparing a very nicely decorated fruit bowl and a 2 headed child "

How can anybody argue with that? Brilliant. So these people and most European countries are using the same logic as American advocates of gay marriage to rationalize incestuous relationships and somehow that's not applicable.

Again, here it is. Please explain the difference in the logic. The wise people of Europe don't see a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIS5bN59sCQ

Go ahead--open the door to boys marrying boys. Next it'll be boys marrying sheep, boys marrying cast iron skillets, boys marrying chipper/shredders, boys marrying pot-belly stoves. Wherever will it end?

There is only one way to rid us of queers... one way!

LMAO Brain dead anon is trying to equate incest with homosexuality!

News flash anon - co-mingling of genetic material leading to incestuous pregnancy by gay sex is impossible.. nor have I ever heard of any proposal to legally allow incestuous gay marriage.

Just because you idiots keep your head up your butt doesn't mean you should have the right tell tell others how to use theirs.

They'll be performing sodomy on tv before it all over... They are exhibitionist. Why the hell don't they shut up. Do they thing angering everybody will do them creeps any good?

"LMAO Brain dead anon is trying to equate incest with homosexuality!

News flash anon - co-mingling of genetic material leading to incestuous pregnancy by gay sex is impossible.. nor have I ever heard of any proposal to legally allow incestuous gay marriage."

I am not comparing the two. The logic for both preferences being allowed for marriage is the same, though. Two people love each other. That seems to be the logic in Europe.

California is the topic today, not some obscure hetero incestuous couple in Europe. Thousands and thousands of people are now celebrating their relationships..

It's called life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I am so glad to know that I don't have to account for anything I have done to any of you people. The bible says that gay relationships is wrong, that is true. HOWEVER, it also says: JUDGE NOT lest YE be judged. It is not my place, nor yours to judge gays, it is God's place to judge them when their time here is over. If this is how they choose to spend their time on earth and it makes them happy, then that is fine with me. I only have to answer and account for myself before God so I am not going to judge them and have to answer for that. It's up to you of course, but if you believe in God, you might want to examine your motives and think about that.

The logic of allowing a man and a woman to marry each other outside of an arranged marriage is the same as well. Two people loving each other! Boo for simplistic logic. Yea for arranged marriage. Why'd we ever get away from that?

"Go ahead--open the door to boys marrying boys. Next it'll be boys marrying sheep, boys marrying cast iron skillets, boys marrying chipper/shredders, boys marrying pot-belly stoves. Wherever will it end?"

The law currently only allows sexual relationships between legally consenting adults.
One cannot legally consent to incestuous relationships.
One cannot legally have sex with animals.
One cannot legally have sex with those under the age of consent.

In the past, you couldn't legally engage in sexual activities with someone of the same gender, regardless of age.
That law was repealed.
One CAN have homosexual relationships with other consenting adults.
What kind of double standard is it for the law to say the sex is acceptable, but you can't have a recongnized relationship?

It would entail us removing laws against the sexual activities before it could even begin to be considered for the legal status of marriage.
Who do YOU know that would vote to make bestiality or incest legal?

"There is only one way to rid us of queers... one way!"

Posted by: chasv

Do tell, chas! What do you have in mind?

Holocaust-style with trains and ovens?
Old West or Old South-styled lynchings?
Tuskegee Syphilis-style experiments?

You might be able to do away with entire races of people like that--killing them all until no more are produced, although it would take you a long time.

If the entire gay population of the world was wiped out in 2008, do you think by 2028 there would still be no gay people?

But really, since you're an upright, moral Christian man of God, what did you have in mind? What's that one way to rid the world of queers?

JK, my comments to which you refered were of the tongue-in-cheek sort. Just in case you didn't know.

But, JK, polygamy is an adult relationship.

I have a feeling some folks will be moving to Cali with legal briefs in hand.

How do you cure a nymphomaniac? Marry him/her.

And all the homophobes go NUTS. Ain't it grand?

