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In the news: the Duggars

Another Arkie angle in today's newspapers: A feature in the NY Times magazine on reality shows about big families and websites that talk about them includes -- naturally -- Tontitown, Ark.'s Duggar clan -- mom and pop and 17 kids and one more on the way. It's a friendly piece for the most part.

True, sweet-natured Michelle advocates a program of deference to Jim Bob’s authority, though she’ll draw the line when she sees fit. (When Jim Bob asked her to brandish for the cameras a positive pregnancy test, presumably still stained with her urine, she declined.) Together, it seems, they have built a family like a company. Online, you can find the Duggars’ recipes, marvel at their demanding daily schedule and study their home-schooling curriculum. Furthermore, on the Duggars’ site you can “Welcome Jennifer!” (No. 17), and on the Web site for Discovery Health, which produces the Duggar-related shows and specials, you can propose names for her imminent sibling in a survey called “Pick a Name for Baby No. 18.”

PS -- Sure it's their business what size family they choose. But, come on. When you market your life choices to a cable TV channel you surely can't expect people not to comment.

Comments

What news indeed!
Meanwhile what shall we call the 100 MILLION plus children who starved to death during the past
15 years, mostly due to overpopulation. I wonder if anyone has a ratio for high consumption Americans, something that can reveal how many children will starve as a result of one more being born in America?

Overpopulation isn't killing anybody, poor distribution of resources is.

ONLY THEIRS AND GOD'S BUSINESS. GREAT FAMILY, THEY ARE SELF SUFFICIENT, AND THE KIDS WILL BE READY FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND THE LIVES THEY LIVE AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE TAUGHT TO HELP.
IT NEVER HURTS FOR EVERYONE TO LEARN TO ASSIST ANOTHER. BOYS AND GIRLS SHOULD LEARN BOTH ROLES. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU WILL BE PUT IN A POSITION OF LIFE OR DEATH, JUST BY WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT AND LEARNED AT YOUR PARENTS WISE COUNSELING. GOOD FOR THEM. MAKES ME PROUD TO KNOW THERE ARE SOME LIKE THEM AROUND STILL. THE LORD IS SMILING I AM SURE (JUST A FEELING, HE HAS NOT APPEARED TO ME NOR HAVE I HAD A VISION, FOR ALL YOU RABID LEFTIES OUT THERE) IT MADE ME FEEL BETTER KNOWING HOW THEY LIVE AND FUNCTION. OUR SCHOOLS COULD TAKE LESSONS FROM THEM.
HAPPY 18
WAY TO GO DUGGARS.

The Duggars are attention whores. Nothing more, nothing less.

I used to wonder how they handled all those kids and then I watched their TV show and found out. Simply, the older kids take care of the younger ones. The mom can keep cranking them out. Why not? She's not doing the work. The teenagers are.

Exactly Moxie. I wonder how much of eLwood's resources go to those starving children he's so worried about?

They can have as many children as they can take care of. That's their business, BUT they shouldn't be getting a huge child tax credit for all of them. Neither should anyone esle as far as that goes though.

I continue to be appalled by the Duggars, they actually have a board in the house [do you actually think they paid for it?] where the kids schedule "Mommy Time" Ugh! Ugh!

Can't we just all agree that the Duggars humiliate this state? They feed into the stereotype that Arkansas is only full of ignorant hillbillies that can do nothing more than pop out kids every nine months because we're too stupid to use birth control. I really wish they would move to another state so we wouldn't have to claim them. They're disgusting!!!!!

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that LargeAss is chasv's Dad...

Or, long-time companion.

If they can afford it, it is none of my business. It is weirder than hell but it is none of my business. Even if they try to rub my nose in it.

I tip my tin foil hat to both Mike Huckabee and the Duggars! They both found a way to whore themselves out in such a fashion as to gain the approval of the Christofascists like chasv and LARGEASS. That is threading that ole needle to heaven as artfully as possible! I'm tipping my tin to ya's.

