Gay marriage: A political wedge?
NY Times analysis describes presidential candidates of like mind on gay marriage and says McCain won't make an issue of it. Hmmm.
Interesting is the thought, among some Republicans, that the issue isn't as potent as sometimes supposed. There are undoubtedly localized exceptions to that. Still ...
There is considerable debate whether the marriage issue helped Republican candidates in 2004. And it seems questionable if voters are going to find it compelling this year, at a time when the country is facing a prolonged war, an ailing economy and skyrocketing gasoline prices, the issues that Mr. McCain and the two Democratic candidates are confronting on the campaign trail every day.
“At best, it doesn’t move voters, and at worst for Republicans, it moves them against them,” said Matthew Dowd, who was chief strategist for Mr. Bush’s campaign in 2004. “Not so much on the issue, but it becomes, ‘Why are we having a discussion on this issue when we should talking about things that matter, like the economy, or health care, or the war?’ ”
And there's this ouch-inducing quote in reaction coverage:
Ellen Pontac, who had driven to San Francisco from Davis, about 70 miles northeast, with her partner, Shelly Bailes, to witness the decision, said she was thrilled, but still not totally satisfied.
“This is what should happen, it’s so simple, so clear,” she said. “I used to say that all I want is the same rights that a 14-year-old girl in Arkansas has. We can’t have them federally. But we will.”







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Posted by: Anonymous
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May 16, 2008 11:47 AM
More like a political wedgie.
Posted by: Bill
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May 16, 2008 03:06 PM
What becomes increasingly obvious as the enormous significance of the CA Supreme Court's same-sex marriage ruling Thursday broadsides political consciousness? The now-glaring petty bigotry and pandering behind every lesser position on this issue among other states and all Presidential candidates.
So, Minnesota just passed a bill that "would" allow local governments to offer health and other benefits to same-sex partners. Well la-dee-effing-dah.
Just a month ago that might have been called "progress." Now it's seen for what it is: "throw the dog a bone" rulings by cowardly politicians afraid to stand up to Christian bullies (not Jewish Bullies, not atheist bullies) determined to dictate equality for certain Americans based on agreeing with the bullies' Christianity.
In 1948, California's Supreme Court became first in the nation to overturn the religiously-bigoted nationwide bans against interracial marriage. It took the US Supreme Court 20 years to catch up, in 1967's ruling.
From now on, as in Minnesota, all such incremental rulings along the inevitable road to full same-sex equality in America which were seen just weeks ago as "progressive" now look "regressive" in light of the deeply reasoned judicial logic of the Republican majority CA Supreme Court.
Specifically, the CA ruling explicitly shot down the state AG's only two positions: "tradition" and "will of the people." Both positions are essentially attempts to cloak majority Christian bigotry in some more acceptable political framework.
Rightly, the CA Supreme Court recognized NEITHER argument is valid in certain instances. This is an important ruling against those two "defenses" from the most respected state Supreme Court in the nation, according to most legal scholars.
Centuries of hating Jews/Blacks/The Tribe Down the Street or whatever people your religion tells you to fear and hate (namely, anybody who doesn't believe as you) don't make Constitutional discrimination and genocide based on "tradition" and "will of the people" right or legal.
Quite obviously, if "tradition" and "will of the people" prevailed then black lynchings would still be legal in some states and interracial couples and families would have to be out of town by sundown. And so on.
Religionist political forces are now more exposed and threatened than ever, by Thursday's ruling. Their only two "arguments" for legislating their ignorance and intolerance, fear and hate, on every other American were just demolished by one of the most respected Republican judicial bodies in the country.
No courts, anywhere, are trying to force religionists to conduct same-sex ceremonies or in any way alter their beliefs or practices.
Religionists ARE, tellingly, determined to impose THEIR own bigotry throughout this country, as witness the Air Force Academy's right-wing-Christian-evangelical problem, the successful infiltration of all branches of the military and law enforcement and government with Christian fundamentalist "prayer meeting" strategies and their attendant "scandals" when exposed, etc.
The CA Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage is the biggest threat yet to the subversive onslaught of Christian religionists trying to turn our democratic republic into a theocracy.
"As California goes, so goes the nation."
Abortion and same-sex equality were Christian religionists' two wedge issues. (Both "faith"-based.) Despite massive effort and lots of threats and yelling, theocrats have made but small gains and lost the larger issues. The "will of the people" has slowly but inexorably turned - not just here, but around the world in the West.
If religionists can't overtake and control America NOW, on these two issues, they believe, they never will.
So out come their Big Guns for this election.
Only now their guns look like those of ancient vaudevillians where a flag pops out and unfurls the word "Bang" to the hoots and hollers of the paying audience.
Posted by: NormaBates
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May 17, 2008 04:41 AM
This, from today's Mercury News in Silicon Valley.
"While dozens of states have enacted gay marriage bans, none has done so after a state Supreme Court found a legal right for gay couples to wed.
"We'd be in uncharted legal territory," said Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, a lead attorney in challenging the gay marriage ban.
Posted by: NormaBates
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May 17, 2008 08:14 AM
Those people you are talking about does not know how to handle the situation with homos.
After hundreds of years in america the beast is lifting his head.
Although sex was made to enjoy it was made to reproduce not for homos who lust after their own gender. That is queer and is disgusting to say the least.
You can love a brother or sister without having query relations. sic.
Wake up and live!
Posted by: chasv
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May 17, 2008 10:22 AM
Oh, chasv, chasv. Don't you realize most of us here realize you're actually a liberal who writes what you do simply to stir up the troops and get attention? NOBODY who's actually anti-gay writes as badly and childishly on that topic as you. NOBODY! This time you've gone too far. Your above comment is so studiedly "bad" it's not even believable. Better luck next time.
Posted by: NormaBates
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May 18, 2008 02:16 AM