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the effort to punish gay people -- and punish children by complicating foster parenting and adoption for everyone in Arkansas gay and straight -- by the self-proclaimed arbiters of family values.

. . .the codgers who comprise the five-member board of the Darragh Foundation are four married people still on their first spouse after many many years and one widower. Several are proud parents.-Posted by Max Brantley
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Just goes to show you that advocates of both sides of an issue can have a lot in common. Besides shared life and unbroken marital experiences they can also disparage the other side with distorted descriptions of their own choosing.

Arguing, teaching and doing research means that one accepts the rule of rational, evidence-based discourse. Any yet fundamentalist want to have it both ways and promptly retreat behind the all encompassing shield of faith when things get rough.

If I ever have an inkling/desire to waste my days criticizing, demeaning, and hating people of differing religions color, life styles, etc., I will become a Christian so I can do so with immunity.

I think this is a classic example of H.L.Menchen thoughts when he scoured the American Christian fundamentalist calling them "Homo boobiens" writing bluntly that a person was a fundamentalist for the precise reason he is uneducable (And) no amount of proof of the falsity of their beliefs will have the slightest influence on them.

This is the same Jerry Cox, 20 Nob Hill Cove, Little Rock, AR 72205, who voted in the Repub Presidential Primary. I've always thought he was insecure about his own sexuality and marriage. Am I the only one who notices some feminine mannerisms? Why else would he be so intent on defending marriage and family? I'm married, I've got family, but I've never felt the need to defend either. And BTW, don't need Promise Keepers to be faithful to my vows, either.

Exactly!! PVNasb... he who cries the loudest... I totally agree.
thanks for the address.

As a Christian, I just wish all those who call themselves Christians would actually practice the teachings of Jesus Christ. If they did, what a wonderful, peaceful, loving world it would be.

Oh yeah...it's always the guy who squeals the loudest about gays and the end of the universe who has so many secret fetishes he doesn't dare let em loose.

I watched a special on MSNBC last night regarding an evangelical who had an epiphany when seeing starving Africans who presumably had never confessed jesus as their personal savior-a fictitious belief to say the least-and were condemned to hell. The lesser known Tulsa evangelical's dethronement by the national head of evangelicals, Ted Haggard, was a game of charades. Shortly after that Haggard was discovered to have been packing back-door chocolate and doing meth both of which he lied about publicly .

This Deny the Children movement coupled with gay marriage ban is nothing more than Cox's launch pad for something larger. He , as in the case of Haggard, should be watched like a pedophile. In the rigidity of their belief system there's likely many twisted pervs who attempt to deny that inner gay by rising to leadership or becoming zealots as in the case of Debbie Pelley.

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Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Jesus, will these bigots just give up and go away?
Maybe they could all move somewhere else, say Colorado or Idaho, just far, far away.

For many years I was of the same persuasion. That gay people were lower than low and that every Chrisitian belief should be put into law. I now see how foolish that viewpoint was. I still belive, I still go to church, but FAITH is a private matter- something that changes YOUR life. Not everyone CHOOSES to have faith- for those who do- then great- live your life to the fullest of that faith- but do not use the belief in Jesus as a tool to implement a taliban type of mentality on everyone. Jesus does not want FORCED followers, he accepts those who willingly accept him. By the way, I am a Christian, but I am also Gay. Can anyone tell me how to contact Arkansas Families First so that I can give them my full support in killing this terrible monster of a law?

This is the same Jerry Cox, 20 Nob Hill Cove, Little Rock, AR 72205, who voted in the Repub Presidential Primary-Posted by: PVNasby
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Well, in defense of Mr. Cox - he publicly stands up for what he believes (this is America, right?) even when it may be disagreeable or controversial. And he obviously isn't hiding since his address and contact information are there for all to see . . . unlike most participants on this blog who prefer to express their views, snipe and lob their philosophical hand grenades from the anonymity of their keyboards, right PVN?

Since I have his address now, I guess I should write him a supportive note - not to agree with him, but to acknowledge his exercise of the rights and freedoms we enjoy as Americans and applaud him for his willingness to publicly stand up and be identified with his beliefs.

zelda how do you lie so easily? You know it is wrong to lie like you just did. I tell it like the bible says it is and queers will not inherit the Kingdom of God and you queers have got to realize you must be born again.
Put off you filthy lust! We, not just queers, reep what we sow, so make sure what you sow you can eat in peace.
Read the book of Jude in the bible and believe.

BWC You do not know what love really is!

Sell all your stuff chasv, give it to the poor and follow jesus.

"As a Christian, I just wish all those who call themselves Christians would actually practice the teachings of Jesus Christ. If they did, what a wonderful, peaceful, loving world it would be." - MeetJohnDoe

Actually, MJD, no the world WOULDN'T be, if it practiced the teachings of JC in the Bible. Everybody except fundamentalist "believers" in JC would be slaughtered, according to the Holy Book.

My favorite refutation of JC's supposedly overwhelming love and compassion is the "What Did Jesus Say" interactive quiz on Landover Baptist Church's site.

Of course, you get to watch Christianists scream, "You're taking it out of context!" But you're not. It's all there, in the teachings. What the fundamentalists are trying to do is IGNORE those particular teachings -- you know, the usual Biblical cherry-picking -- and hope you don't know about them.