Huckabuck runs for Prez in a year when Jesus H. Christ couldn't win on the Republican ticket. He cleans out the pockets of the Lambs to finance a campaign he knows he'll never win. It makes him richer and famous and now he sitting on the right hand of the Rupert on Fox News. That is some fine whoring ex-Governor! Fine whoring indeed!

Sweet-natured Michelle cuts out the middle man and hones closer to the bone by actually making a fortune by spreading her legs! Which is of course the motivation behind all the whores in history. Bed em, spread em, and count the cash. That is some fine whoring Michelle! Fine whoring indeed. and Jim Bob waving the piss stick for all to see is just icing on her cake.

The Discovery Channel pays for their giant dormitory house, dim but sweet Christians flood them with Pampers, toys and food. The Duggar Family website is seeing almost as many hits as Michelle's cervix and new FK'ing brings more new fun Duggar Family Online Games! If number 18 is a boy I hear they'll auction off the foreskin during a Discovery Special! This is the finest of fine art whoring going on right before our eyes. And I'm tipping my foil hat to the Duggars..tip tip tip....they have outsmarted the rest of the nation....they're sitting on hemorrhoid pads and Easy Street and all they had to do was FK like bunnies and build an organization that's the envy of Amway! Good whoring indeed!

But I would like to ask my friend LARGEASS if he would be so overjoyed if Michelle Duggar was a black woman? Do you personally, in your heart, believe God wants a black couple to take the Duggar's lead and start spilling out babies every 9.4 months in hopes of beating the Duggars to number 20 and therefore getting a Discovery House of their very own? Will you, LARGE, pray for Terreek and Mamie with all your strength as Mamie starts populating Arkansas with dozens of little black babies?

I'm going to go spill my seed on the ground for a while, I'll look for your reply when I gets back. Lordy....I wasted a fortune masturbating all these years and the only winner is Kimberly-Clark. I wish I was as smart as the Huckabees and the Duggars.........tip tip tip tip tip!

I wish everyone would quit downing the Duggars. I think it's so wouderful that they can have that many childern, no one has the right to judge another persons way of life. As for the mom, I think she does a lot more than people give her credit for. We could all stand to learn a lesson from them. It seems to me that they have their priorities in order, they don't pay attention to worldly things like the rest of us do. God bless the the Duggars, keep up what you are doing.

"I think it's so wouderful that they can have that many childern, no one has the right to judge another persons way of life."

Well, you just judged their way of life as "wouderful." What's so "wouderful" about it?

Damn, I probably have not spent 10 minutes of my life thinking about how many kids other people should have, but it seems pretty excessive to have 18 in a twenty year period of time. However, my great grandmother had 11 children in a thirty two year span, but of course that was long before birth control was available, let alone tax credits. And,
I tip, tip, tip, tip my hat to DBI for one of the funniest posts I've ever read.
What's happened to Jazzy???????? Come back, friend.......fellow clone/ LOL

A few years ago Katherine Dunn wrote a fine novel about a carnival couple that decide to raise their own troupe of freaks. Geek Love. Check it out. Its surprisingly sensitive and preceeds the Duggars reality TV roadshow. Of course the Duggars don't have any kids named Aqua Boy. That we know.

We have a lot of things more important to worry about before we get down to the world view Mrs. Duggar gets looking between her legs as they flap in the air. I will agree my wife has a whole whole whole lot to learn from Michelle Duggar. Like learning to shut up and get in the bedroom! Drop every time I even look at you woman! And fun stuff like that!


(Hon, if you read this...I didn't even post it, it was that damn hugh mann again stealing my login and typing a bunch of crap just to get me in trouble....I really don't care if we have sex or not cause you're so wonderful to live with and it's an honor just to share the same room with you at night cause you look just like an angel when yer sleeping and I am not worthy to besmirch you with my bodily fluids even if I get a message from the Lord to nail you like a Mongol. That's probably that damn hugh mann too!)

Love when people make flat statements completely untethered to facts. Not.