I would think the Reichland-Jesus folks would celebrate this decision. After all, it just moves us closer to Armageddon and you chosen 144,000 will zoom thru the roofs of your homes and tall buildings to meet the man of your worship and aspirations.

Apparently, according to the laws of Jehovah-God, working on Sundays is more serious than fudge-packing guys. Working on the Sabbath calls for death (by stoning I think) whereas homos are an abomination and hence so horrible to be outside the laws of god.

So, in the eyes of god, as given us by the bible, which is worse, Sabbath labors or gay-cockin?

I'm speaking for myself here--not for JK. But about polygamy...it's not for me. mzrz mann is more than I can handle sometimes, and I wouldn't want another wife. But if all parties to a polygamist(ic?) relationship/clusterf#ck were competant,consenting adults who were not married under duress, it would have no impact whatsoever on me and my life. So why would I give a rat's ass whether or not it was legal?

If polygamy were legalized, I doubt the relatively small number of people engaged would change much. Just as the relatively small number of gay people wouldn't change much if gay marriage were legalized.

"Henny-Penny, the sky is falling!"

p.s.: Amen, eLwood.

Oh I should add:
By allowing these homos to marry there will surely be an earthquake on the West Coast. Don't ya know that gays caused the last biggie in 1906.

Chasv...there is all kinds of sex on t.v. now, if you want to pay for it, come to think of it....
its been available for 20 yrs. that I know of.....how do I know, you ask??
My daddy gave me a tape, by mistake, suppose to be of family get togethers, but, oops,
guess what? Yeah, dirty ole sex he had taped right there in his den.

Who do YOU know that would vote to make bestiality or incest legal?<<<

Oh no! You just put the big hurt on a bunch of country boys and their stump horses!

--How do you cure a nymphomaniac? Marry him/her.--

LOL! Now that would be the truth. Nothing like that ring on the finger to give you a headache or make you too sleepy at night. Works like a charm!

We have proven without a doubt that chasv is simply another self-hating HOMO who can't face up to reality...but here's some "genetic material" that I don't get - how is that within minutes, he, Anon, et al show up here like buzzards on road kill if ANYONE speaks favorably of "gay rights?"

Have THEY mastered remote "gaydar?!!"
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Homosexuality, incest and polygamy... I saw a porno once that was 3 for 3. Well, I assume they were all married because they were having sex and you can't do that unless you're married, right?

Oh L.Wood...as usual you crack me up! Thanks...levity is in short supply these days.

I agree, hugh, as long as old men men don't waylay the minor girls before their old enough to be legal, I don't care if polygamy is legalized. (But I believe it gives the government a headache figuring out stuff like SS/etc.) LEGAL marriages/sex between consenting adults doesn't affect me or mine one iota. In fact, I think it makes for a happier, more sane world. Heck, the Republicans could even come out of the bathrooms, out of the page dorms and out of madam's black books if we had a reasonable/sane approach to sexuality. And, of course, the Republicans/Clinton haters could get off Bill's back for getting a blow job.

On a different note...the most sane, happy people I've known have been my gay buddies...though they'd be happier if they hadn't had to deal will all the hate-mongering church folks as they were growing up. I love each one (Hey, Al baby!) and dream of the day when they can enjoy the same legal rights as the rest of us. There is no contest between bible thumpers/gays on who has the most compassionate, loving view of life: Gays! At least in my personal experiences,...but I've met some real nasty bible thumpers...miserable folk everyone. I keep reminding myself that hate is not what God is all about.

NICE, zelda!!! You've hit the nail (or BT's) on the head...
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Why do you all not understand why there is only one way to rid us of queers, homos?
Think, sodom and gomorrah had men, women, boys, girls and babies in those places. Pompii had men, women, boys, girls and babies and they were all put to death.

The reason is, I believe, that a person, whether a man, woman, boy or girl who's been acclimated to think it is nothing wrong with having sex with same gender is why the Lord wiped them all away.
They were just like many of you right here on this blog... you say it don't affect anyone but you. Well, that is a damn lie and you are the lie.

