McCain challenges Obama
McCain proposes a series of weekly "town hall" discussions between the presidential candidates, lightly moderated. Open questions, free-form. It's a great idea. Enough with Tim Russert, Brian Williams and the rest of the gasbags. Let the candidates thrust and parry. It also would seem to play into Obama's strengths, though there you begin getting into the expectations game. Sometimes you win, but lose by not winning by a wide enough margin. If the old man manages to be reasonably coherent, he might get a media A for effort.



Comments
Town Hall discussion = Obama's floor.
McCain = mop.
Posted by: hugh mann
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June 4, 2008 11:21 AM
Agreed, hugh...
It won't be that difficult to get McSame tripping and confused over his own words...
And how about that lime green backdrop he used last night?! I am probably the most colorblinded person on the planet and it made me dizzy...
Posted by: rosso
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June 4, 2008 11:27 AM
Obama is great at giving speeches. This would be like a debate and Obama would not do as well. McCain is smart to propose them but I don't hink Obama will accept.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 11:27 AM
Screw this idea. Let McCain spend what little cash he has available to him on paid ads if he wants public attention.
Obama should continue to make news by attracting huge crowds to hear a new message every day about how a McCain presidency would amount to a third term for Cheney.
Posted by: Earl Swagger
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June 4, 2008 11:28 AM
The third term thing isn't going to work. McCain has already ridiculed it. He makes a good point in doing so. People want to discuss the issues and what these two MEN would actually do or have done in the past. I hope we get an intelligent discussion of issues and their positions and let the voters decide. The third term and Wright bullshit needs to be kept out of it.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 11:33 AM
The pundits claimed McCain had 3 weeks to prepare for the speech last night. If that is the case then McCain's performance was horrible.
I was watching and my wife walked through and glanced over and said, "boy you can really tell he is reading off 3 teleprompters!" I had been thinking that but I figured my bias against him was skewing my perception.
I got the "dear in headlights" impression from him.
If 3 weeks prep on canned speech gets that performance, then hughman is right- McCain=Mop.
Posted by: Citizen home
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June 4, 2008 11:36 AM
McCain's a horrible speaker. Obama would own him in a series of debates.
However, McCain has no money and if Obama doesn't agree to these series of debates, McCain gets very little publicity. Obama could raise another $250 million before November. What could McCain do to counter that?
Posted by: NWASooner
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June 4, 2008 11:41 AM
Also, I wonder what Bush/Cheney thought of McCain's libel and slander. Scott McClelland and McCain seemed to be reading off the same page.
That page read - Bush had good intentions but really F'd things up.
Posted by: Citizen home
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June 4, 2008 11:41 AM
Yeah McCain is a bad speaker but does anyone really think voters vote based on who gives the better speeches? Most Americans never watch speeches. They catch soundbites and tv ads at best.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 11:42 AM
Madam, if you are referring to the widely panned and, frankly, amateurish looking speech McCain gave last night, I'd say anything that he said in that speech will cause him much more ridicule than anything he said about Obama.
Images work in politics. It is the eqivalent of "actions speak louder than words," and McCain burying his head in ole George W. Bush's bosom means that terms like "Bush's Third Term," "McSame," and "McBush" are all legitimately on the table for the duration.
Same arguments, liberal ex-dem looking forward to 2012, but a new name. Whatever.
Posted by: GUMM
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June 4, 2008 11:43 AM
"Obama could raise another $250 million before November."
Only if he wants to be a liar and break his promise to take public campaign financing though.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 11:45 AM
No need for name calling GUMM. I'm supporting Obama. I'm just not over confident like you and others.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 11:47 AM
Slow response got me off. I was responding to Madame's previous post. The one contradicted by Madame's post just before my last one.
If speeches don't matter, Madame, then why, in your previous post, do you make so much of McCain's refutation of the "Bush's third term" label, in his SPEECH.
You are honestly one of the worst trolls I have ever seen.
Posted by: GUMM
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June 4, 2008 11:48 AM
How did you know I was going to call you a troll?
No names in my previous post.
I guess you know who you are.