"Overpopulation isn't killing anybody, poor distribution of resources is." Moxiemoron is a moron indeed if he thinks this sheep-like right-wing statement is true. Indeed, the Arkansas D-G had a lengthy article on this very topic in today's (Sunday's) paper.

Fact: Yes, Moxiemoron (LOVING the "oxymoron" pun, BTW), overpopuation lies at the heart of many if not all of earth's problems. The problem is ongoing.

Earth's resources simply cannot sustain an infinitely expanding human population.

To say so is stupid and insulting.

Wars, epidemics, "natural disasters" (created in many cases by human behavior) will help take care of the "problem" by wiping out millions of lives periodically.

Or there's another, more humane choice we can make: educating ourselves about the population problem, our earth's sustainable resources, international politics, religion, birth control.

You think ANY home-schooled kid's getting THAT education in their kitchen? (Sure, some home-schooled enter Yale. Exceptions prove the rule.)

Another preposterous statement from this Duggar thread: "No one has the right to judge another persons [sic] way of life."

Yes, Thunderangel, we do have the right. And we all do it, all day, every day. We not only judge figures like Hitler and Stalin and the Pope and the President, we judge each other constantly. "He's nice, she's mean, they're religionists, they're atheists, they're gay, they're white, they're black . . . ." It's endless judging and almost unconscious, it's so pervasive.

What's important is whether our judgments are based on facts . . . or distortions, misinformation and lies.

No one's born bigoted or hating anybody. They have to be taught. Religion is the single largest dispenser of distortions, misinformation and lies . . . and fear, hatred and death . . . the world has ever known, if you know religion's facts and history.

Generally, I've experienced (and judged) that people who make inaccurate, unfactual, fearful, bigoted, uninformed, unthinking and hateful statements are religious, or profess to be. Those who stay objectively informed and make well-reasoned statements and political choices are not generally religious, though they may believe in God or a universal power.

Religionists' numbers are greater in the South than elsewhere, which is responsible for the South's continuing reputation for ignorance and bigotry worldwide (whether deserved or not. And if you've read newspapers in the last, oh, 200 years, it is).

We've been through the Duggars before on this blog. That they are "freaks" is their sole source of public fascination (and, apparently, quite a bit of income and perks). They are not the norm, in other words.

If their 18 home-schooled children follow their parents' leads and each have another 18 children, in four generations the Duggar family will add nearly 2 million people to earth's population. Simple math.

I don't pretend to know the psychology behind the Duggar's reproductive choices. But that doesn't stop me from asking obvious questions and seeking factual information. Thus forming opinions and "judging," in other words.

I wonder, for instance, what leads a couple to decide they'd rather potentially ADD 2 million people to earth's population in a few generations, rather than adopting any of the millions of already born children around the world who would thrive in a loving family, instead of dying.

It's the Duggar's choice, of course. And it doesn't make me "hate" them or their offspring at all. I just observe choices and actions. That's not hard.

"Honey, instead of adopting, oh, 16 orphans who could really benefit from being raised by our loving family and our two natural children, let's forget all about those desperately needy kids and keep you pregnant for 18 years in a row and populate our own Duggaropolis in four generations. Let's make THAT choice! Whaddaya say, honey?"

"You're the man, sugar!"

Say what you will about Angelina and Brad, for instance. I personally respect that Hollywood couple's choices and behaviors regarding children, adoption and earth's population, over the Duggars'.

Yeah, that's a judgment based on my acquired information about people's choices and behavior.

It doesn't matter much, what people say. Just observe their actions -- their choices and behaviors. And ask, "Why would this person choose to behave THIS way and not THAT?" The question leads you to investigate the answers. Once you've found the facts, you've got informed understanding.

All I can do is look at one couple who chooses to adopt more already existing children than they produce, worldwide and of different races . . . and another couple who chooses instead of adoption to bring a "freakish" number of children into the world who will exponentially increase global population, thus adding to one of our major problems rather than perhaps helping solve it through education about birth control and adoption.