It is against nature for a man to lie with a man and the same goes for women... Queerdom starts in the thoughts of the brain and not in the genitals. A woman that lives in pleasure while she liveth is dead! Bible.
Ye lustfull beast!
It doen't affect me but these queers will be around to recruit others who aren't wise enough to know it is sin against God.

Jesus didn't say anything about gay people but he said a lot about charity to the poor and downtrodden.
We tend to forget that.

In the eyes of God, offenses like tying health care for children to income and killing innocent women and children in Iraq are far larger offenses than being gay.

Anon and chasv need to realize they have sins equal to or greater than gay people. It is a greater sin to be a Republican than to be gay.

UNintended Consequences anyone? an oldie/goodie from June 2006 ...

On Gay Marriages

Allow me a word or two on the subject of same-sex marriages, as I believe they will be words you have not heard before.

Recognizing and sanctioning Same-Sex marriages would establish a most unusual situation within U.S. criminal law, as it has been historically practiced, whereby one spouse cannot be compelled to testify against the other.

And if the religious right is correct in their assertion that the next step in the culture wars following legalization of same-sex marriage would be the legalization of polygamy, the complications for the U.S. criminal codes would be, pardon the pun, multiplied many fold.

Just imagine, if you will, with same-sex marriage legalized, that two gentlemen conspire to rob a bank, get caught, and in the interim between capture and trial, get married? Under current U.S. laws, they could not be compelled to testify against each other.

And if polygamy becomes legal? Well, the boys from some future Enron (and rest assured there will be another one) would have had plenty of time to get divorces, and then marry each other.

That's Silly, you say? Yes, but laws allowing double-jeopardy, "hate crimes", etc. are already in practice. Which likely means that on the day that same-sex marriages become the law of the land, (and they will) the long-standing principle that a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against the other, will be erased from the U.S. codes. (of course, a cynic like me believes that is part of the plan)

Thus when a new "right" comes into existence, an old one will be discarded. Further empowering the Government while simultaneously undermining the sanctity of the 'family'.

My oh my, and you thought the PATRIOT ACT was "tricky"?
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p.s. shouldn't all FEDERAL & State laws (especially tax codes) treat every individual as an individual regardless of marital status ?

>>>>They'll be performing sodomy on tv before it all over.<<<<

O.M.G.
So much worse then violence.
The great thing about TV is YOU DON"T HAVE TO WATCH if you don't want to.

Personally I think everyone should have to get a civil union/marriage if they want the benefits and then if they want it blessed by their specific faith they can. It kinda bugs me that Pastors act as an agent of the state when they marry a couple.
and I know if has been said before, but I just do not see how gays and lesbians getting married can damage the "sanctity of marriage" any more then hetro evangelicals already have:
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/baptist_divorce.html

Chas, do you really think God gives a hoot how or with whom you have sex?

chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY! chasv is GAY!

...and so on...

But Muleboy, anybody who commits a crime with another person can go out and get married to thwart the authorities - why would their sex matter?

I know the rr is nutty, but do you think they are conspiring to get rid of the right not to be compelled to testify?

OMG! muleboy...we should be worried now about man-woman crime couples now! surely since the law allows them to marry, droves of man/woman criminal pairs should be taking the streets RIGHT NOW! BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TESTIFY AGAINST EACH OTHER IF THEY GET CAUGHT!! THEY JUST HAVE TO MARRY EACH OTHER!! OH NOES! STOP THE PRESSES!

above is the level of argument your post deserves. have fun with it.

matter of ratios CiCi, now only two of opposite genders can take advantage of the tradition/law regarding spouse testimony, whereas in the future...

not the rr working on it, 'tis the government (read Lawyers) just itching to do away with a long held "right" to not be compelled to testify.

"It is against nature for a man to lie with a man and the same goes for women . . . ."

Every time somebody like Chasv tries pulling that old chestnut out of their Bigot's Bag, I have to laugh.