Posted by: GUMM
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June 4, 2008 11:50 AM
GUMM I said entire speeches do not matter. I never said lines from speeches do not matter. McCain did a smart thing by preempting the "third bush term" attack. Bush is not running. American deserves an intelligent debate between these two men on issues and their ideas.
I don't know why you keep calling me a "troll" or what you even mean by it.
And calling me "lib ex-dem" is name calling. An intelligent discussion without name calling would be nice, but perhaps you are not capable of it.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 11:59 AM
Madam President you are either a Republican Troll i.e. Clint Reed
Or the single most ignorant Hillary supporter in the state. I am gonna guess you are a RNC troll.
Good to see the RNC has already put people on the ground to infiltrate the dreaded Arkansas Times blog with completely transparent astro turfing.
a.k.a. borderline retarded arguments to stoke the Hillary ashes and soft peddling Republican talking points while posing as a Democrat. (or former Democrat)
Your boy W. is at 28% and McCain is 128 years old. No one believes he is the agent of change & the one time Maverick has now become the world's biggest flip flopper in order to fall in line with the neo-con and Christian Right Repubs he once disowned. McCain is toast...as Carville would say when I think of yesterday or an old calendar I see John McCain's face.
So good luck with your viral strategy...You are doing a bang up job. Tell Gilbert Baker & Chairman Milligan we all say hello.
For everyone else, there is a great article in my name about a Hillary supporter resenting being used as a bargaining chip
O.
Posted by: Orval Eugene
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June 4, 2008 12:26 PM
Oh, please. McCain did away with the third bush term about as well as he makes the case that's he's the change candidate not Obama. Some people will vote for McCain but it won't be because they think he's *not* the third term or that he's a change candidate. Four more years of the same, that's McCain.
Forget the town hall meetings. That's free publicity for McCain. We'll probably have debates enough though I'd be willing to forgo debates totally this year given what silliness they've been so far.
Posted by: Rackensacker
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June 4, 2008 12:30 PM
I've said it before and I say it again - this country deserves a president who can make a coherent sentence - at least that much. McCain's best platform, although admittedly still not great - would be the townhall. As I understand he he tried to limit his 'speeches' in favor of townhall's because they recognize he is a terrible speaker.
Maybe if Obama gives enough speeches, McCain will feel compelled to do more of them and the more speeches McCain gives, the better for us - he was laughable last night and everytime I've seen him scripted.
Posted by: Ci.Ci
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June 4, 2008 12:59 PM
Obviously people on this blog are incapable of having an intelligent conversation. Why on earth anyone would think I am a Republican is beyond me. That's beyond paranoia. Why waste time on such silly things? I'll continue to discuss issues and will ignore those that can't do the same. Flame away...
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 01:13 PM
Correction: Obviously *some* people on this blog are incapable of having an intelligent conversation.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 01:17 PM
Yep Madam keep soft peddling those Republican talking points.
I am guessing you are currently changing your handle as we speak.
This crap is directly lifted from the Republican press release:
"The third term thing isn't going to work. McCain has already ridiculed it. He makes a good point in doing so. People want to discuss the issues and what these two MEN would actually do or have done in the past. I hope we get an intelligent discussion of issues and their positions and let the voters decide. The third term and Wright bullshit needs to be kept out of it."
Nice try
Posted by: Orval Eugene
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June 4, 2008 01:25 PM
Yep, definitely a handle-changer. I noticed that myself.
"Why waste time on such silly things?"
Indeed.
Posted by: hugh mann
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June 4, 2008 01:58 PM
Maybe it's the ol' "anonymous desk" over at the RPA, hugh...
And weren't those some interesting exchanges before we had to register...
Anyway, they just figured out HOW to troll but haven't figured out they ARE trolls...maybe they're through the first compooter class now...
Posted by: rosso
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June 4, 2008 02:11 PM
HELP...lawyers or anyone who might have a better memory today than I have.
Re, bush, mccain
there is a term/word, given to people who have inappropriate reponses to circumstances,
I've heard it most often in courtrooms by lawyers.
People who smile/laugh/smirk when *normal* people would cry/feel sadness.....guess it is a
question for a shrink but, they use it a lot in court.
Maybe Max could buzz his lovely Judge and save my sanity!!!!!