Of course, my DEEPEST question is which ones of the Duggar kids are gay or lesbian (statistically) and when will THAT come out and will they kick them out of the family or sort of embrace them and their adopted or artificially inseminated kid, whilst keeping them out of photo-ops and not letting them legally marry, like Dick and Lynne Cheney?

Somehow, my intuition tells me the Duggars AREN'T pro-same-sex-marriage.

Somehow, my intuition tells me the Duggers are religious bigots who vote to impose their narrow beliefs and experience on the rest of the big, wide, diverse world.

Billy Graham on Viagra in the name of God.

I mean, don't many gay and lesbian couples who marry or enter legal civil unions ADOPT, since they can't reproduce? And haven't facts shown that adult children of such couples are just as loved and "normal" as children of heterosexual unions? (Yes and yes.)

So many choices! All based on judgments. All day every day.

Judgments based on secondhand lies or firsthand facts?

Your choice, Hogs.


LargeAss, 86 the ALL-CAPS sweetie?

Norma basically hit it on the head about a statisical G/L being in the Duggar mist. There's probably a TG or two in the bunch also. Look for the usual "Love the Sinner, hate the Sin" spin when that happens.

"...It seems to me that they have their priorities in order, they don't pay attention to worldly things like the rest of us do."--thunderangel

Oh...you mean they don't pay attention to all that cash/those prizes Discovery et al give em for selling their story to the world.


Well I'm judging the backwards twits, judging em as the epitome of what nutty greedy so-called Christians will do to the world...again. My god...scheduling mommy time...living off whoring your children/family out to Discovery and out to every right-wing nut who wants to keep his wife pregnant and get some one else to support his fucking. Some family values there...HA HA.

And, I'd argue that the Duggar crap is fucked up whether the world needed populating or whether the world is overrun with too many humans. Because of THEIR gross commercialization of their screwing (bet we can figure out Michelle's prime ovulation time...now that's gross), children and so-called Christian lifestyle, Michelle and Jim Bob deserve all the judging we can heap on their baby-making lives.

There is no way a black family would've been given the same pass as the Duggars...much less the blessings...NO WAY!!

One of your funniest/best, DBI...takes a rare person to make the Duggar crap funny and entertaining. Thank you very much!!

(I figured you'd put forward a different attitude, sex-wise, if wifey was reading...ha!)

The following quotes from Norma Bates:

"(LOVING the "oxymoron" pun, BTW)"

Thanks! I like it too. Yours is stupid though.

"Earth's resources simply cannot sustain an infinitely expanding human population."

True dat. Thankfully we don't have an infinitely expanding population.

"To say so is stupid and insulting."

Or would be if I'd said it.

"Or there's another, more humane choice we can make: educating ourselves about the population problem, our earth's sustainable resources, international politics, religion, birth control."

Great idea! I love birth control. What was the counter choice I was proposing, btw? May I suggest you start with a little light reading on population and sustainable resources? We've come a long way from the days of predicting mass famine and starvation for the US before 1999.

"What's important is whether our judgments are based on facts . . . or distortions, misinformation and lies.... Judgments based on secondhand lies or firsthand facts?"

You nailed it. But then were you trying to be ironic with the litany of reasons why you were judging the Duggars? There's not a firsthand fact among them. Unless you consider your "intuition" to be first hand fact.

"If their 18 home-schooled children follow their parents' leads and each have another 18 children, in four generations the Duggar family will add nearly 2 million people to earth's population. Simple math."

Yep, simple straw man math. Hey, I've got one! If every kid followed the lead of couples who choose not to have kids, the world's population would be zero in a little over 100 years.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that LargeAss is chasv's Dad...<<<

I think it's the other way around. LA still uses the juvenile all caps and childish
exaggerations. chasv just hammers away on his mono theme of "queers" and the
need for personal salvation. Old guys get that way just before Alzheimer's becomes
diagnosed.

