Arkansas Blog

That's your $11,000,000 trial lawyer getting it done. No dirty work for Mikey. Somebody sing me his praises right quick.

With everyday that passes, Mike Beebe is making Mike Huckabee look like a progressive. Hell, Mike Beebe might get Huckster elected prez in 2012 after people put they're records next to each other. When exactly is Beebe going to clock in and do something?

Could someone explain to me why it's legal and ok for colleges to waive out-of-state tuition for certain border states and not illegals who actually are residences here?

Even if Secure Ark gets its petitions signed and then approved by voters Nov 4, the initiated act can still be amended by the lege-guv.

Gov. Beebe has not seen the last of this. Its gonna come back to him. Hopefully there are other strategies to be employed later in the cycle if petitions are successful.
He did miss the opportunity to incorporate both his
legalistic rhetoric and former guv's moral position. That would have been a more powerful position.

However, Gov. Beebe does have some facts going in his favor:

"Beebe: Checks Of Student Data Show Almost All Legal"
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Dept. of higher education told the universities that if they waived out-of-state tuition for illegals that they would have to do it for everyone in the country. If that's true, then why isn't it also true of border state students? That doesn't add up.

I don't think you can ever go wrong pulling strangers out of a burning building or educating any child you happen to run across......period.

You said it, DBI. And it's a shame that Beebe's making Huck look good on this one. Who'da thought that was possible?

Seems simple to me.

1) Prove you are meet the qualifications of an Arkansas Resident or in-state tuition waiver (i.e. Academic Common Market etx.) and prove you are a U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization and receive an in-state tuition reduction.

2) Fail to prove citizenship, residency, or waiver eligibility and pay higher tuition until your ICE arrest and deportation.

The only moral dilemma is whether the Governor, other elected officals or school officials are wiling to uphold the law and their oath of office or pay the penalties for aiding abetting criminals in breaking the law.

I am more of a rational anarchist than a libertarian or liberal.

". . . a Rational Anarchist believes that concepts such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He/she believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame . . . as blame, guilt, responsibility are matterstaking place inside of human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, she/he knows that not all individuals hold her/his evaluations, so he/she tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world . . . aware his/her efforts will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knopwledge of self-failure. . . . One person is responsible. Always. If H-bombs exist - and they do - one person controls them. In terms of morals there is no such thing as 'state.' Just people. Individuals. Each responsible for their own individual acts . . ."

". . . But you don't seem to want any rules."

"True, but I will accept any rules that you feel are necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too intolerable, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything that I do . . ."

So fellow ArTBloggers I think we all privately follow those last two sentences. "Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time!" But make a decision and stand up for it, those who do not are just marking a space until a REAL person comes along. In this case, Beebe is marking just like Bush/Cheney have been for eight years.

It's too bad George Bush is oblivious of being responsible for their own individual acts . . . Like Huckabeen! Time will tell about Beebe.

Cuba educates and provides health care for damn near everyone... Our Democracy should be able to match or beat those standards.

That's an interesting concept, doc, but like libertarianism it falls apart in the real world. Organizations can collectively come to decisions or take actions that not one person in that organization would make or take on their own.

That, applied to risk, is even part of the rationale for the modern corporation, which has more rights and less responsibilities than any individual stockholder or manager.

In the case of immigrants, for example, it's quite easy for the administrative machine to be much more cruel than any person actually involved.

The alternative argument would state that there was something innately wrong with each and every person who chose to live under the Nazi state and carry out their orders.

It wasn't their individual morality that told them to kill Jews; it was the morality of the state and our genetic or collective unconscious tendency to act differently in mobs and other organizations that are greater than the sum of the parts.

doc.. are those rational anarchist words from Utah Phillips?

re: "an interesting concept, doc, but like libertarianism it falls apart in the real world"

I'd bet my life that you have more than once uttered "I'll not throw away my vote."
I find myself cool and indifferent in mobs.

Cuba educates and provides health care for damn near everyone... Our Democracy should be able to match or beat those standards.-Posted by: Eureka Springs, AR
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Eureka:
Just curious-

How good is Cuban health care? Would you go there for a little heart repair? Can you get quality treatment right now when you need it immediately?

How good is Cuban education? Are they generating scholars and equipping their people for professional positions or highly technical occupations?

What living conditions are imposed by the government to compensate for this "Free healthcare" and "Free education"? Are you willing to accept those living conditions in exchange for these "free" services?

I don't think you can ever go wrong . . .educating any child you happen to run across. -Posted by: Deathbyinches
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But we can go wrong by not demanding a responsible action from the parents of the child. The parents should be charged to register and begin the legalization process immediately. . . or we promptly return you to your country of origin . . . with your child.

Don, Cuban health care has a world reputation for being good. I know everyone likes to say ours is the best in the world, but it's just not. Thanks to our insurance system, ours is one of the most bureacractic in the world.

Eureka,

Nope, Robert A. Heinlein.

Roderick,

It still comes down to one person in every case and that person makes a choice based on their own morallity and then lives with it. The key is in the last part ". . . I will accept any rules that you feel are necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too intolerable, I break them. . . . I alone am morally responsible for everything that I do . . ."

I doubt there is anyone who hasn't jaywalked, pushed the law a little far on their taxes, gone over the speed limit a little, tried a beer under age , tried some cannabis sativa and actually inhaled, or snorted some blow and actually wasn't too drunk to remember it, sold arms to Iranians to free Hezobollah hostages then claimed ignorance due to civility, of sold arms to Iranians to circumvent a law passage by congress . . . ever voted for a crook by mistake and they are responsible no matter how much they try to pass the blame.

Am I responsible for every idiot thing the Bush/Cheney administration has done. Not on your tintype since I have opposed almost every one, but I am responsible for Nixon's second term, I voted for him to my deep regret. And I have never uttered "I'll not throw away my vote."

As I said ". . . make a decision and stand up for it, those who do not are just marking a space until a REAL person comes along." I am not just marking a space, I may make a wrong decision, but I'll loudly stand-up for it and do the time for any law I decide to ignore.