All the remark reveals is how unread, uninformed and uneducated they are.

Not only is homosexuality "natural," it is ubiquitous in the animal kingdom. The latest, most comprehensive scientific book to address the topic is Dr. Bagemihl's "Biological Exuberance," published in 2000.

Bagemihl not only documents (and photo-documents) rampant same-sex behavior in over 450 species, but also life-long same-sex pairings among whales, elephants, dolphins, giraffes, apes, etc., etc. He even discusses the evolutionary role homosexuality plays among the species.

Homosexuality is completely natural. What's NOT natural is for human beings like Chasv to be so utterly ignorant of facts and truth.

Of course, "Biological Exuberance" is a big thick book full of big thick words requiring time, intelligence and commitment to read. So one understands how Chasv hasn't gotten around to tackling it yet.

"As California goes, so goes the nation." Americans started hearing that phrase in the fifties, and it's proved true ever since.

The battle's not over, however. California religionists are determined to write their religious bigotry into the state's Constitution this fall.

Today's historic California ruling, unfortunately for them, dubs the state's anti-same-sex-marriage statutes UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

When it comes to legislating bigotry, the bigoted "majority" ultimately loses. See 1967's Loving vs. Virginia, which finally legalized interracial marriage in the US despite the "majority's" opposition.

Massachusetts? California? It's over, marriage bigots. You've lost.

Norma,

Are you okay with ploygamy then?

Listen EVERYONE....

DBI, Zelda, others...isn't it very odd indeed that Chasv comes out on the blog only when the topic of gays, lesbians, etc...is the topic of conversation? I have notice this and find it very curious indeed....

Absolutely says something about him/her/it/ whatever

just a thought...something to make you go...'hmmmmmmmmmmm'

red, why are you talking about polygamy? we're talking about same-sex marriage.
I know it's a usual republican tactic to argue with the straw man fallacy, but seriously...argue against the actual issue at hand please.example:
Apples should be banned.

real argument:
Apples are good for you, so they should not be banned.

AR Red style straw man attack:

If you ban apples, you would have to ban oranges...cause they're also in the same general category...so why do you hate oranges so much?

I'm for either getting the government out of the marriage business, Arkansas Red, or letting people organize their financial and other intimate affairs as they like within the bounds of decency (that is, no abuse of children and no coercion).

If there's a church that doesn't want to marry gay people, I'm fine with that. My church does support gay marriage and I'm even finer with that.

By the way, Red, I overheard you on the phone with your therapist, telling him about those weird dreams of yours, the ones full of necrophilia, sadism, and bestiality.

I think he gave you good advice when he said,

"Red, give it up. I've told you before and I'll tell you again: You're just beating a dead horse."

You're right Mallen, and already pegged (by me) at 4:03 & 4:52...

Government out of marriage - GREAT!! Isn't that a "Republican" concept?...Oh, no, wait.............
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Whew! Luckily in Arkansas we took care of this burning issue in 2004, with our own home-grown "marriage amendment." Too bad the authors of this jewel didn't try to ban ALL the bad stuff--fornication, adultery, dancing.

Anyway, all this hooey about "defending traditional marriage" is a hoot, when so many "traditional" marriages end in divorce and a rather significant slice of heterosexual couples cohabit before marriage. As an institution, marriage is pretty much a joke.

Apparently, the argument is: now that the California courts have ruled for same-sex marriage, thousands upon untold thousands of polygamists, siblings, pedophiles and animal-lovers will file suit in that State to get married also. Just like they did in the State of Massachusetts and every Province in Canada. What? That didn't happen?? Well, DUH!!!

Oh, and anyone who has ever been to Wal-Mart or watched a NASCAR race knows that not only is incest an accepted lifestyle in Arkansas, but it is extremely popular!

This is going to be fun.

Since California has no residency requirement, ANYBODY can go there, get married, return to their home states and demand their marriage be recognized.