Duggaropolis

I love it!

George Carlin, the Comedian, Is Dead at 71

George Carlin, the Grammy-Award winning standup comedian and
actor who was hailed for his irreverent social commentary,
poignant observations of the absurdities of everyday life and
language, and groundbreaking routines like "Seven Words You
Can Never Use on Television," died in Los Angeles on Sunday
according to his publicist Jeff Abraham. He was 71.

Has anyone ever seen DBI & hugh mann in the same picture? Max: time to ban anyone USING ALL CAPS!!

I too, cannot wait until the GLBT Duggars make the scene...delicious.

And zelda rules!
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Y'all quit blaming me for stuff I didn't have anything to do with. I stay in enough trouble on my own.

Now Norma, I do agree with just about all your statements here, perhaps especially with this one:

"Generally, I've experienced (and judged) that people who make inaccurate, unfactual, fearful, bigoted, uninformed, unthinking and hateful statements are religious, or profess to be."

Just don't take that too far and misjudge statements which at their heart are not bigoted or hateful, and which you presume (incorrectly) are driven by religion. (See "Marriage pioneer dies" thread from May '08.)

Does that man have a job? you know, a real 8-5 job, not providing reality tv for the Discovery channel.

I honestly dont see how that poor woman's body has withstood all this childbearing. I think somehow 18 chirren might be a little hard on a body, as would being pregnant for most of the past 20 years. at some point, if I tried that, Im afraid my ankles would just blow up and explode, probably sending foot particles right straight up the interstate to DBI's house.

DBI, if you find the toe with the ring on it, NO you may not keep it. Kindly bring it to me and we'll show that on our next TV special.

seriously, though, does jim bob have a job? Someone has to pay for all that food! I think we should all pitch in and send them a goat for Christmas. You know, like Heifer Project, only keeping it in arkansas this time.

DBI, MY LITTLE ANATHEMA, THE ECHOES OF YOUR BLASPHEMY RING FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA.
FIRST. METHINKS MAD MAXX WOULD FIRSTLY EXPEL YOUR RACIST, AMORAL, CACA SELF FROM THIS BLOG BEFORE MY BENIGN CAPS.

I KNEW THE FIRST TIME I WROTE IT, YOU WERE WUSSY WHIPPED. AND INDEED YOU ARE. POOR HUGH MANN. YOU , DBI, ARE THE WHITE TRASH THOSE NY EDITORIALS TALK ABOUT. BET KIMBERLY CLARK
IS SO PROUD OF YOUR ENDORSEMENT. YOU FILTHY SCUM BAG. I KNOW. MAGIC TO YOUR EARS.
REALLY DONT CARE WHETHER SOMEONE IS WHITE, BLACK, GREEN , YELLOW OR BLUE. THEY CAN HAVE AS MANY KIDS AS THEY WANT. ITS NOT MY BUSINESS, NOR YOURS. NOR ANYONE ELSE'S ITS THEIRS AND GOD'S.
THEY HAPPEN TO TAKE CARE OF THEM SELVES. THE DUGGARS. HE IS IN REAL ESTATE. THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL DID NOT PAY FOR THE HOUSE. SORRY, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.