Posted by: jazzy
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June 4, 2008 02:13 PM
Schadenfreude.
Posted by: hugh mann
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June 4, 2008 02:18 PM
social anxiety.
Posted by: Larry
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June 4, 2008 02:24 PM
jazzzy i think just nuts would be appropriate.
Posted by: zonker
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June 4, 2008 02:31 PM
NO, no and no.....its a medical/legal term but, I agree *just nuts* fits very well.
Calling Nancy Grace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: jazzy
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June 4, 2008 02:46 PM
Bring it McCain! After watching Obama's acceptance speech last night I think I caught a little glimpse of what he'll bring to our future. I think finally we've got a guy who will not pussy-out like Gore and Kerry and will call McCain out on exactly what he is. I think Obama will start frying McCain's rocky mountain oysters long before the first Town Hall Slaughter.
If it isn't time for straight speaking, polite or otherwise....just when would be the right time. After America has sunk into the pit of neo-con dictatorship? How much worse do things have to get before a Democrat will stand up and say You PIG FK'ers....Enough is Enough! Well.....I think this is a fine time to start burning down the Republican House of Fascist Cards.
Thank you John McCain for being unskillful enough to fly a jet fighter over North Vietnam and be shot down and for not dying in their horrible prison. That was an awful time for Honest John and a whole lot of other Americans. But that was the 60s, they're gone and cannot hurt us any more. It's TODAY I'm worried about and so again....thanks for being a POW, but that shouldn't cover up that John McCain was a sorry son of a bitch before Vietnam and surely surly AFTER he got back home and entered Congress.
The old bastid has always talked one way and voted the other. He was talking and voting like Mark W. Pryor back when Mark was riding a bike. McCain has been pulling the wool over the eyes of Stupid Americans for decades. Well.....ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
I urge Barack Obama to strip the bark off John McCain and leave him lying in a pool of his lying old blood. Don't give an inch, Barry! The only way we'll have a future is to stop McCain and everything he represents in his tracks. Squash him like the cockroach he is.
Be nice and polite in 2009.....but not now buddy! We are at War.....here in the barely United States of America. It's us vs the neo-cons who are pulling the McCain strings. It's time to whip some Gitmo on their guilty asses. So Go Barry Go! Save our country!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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June 4, 2008 02:53 PM
Asperger syndrome, jazzy?
Not sure if that exactly fits what you are looking for...
Posted by: rosso
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June 4, 2008 03:16 PM
As the proud possessor of a pussy, DBI, I must take umbrage at your use of the phrase, "pussy-out."
You know I generally agree with you.
But I must quibble with your reference to female genitalia being somehow weak and submissive. Hits below the belt, so to speak.
Please respect Pussy-Power, instead of making derogatory remarks about female anatomy.
After all: what have your bigger and better phallic-shaped missiles and bombs ever delivered civilization?
"Dick-out?"
Just askin', Petunia.
Posted by: NormaBates
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June 4, 2008 04:07 PM
I love the idea of Town Hall Meetings where regular folks can ask McCain this like; who is it we are fighting in Iraq and did he really call his wife a c%$t and why did his addict wife who stole prescription drugs from a charity not do any time like the rest of us would?
Good times watching his head explode....
Posted by: Any*Mouse
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June 4, 2008 04:18 PM
"After all: what have your bigger and better phallic-shaped missiles and bombs ever delivered civilization?" - Norma
Lots of pussy-shaped holes in the ground.
Posted by: Moxiemoron
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June 4, 2008 04:33 PM
But but Norma. When I was going to school back at Stonehenge calling a man a pussy had zero to do with womanhood. I think we've discussed how it is not OK in today's society to use that word to refer to a part of the female anatomy. It's not a word I've used with any wife since I started having a wife back in America's Bi-Centennial year. And the other word I was taught to use was breasts. Though I have to fight the urge now and then to use other more male-friendly terms....it's breasts at my house and lovely ones at that.
I cannot find a better word for a weak male than pussy, which again I do not associate with the female gender. I would be willing to try another word, if you could provide me with examples. But they must be as hard hitting and direct and easy to understand as the P word. Thanks in advance for your help!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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June 4, 2008 04:33 PM
"Obviously people on this blog are incapable of having an intelligent conversation." - the troll
And, you sir, are *by far* the worst offender. Get a grip on reality. ArkRed and Chasv sound more stable than you do.