Same-sex marriage will go exactly as did Loving vs. Virginia. I don't know what the tipping point is, or how far down the road, but the day lies ahead when enough legally married gays and lesbians around the country will demand their marriages be recognized wherever they freely choose to live (just like interracial marriages in 1967).

Some states (the usual suspects, Arkansas included) will man the barricades against recognizing same-sex marriages from other states until the US Supreme Court is finally forced to rule, as in Loving vs. Virginia.

At that point, the five Catholic US Supremes will either vote to force their religious beliefs on the rest of the country or, as the Republican majority on the California Supreme Court just did, vote for full equality for same-sex Americans.

Like it or not, wail all you like, thump that Bible from the rooftops, this issue was decided today in California.

chasv.....are you saying China is full of queers and that's why God wiped out 20,000 of them including children in that earth quake? Is Myanmar full of guy-guy sex and so God killed 100,000 of them as punishment? Are you calling our 4077 dead US troops gay? Those folks on the Titanic.....gay! The tornado of 96, the horrible ice storm of 2000, the hail storm of 2 weeks ago that beat the living shit out of my house and my cars....is it because I want to smoke a penis and just don't know it?

And what kind of shit have you been reading about Pompeii? A volcano blew and killed everyone, cause a volcano blew and killed everyone. Are you saying all those skeletons of mothers cuddling their babies in an effort to save them I saw in National Geographic years ago were really people in the throws of having sex with kids? Jesus.....I never thought of that! Nasty island people!

Notice the people worried about gay sex are people who haven't had any kind of sex since 1967? Listen! You all are safe cause ain't nobody wanting to have sex with you! Rest easy old fellers! And as I've said a million times, the best way to stop gay sex is to let them get married. But get ready....after they've been married for a year they'll start slowly showing up on the this blog filling up all the empty time they got on their hands.

Between you and me, chasv, I don't like your God. He's too damn pissy for me. Too narrow minded...totally ego-ed out. All about him! All about him! I'll kill a few hundred thousand of you FK'ers in a storm....I'll make big headed babies that suffer and die. I'll zap old Billy Graham's wife and let him miss her while Parkinsons slowly turns him to stone. I'll invent sex and then put lots and lots of restrictions on it. And then for fun...I'll punish and punish and punish your little peon asses so ya got nothing much memories of misery to think about in your last days.

Oh yeah, chasv....your God is a real peach! The earth came with NO instruction manual. For all I know we're meant to FK sheep. Why isn't there public sex in local parks? We eat together. We play football together. A half million show up for the Indy 500. So why not sex in a big pile at the mall? Some of the people I've seen eating at Long John Silvers......surely watching them have sex would be less gross.

Who knows what we're supposed to do? I figure killings wrong. I'm not too keen on child FK'ing either....but whose to say? What if there are no rules except that you're born and one day will die. Whose to say? For every Bible there is an off brand book that purports to be the truth and the way. Whose to say it's wrong? Just cause we're white and American.......doesn't make us kings of the universe.

There are just too many questions without answers. So I let everyone make up their own mind. The cops and judges help people without good sense and I'm for that to a degree. But no one should tell anyone who they should or shouldn't love. The late, apply named Mrs. Loving was right when she said the only deal between her and her husband was that they were in love. Their lifetime together proves she wasn't lying. Forget about sex and loving and marriage....worry bout the Republican criminals we pay to ruin the planet! On days like this I wish I was gay!

DBI, I think I love you.........

Hey Wes, wasn't that you I saw on the disco dance floor at Backstreet the other night having your way with all the men, or was it them having their way with you. Bad Boi!
DBI - you can do much better than David Sanders - he's in a perpetual bad hair day!

Wow, I do not remember the last time my wife went to a good disco. She used to be a belly dancer and man she could move those curves. And yes I was a bad boy. Hopefully; She can say that I am not the man I used to be.

don't we still find it funny that mass has the lowest divorce rate in the country while the so called evangelical states, republican based like mississippi, alabama, oklahoma ect. have the highest. does this say something about our brothers and sisters in that community? evidently the weird and queer can stay together better than the straight rednecks. maybe the fact that the better educated people in the liberal areas can stay together better. it is better to read and discuss intelligent things than correct the spelling on each others tattoos and throw beer cans at the family hound.