AND I MIGHT ALSO RIGHTLY ASSUME THAT YOU HAD NO ROLE WHATEVER IN RAISING YOUR PROGENY. HAD TO BE YOUR WIFE, THAT YOU ARE RIGHTLY SCARED OF. MOST PIGS ARE SCARED OF SOMETHING GUESS JON AND KATE PLUS 8 DONT COUNT IN THE REPRODUCTIVE HARRASSMENT YOU SPEW. WHO CARES IF THEY ARE BLACK OR WHITE. YOU AND YOUR BACTERIAL CLONES ARE SUCH RACIST PIGS. BET YOU ARE FOR OBAMA., BETCHA., LETS SEEE, HE IS ALL BLACK, RIGHT, NOT. WHO GIVES A RATS PASS WHAT COLOR SOMONE IS.. YOU ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST RACISTS I HAVE EVER KNOWN I THINK. I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH ASIANS AND BLACKS GROWING UP. BOUT THE TIME CENTRAL HIGH WAS COOKING HOT. WE DIDNT KNOW WHAT ALL THE FUSS WAS ABOUT..
GOTTA GO GET A PEPPERMINT, OR SOME GINGER. SOMETHING FOR THE NAUSEA THAT SWEPT OVER ME, AFTER READING YOUR EVIL DIATRIBES. AND SO MANY ON THIS BLOG SEEM TO ENJOY AND AGREE WITH YOU.. HOW PITIFUL. AM PRAYING DAILY FOR ALL OF YOU AND ME TOO.
BY THE WAY. WHEN YOU CANNOT SEE VERY WELL YOU TYPE IN CAPS. HOW WONDERFUL THAT YOU ARE IN PERFECT HEALTH. GOD BLESS YOU CHILD.

DBI, MY LITTLE ANATHEMA, THE ECHOES OF YOUR BLASPHEMY RING FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA.
FIRST. METHINKS MAD MAXX WOULD FIRSTLY EXPEL YOUR RACIST, AMORAL, CACA SELF FROM THIS BLOG BEFORE MY BENIGN CAPS.

I KNEW THE FIRST TIME I WROTE IT, YOU WERE WUSSY WHIPPED. AND INDEED YOU ARE. POOR HUGH MANN. YOU , DBI, ARE THE WHITE TRASH THOSE NY EDITORIALS TALK ABOUT. BET KIMBERLY CLARK
IS SO PROUD OF YOUR ENDORSEMENT. YOU FILTHY SCUM BAG. I KNOW. MAGIC TO YOUR EARS.
REALLY DONT CARE WHETHER SOMEONE IS WHITE, BLACK, GREEN , YELLOW OR BLUE. THEY CAN HAVE AS MANY KIDS AS THEY WANT. ITS NOT MY BUSINESS, NOR YOURS. NOR ANYONE ELSE'S ITS THEIRS AND GOD'S.
THEY HAPPEN TO TAKE CARE OF THEM SELVES. THE DUGGARS. HE IS IN REAL ESTATE. THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL DID NOT PAY FOR THE HOUSE. SORRY, I HAPPEN TO KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.

AND I MIGHT ALSO RIGHTLY ASSUME THAT YOU HAD NO ROLE WHATEVER IN RAISING YOUR PROGENY. HAD TO BE YOUR WIFE, THAT YOU ARE RIGHTLY SCARED OF. MOST PIGS ARE SCARED OF SOMETHING GUESS JON AND KATE PLUS 8 DONT COUNT IN THE REPRODUCTIVE HARRASSMENT YOU SPEW. WHO CARES IF THEY ARE BLACK OR WHITE. YOU AND YOUR BACTERIAL CLONES ARE SUCH RACIST PIGS. BET YOU ARE FOR OBAMA., BETCHA., LETS SEEE, HE IS ALL BLACK, RIGHT, NOT. WHO GIVES A RATS PASS WHAT COLOR SOMONE IS.. YOU ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST RACISTS I HAVE EVER KNOWN I THINK. I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH ASIANS AND BLACKS GROWING UP. BOUT THE TIME CENTRAL HIGH WAS COOKING HOT. WE DIDNT KNOW WHAT ALL THE FUSS WAS ABOUT..
GOTTA GO GET A PEPPERMINT, OR SOME GINGER. SOMETHING FOR THE NAUSEA THAT SWEPT OVER ME, AFTER READING YOUR EVIL DIATRIBES. AND SO MANY ON THIS BLOG SEEM TO ENJOY AND AGREE WITH YOU.. HOW PITIFUL. AM PRAYING DAILY FOR ALL OF YOU AND ME TOO.
BY THE WAY. WHEN YOU CANNOT SEE VERY WELL YOU TYPE IN CAPS. HOW WONDERFUL THAT YOU ARE IN PERFECT HEALTH. GOD BLESS YOU CHILD.