Posted by: my mind's a razorblade
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June 4, 2008 04:40 PM
If you mouse over the icon by people's names, you can see the actual name of the poster. Apparently Orval Eugene is a big fan of the racist gov. Orval Faubus since that's his actual name.
And Norma I'm sure you know that sexism is still accepted in the country. It is so accepted that people don't even think about it.
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 05:04 PM
Razor I have not made any personal attacks or called people names so where do you get off saying that?
Posted by: Madam President 2012
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June 4, 2008 05:07 PM
"Madam President you are either a Republican Troll i.e. Clint Reed
Or the single most ignorant Hillary supporter in the state. I am gonna guess you are a RNC troll..."--Orval E.
And given that most of us are 'retards'...'most ignorant Hillary supporter' is some title.
Speaking of slow...I'm not getting where madam's remarks indicate he/she is a Republican...or even a devout Hillary supporter. Oh well...perhaps I missed some inside crap. Being slow and all.
I've banned the MSM from my horizon for the day. It's something I've had to do periodically since the Supreme Court stole the presidency for President Shit for Brains. A sanity break.
Posted by: zelda
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June 4, 2008 05:18 PM
"I think finally we've got a guy who will not pussy-out like Gore and Kerry. . ."
Here, here, allow me to rush in to help! In context such as this, I view "pussy" not at all as a reference to the female genitalia, but instead to a male's weakness or flightiness. Ya know, as in a pussy willow bending double, flying in every direction, and even snapping apart during a windstorm. I've long felt that Obama is not a pussy willow.
Posted by: durangokid
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June 4, 2008 05:24 PM
"If you mouse over the icon by people's names, you can see the actual name of the poster."
Notta. You might see in whose name (with or without that person's permission) a Type Key account was opened, but that doesn't reveal who's actually posting.
Posted by: durangokid
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June 4, 2008 05:27 PM
Madam they apparently think you are me. And she is correct about the mouse over. You can change your viewable name all you want but the actual name stays the same.
McCain is a dick
Obama is a pussy
who cares???
Posted by: liberal ex-Dem looking forward to 2012
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June 4, 2008 05:52 PM
sorry did i get that wrong?
Kerry/Gore is a pussy?
Obama is a dick?
again who cares???
Posted by: liberal ex-Dem looking forward to 2012
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June 4, 2008 06:00 PM
Thank you, DBI Your respect for female genitalia is palpable.
Whatever that means.
However, as a pussy-possessor, if you are going to GO THERE, may I suggest Presidential Contender McCain's off-the-record all-over-the-internet characterization of his lovely (?) wife, Cindy?
"Cunt?"
Gotta love a POTUS Candidate like that.
Class. International respect.
Smooches.
Posted by: NormaBates
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June 4, 2008 06:34 PM
An old friend of mine, a assistant US prosecutor, who died last year, he would have been THE US prosecutor except for a lifelong drinking problem was waltzing his pretty wife at a Hardscrabble Country Club Christmas party about 15 years ago when they got into some sort of disagreement and just as the band stopped playing he called her a C*NT and I swear people could hear it a mile away.
He was not allowed in the house that night and divorce proceedings commenced the next week. He wound up a broken not so old wreck who died alone in a crappy nursing home in Barling, Arkansas. So, if I ever thought about calling my wife such a name, what happened to him ended those ideas.
Plus, I think my wife has about 20 lbs on me, so in general pissing her off is a bad idea. I love women so much I wanted one for my President. Guess I'll just have to wait. A Pox on John McCain and his supporters!
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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June 4, 2008 07:20 PM
Obama:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I'm a Christian, and so although I try not to have my religious beliefs
dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe
that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something
sanctified between a man and a woman." (Chicago Tribune 9/24/04)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I wonder what Obama thinks about those Christians who don't think blacks should marry whites?
Only a coward wouldn't stand up for equal rights for all Americans. We shall see if he grows a pair and changes his position.
Posted by: liberal looking forward to 2012
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June 5, 2008 02:59 AM