I am so glad to know that I don't have to account for anything I have done to any of you people. The bible says that gay relationships is wrong, that is true. HOWEVER, it also says: JUDGE NOT lest YE be judged. It is not my place, nor yours to judge gays, it is God's place to judge them when their time here is over. If this is how they choose to spend their time on earth and it makes them happy, then that is fine with me. I only have to answer and account for myself before God so I am not going to judge them and have to answer for that. It's up to you of course, but if you believe in God, you might want to examine your motives and think about that.

I do love it so when people want to cherry pick the Bible.

"JUDGE NOT lest YE be judged"
I think this is the verse you are referring to. Mt 7v1-2:
JUDGE not, that ye be not JUDGEd.
Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye JUDGE, ye shall be JUDGEd: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Now look at 1Cor. 6v2 -5
Do ye not know that the saints shall JUDGE the world? and if the world shall be JUDGEd by you, are ye unworthy to JUDGE the smallest matters?
Know ye not that we shall JUDGE angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to JUDGE who are least esteemed in the church.
I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to JUDGE between his brethren?

Judging an act that is wrong is not the same as condemning the man or woman committing the act. But it is GOD's of say ing that that person needs to change before it is too late. And as you have said "the bible says that gay relationships is wrong."

"If this is how they choose to spend their time on earth and it makes them happy, then that is fine with me. I only have to answer and account for myself before God so I am not going to judge them and have to answer for that."

Wrong again:
Eze. 33 says it all
33v7-8
So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

"It's up to you of course, but if you believe in God, you might want to examine your motives and think about that."

I have no desire to see any one; even my worst enemy, spend eternity in hell or the lake of fire.

don't we still find it funny that mass has the lowest divorce rate in the country while the so called evangelical states, republican based like mississippi, alabama, oklahoma ect. have the highest. does this say something about our brothers and sisters in that community? evidently the weird and queer can stay together better than the straight rednecks. maybe the fact that the better educated people in the liberal areas can stay together better. it is better to read and discuss intelligent things than correct the spelling on each others tattoos and throw beer cans at the family hound.

Did you not read the article a few months back about the pioneer partners in same sex marriage that got a divorce.

"divorce rate"?

I didn't know that these places allowed same sex marriages. If they do not, then may be the reason we do not hear so much about their split ups is because their is no public record of it happening.

"evidently the weird and queer can stay together better than the straight rednecks"

Zonker; aren't you the statistician here, put up the numbers if you have them. Otherwise there is no proof of your assertion.

Wes - Google "gay divorce rates" and click on any sight that doesn't have a fundie GOP blog roll.

zonker speaks the truth

"I do love it so when people want to cherry pick the Bible."
Posted by: Wes

Are you fu#king kidding me?

Wes, do you ever do any work on Sunday? Mow the lawn, help with the dishes, wash the truck? Okay, maybe you don't do any work of any kind on any Sunday ever. Have you ever stopped off for a gallon of milk on a Sunday? Do you have the Sunday paper delivered to your door? Ever topped off the ol' gas tank on a Sunday? If so, you are causing your brother to work on the sabbath.

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 31:14

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 31:15

Six days shall work bedone, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. -- Exodus 35:2

More cherries for you, or have you had enough?

Damn. Zonker - can you throw a beer can at his ass.

Wes.....just in my *straight baptist family.* My parents divorced; mom once, dad 3 times....
aunt once, married a divorced man, me, once married a divorced man, #2 son twice, #2
daughter, twice, married 3rd time to baptist divorced man, most all my cousins, one married
over 30 years.
You are living on another planet if you think marriage between straights is forever.
Women don't have to endure abuse or second class anymore............
oh, I forgot all my half brothers and twin sisters, all, but one, divorced.
Still think Gays split up more than *normal* people???????