Darlings, ChasV has finally figured out how to register here with a new nick (LargeAss) and new gimmick (annoying UPPERCASE). That's all.

Same writing style, same strident nothings, same jolly attempts to get a rise out of us bloggers and stir up some MUCH-NEEDED ATTENTION for himself.

The regulars here aren't taken in and just ignore him. Newbies might be fooled for awhile, but catch on eventually. Don't respond and eventually he'll find another venue.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, from my soon-to-be Best Seller, "Norma Bates' Gardening Tips."

"Without the waters of attention, weeds die too."

Oh, Moxie, Moxie, you stubborn, splendid adorable fool.

Sorry. These ACID flashbacks sometimes lead to channeling Anne Baxter in "The Ten Commandments." I'm okay now.

GOD, you're a fabulous Republican! And thanks for your response, because I LIVE for attention on this blog. Not.

Yours are the kinds of supposed "arguments" on this blog that make me do a double-take.

"Overpopulation isn't the problem," you stated in your first post. "Yes it is," I said, and outlined why. "I never said it," you stated. Or split your hairs: you said, "Or would be if I'd said it." Same difference. Uh . . . , yes, Moxie, you DID say it.

THEN you claim, "the litany of reasons why you were judging the Duggars? There's not a firsthand fact among them. Unless you consider your 'intuition' to be first hand fact."

Actually, Moxie, you or anybody may re-read my post and see that I was simply describing actual choices and behaviors by the Duggar family (documented facts, in other words) on which to base my judgments.

My "intuition" about the Duggar's not being pro-same-sex-marriage was intended as a joke, poor as it may have been. Nonetheless, what's called "intuition" has been shown to be, in fact, an almost unconscious reading of myriad obvious behavioral clues (objective facts), perhaps best documented in Gavin De Becker's "The Gift of Fear." (A book I recommend to everybody, but especially women.)

You obviously have a lot to say here, Moxie, and you say it well. You'll be valuable here for as long as you care to be. (A few aren't particularly valuable, as you can tell.)

And though I enjoy being a bit outspoken and outrageous here, to keep it readable and maybe provoke a giggle, I think if you revisit my original post you will find your points don't jibe with what I actually said.

I'm all about facts and truths, as I can discover them to the best of my ability and (sometimes) hard work.

Maybe I'm wrong.

When somebody shows me facts better than mine, contradictory to mine, I'm on my knees kissing their ring and saying, "Thank you."


"I too, cannot wait until the GLBT Duggars make the scene...delicious."

Larry, its not a question of if but likely when. The percentages say so based on that number of children. I also see a possible straight "rebel" (as in rejecting the Far Reight, not in neo-confederate) in the bunch.

Howdy, Norma... for starters I think it's great that you watched Ten Commandments on Acid.

I am indeed a fabulous Republican in the sense that I've never voted for a Republican in my life. I wish more Republicans were as fabulous as me.

So it was "overpopulation isn't the problem" that you were countering with "to say so is stupid and insulting?" My apologies... I read your post to imply that I had claimed the earth could "sustain an infinitely expanding human population." By the way, I stand by the first statement.

Other than that, I've reread your post and stand by mine. I simply don't see the facts you're talking about. I do see a lot of speculation, which I value somewhere below uninformed opinion.

I think you like the attention ;)

I don't think LA is chasv in drag...chasv wouldn't use "anathema" or "Asians!" If you buy that offspring are likely more out-of-touch than the parents, LA is MAYBE his mom/dad...AND her/his CAPS are more annoying than chasv's prattling on about queers.
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the Duggars disgust me. the world is full of problems, and yes one of them is TOO MANY PEOPLE>>>>......... and here we have a woman who makes it her life's work to lay up and get knocked up year after year ...... ENOUGH is ENOUGH.... these people should be shipped to China where someone with some sense would put a stop to this selfish indulgence of the most obscene kind.

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