Ah, Wes, using the old God has a concentration camp in the afterlife argument. I'm sure he'll hire Bush and Cheney to run the eternity of torture and pain. I thought we fought a world war to rid this planet of people who set up such places.
In comparison to Hell, Nazi death camps are romps in the park. I certainly can understand why some demented hermit could think up such stuff while his noggin gets baked out in the desert. What I still don't understand is why so many people have been suckered by it since because it has to be the most vile and vicious idea ever applied to anyone's deity. To expect people to worship and fear you, to order your enemies placed in a camp, and to have millions tortured and put to death because they don't believe in you -- Stalin, Hitler, and hundreds of other tingods have tried this throughout history. Why should we think God is different from them when he practices the same plan?
It's obvious that Wes goes to the wrong church. He needs to pay a visit to the Landover Baptist Church ("Where the Worthwhile Worship") by clicking on my name.

"Wes - Google "gay divorce rates" and click on any sight that doesn't have a fundie GOP blog roll.

zonker speaks the truth"

This is Zonker's statement that guided my previous answer.
"maybe the fact that the better educated people in the liberal areas can stay together better"

2. Massachusetts Gay Divorce Gay couples began seeking gay divorce around seven months after same sex marriages were legalized in Massachusetts. The concept of gay divorce was so unprecedented in the state that couples had to fill out obsolete forms that still read "husband" and "wife." The first gay divorce case in Suffolk County, which includes Boston, was filed a male couple who married five days after same sex marriage was legalized. The couple, a 33-year-old religious educator from Boston and a 39-year-old professor, were based in Washington. The couple cited that their relationship had 'irretrievably broken down' as the reason for divorce, stating that their interests had grown in different directions. The settlement focused on custody of their three cats, who will live exclusively with the professor. As part of the settlement the professor agreed to provide his ex-husband with regular updates on the cats 'in recognition of the emotional hardship of such relinquishment'. Hampshire County reported a divorce filing within two months of the first gay weddings. The state's largest county, Middlesex County, had its first gay divorce three months into the legalization, involving a 38-year-old and a 27-year-old. The older partner cited 'cruel and abusive treatment' as the reason for the break-up.

http://www.loveandpride.com/InformationCenter/Tips.aspx?categoryId=8

Sounds like a happy family to me.

Where are the numbers that prove anything about what you posted wes? It's all anecdotal evidence.

Been talking to any snakes lately? Hearing voices in the plants and flowers? Or just hearing voices like Bush does?

We won't know statistically satisfying information about relative divorce rates between same-sex and different-sex marriages until there've been enough same-sex marriages in enough states for a long enough time to tell.

That the first gay couple to marry in Massachusetts got divorced is one data point. That doesn't tell us anything about what most gay couples will do. The first to do anything are, by definition, unusual.

What I expect to happen is that, as people see that the world doesn't end, gay marriage is legalized in many states. Those where it isn't legal will have to give full faith and credence (I think I've got that correct) to the marriages of gay couples married elsewhere who move into their states. Eventually, the rates for gay marriage and divorce will stabilize and will track but not match the rates for straight marriage.

Probably the rates will be different. Which way? Who knows? Experiment and find out.

And you know what? It doesn't matter.

The point of marriage isn't to stay together. It's to have a happy family life, turn out good children (if you choose to have them), team up to support older family members on both sides, conserve capital, have companionship, all those good things.

Marriage and divorce rates, for gay and straight alike, don't tell us how well marriages serve those purposes.

I'm afraid the news only gets worse. The real group that's in trouble that we don't know about are those hardcore Christian fundamentalists!! Click on name and here are some excerpts:

A recent study by the Barna Research Group throws extreme doubt on these estimates. Barna released the results of their poll about divorce on 1999-DEC-21. 1 They had interviewed 3,854 adults from the 48 contiguous states. The margin of error is ±2 percentage points. The survey found:

11% of the adult population is currently divorced.
25% of adults have had at least one divorce during their lifetime.
Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.

George Barna, president and founder of Barna Research Group, commented:

"While it may be alarming to discover that born again Christians are more likely than others to experience a divorce, that pattern has been in place for quite some time. Even more disturbing, perhaps, is that when those individuals experience a divorce many of them feel their community of faith provides rejection rather than support and healing. But the research also raises questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families. The ultimate responsibility for a marriage belongs to the husband and wife, but the high incidence of divorce within the Christian community challenges the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriages."

Barna's results verified findings of earlier polls: that conservative Protestant Christians, on average, have the highest divorce rate, while mainline Christians have a much lower rate. They found some new information as well: that atheists and agnostics have the lowest divorce rate of all. George Barna commented that the results raise "questions regarding the effectiveness of how churches minister to families." The data challenge "the idea that churches provide truly practical and life-changing support for marriage."

Donald Hughes, author of The Divorce Reality, said:

"In the churches, people have a superstitious view that Christianity will keep them from divorce, but they are subject to the same problems as everyone else, and they include a lack of relationship skills. ...Just being born again is not a rabbit's foot."

Hughes claim that 90% of divorces among born-again couples occur after they have been "saved."

Jake,

I'm not so sure that's bad news. Could it be that one or the other partner experiences growth after marriage--say, learning to reject the concept of original sin or eternal damnation--and that growth leads to divorce? Does the study tell us about causes?

The last bit--"Hughes claim that 90% of divorces among born-again couples occur after they have been 'saved'."--probably doesn't tell us all that much about the church and its ministry, is my guess. I think it's likelier that desperate people get born again in an effort to save a doomed marriage, and that's reflected in these figures. That could be a failing in ministry, but maybe it's better interpreted as a failing in pastoral premarital counseling. If only preachers could learn to say "no"!

A poster said --- Marriage and divorce rates, for gay and straight alike, don't tell us how well marriages serve those purposes.

Good point! Perhaps normal as far as the animal kingdom goes and isn't that the only ingredient (normalcy) necessary for a well balanced society? Once you interject one religious opinion into the discussion all hell breaks loose.

I think Abraham Lincoln said it best "The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."

Normalcy will never happen until society can find a way to suppress/delete mixing the 5,000 or so differing opinions from some 5,000 organized and recognized religions that never fail to bring little substance but lots of division unrest and hate to bare.

Normalcy is also doing ones part to support, as appose to be dependent on, the overall well being of society as a whole. Which bring to mind that when a couple elects to have 18 kids is a society un normal decision. Besides they would not have to pay one dime of federal tax until their income exceeds $80,000.
Although they support what they believe to be Christian values they don't, as I see it, support and/or contribute to the overall well being of society.

Perhaps society needs to put first things first -- determine what normalcy is then .....

A family with 17 children, that pays no taxes or minimum taxes, will stillo get about $6,300 from the Bush Stimulus Packages. Now that's a G---! D---! if I ever seen one.

I know and you all know that the court has the right to usurp the majorities authority! It does not have! When the majority votes a for a new law then no court has the authority to even discuss it. It is added to the constitution untill such time the people vote it out.
Mariage between two people is not always santified by God... We are not to be unequally yoked together.
That means a christian should never marry an unbeliever or lost person. But, then the bible says if a christian is married to an unsaved person and is happy to stay with them there is no problem for the unbeliver is santified by the one who is a christian.
We Christians are married to Christ when we are saved. He is our first love and anyone else has to take seconds or later.
That is why you all must be born again. Repent and believe on the only name under heaven whereby we must be saved!
If you don't then that's sign you hate God and yourself.
The devil is looking to cause trouble in people's lives.

That is the courts has NO right!

"That is why you all must be born again. Repent and believe on the only name under heaven whereby we must be saved! If you don't then that's sign you hate God and yourself." -chasv

You have to believe in God to hate her.