I have some wonderful Christian friends who have some wonderful gay and lesbian friends.

So, since everything's so wonderful, how come I've NEVER heard any of my Christian friends speak up and speak out against their church's policies on gays and lesbians, or against hatefully conceived laws like the one proposed?

Oh, yeah. Same reason they don't want to know about those hateful, controlling, genocidal teachings from JC.

Same reason they don't want to know any scientific facts about same-sex pairings throughout the animal kingdom -- or scientific facts, period. Evolution's only a "theory." They don't even understand the scientific definition of "theory."

So, despite my wonderful Christian friends' wonderful friendships with wonderful gays and lesbians (who in most cases are also Christians), when it comes to acknowledging legal civil equality for all Americans, their house of cards crumbles.

Fundamentalists want to maintain bigotry and persecution (if not outright murder) against those who don't agree with their religion. As always, throughout recorded history.

Simple, really.

In places like Little Rock, nobody wants to rock the boat. Non-conformity and confrontation can cost you and your loved ones jobs, security, even hope.

It can also send the best, the brighest, the most ambitious -- whether straight or same-sex -- out of our state and on to greener, more diverse, larger, better educated and less religiously-dominated states.

Arkansas, as usual, will be dragged kicking and screaming into recognizing same-sex marriage and same-sex families, though it's evident it's only two or three generations down the road.

Sigh. Once again we'll reaffirm our worship of ignorance and religious intolerance, as we did in 1957.

Renewing Arkansas' national and international reputation (deserved or not) of hick backwardness for another fifty years.

No, it's not deserved and no it's not a true picture. But it'll take some non-hick non-backward Arkansans to stand up and say so.

I'm sorta all with you, DonKehotay, about freedom of speech and standing up and speaking out for your beliefs and stuff.

Like Hitler and stuff. Or the Pope. Or the KKK.

But it's America, you know. And we have laws here about yelling, "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.

And stuff.

Fundamentalists want to maintain bigotry and persecution (if not outright murder) against those who don't agree with their religion. -NormaB
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Appreciate you being sorta all with me and all that - but I'm not sorta with you at all when you go that far off the reservation . . .

It all just gets more interesting. Click on my name below for the L.A. Times article that makes it plain as day what's coming.

Yes, Razorbacks, another national showdown between religion and secularism over same-sex marriage.

You remember Prohibition. Women's Suffrage. Miscegenation. Evolution. Etc.

Each movement mops the floor with religious (i.e., Christian) justifications for sliming others in the name of Jesus.

Loser movements, all.

Here we go again.

This (the same-sex) issue's been losing ground for decades, as more and more same-sex people open up and more and more Americans have same-sex family members and friends.

It's already a non-issue in the majority of the next generation.

It's still a Big Deal in the fearful, ridiculed, threatened Fundamentalist Christian (and Jewish and Muslim) community.

Look. Nobody is forcing ANY church to perform or acknowledge same-sex marriages. Nobody is forcing religionists to alter their beliefs -- or acceptance of others -- in any way.

The current political discussion about same-sex marriage is powerful because it is really the final discussion in our country about separation of Church and State. It's come to a head in same-sex marriage.

The Republican-appointed California Supreme Court made that abundantly clear in the details of its recent decision.

National and state-sponsored attempted takeovers by religion have always lost these "debates" and "Christian Warrior" tactics to impose religion on Constitutional law.

Religion will lose, devastatingly, again. Too many people questioning, "Is this right? Where did this come from?"

Too many people questioning the origins of their religions.

WAY too much Googling! Too much information! Which is why governments keep trying to clamp down on the internet.

Until then . . .

Now that same-sex people are no longer the last acceptable targets for the religious majority's fear and hate and ignorance . . . there's nobody left.

Oh, wait.

Jews.

That's right. That explains the increasingly anti-Semitic emails I've been getting.

Here we go again.

elwood, I did just that and he gave it back to me pressed down running over like he said he would.
Norma Bates you must be born again! No person can inter the Kingdon of God till they repent and accept Jesus into your heart.
You are no different from those who lived in sodom and gomorrha. You are no different..!
God destroyed them and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, despised dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
You speak evil of those things which you know not: but what you know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things you corrupt yourself.T You have gone in the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
These are spots in your feasts of charity.
Homosexuallity is sin and you must repent of your sins just like we all had to do to be saved.

There are ways of a man that seems right but the end is death.
Homo's minds are seared as with a hot iron. You will all burn in hell and that is your choice. You, again, have been warned to turn away from your homosexual living. It is your choice! God does not force you to believe in him but he will not give you life if you don't believe in him... it is your choice.
It is either God way heaven or it is your way to hell. Can't have it both ways norman bates.

chasv, if you truly believe what you post here, you are seriously mentally ill and please seek help!
But, since I think you are just a troll, posting just for fun to stir shit, I hereby take you off my prayer list You will be fine, just stop thinking about that beastly gay sex! Stop thinking about it NOW!

The only hope I do have is when I talk to my son (16) and his friends about things like this and they just think is is stupid to even care if someone is gay. They think it is nuts that we would vote on things like this. The next generation and the ones after it will move this state out of it's bigoted ways.

kizzy, If you were a christian and have read the Holy Bible you'd see that is what God said. I am only reminding everyone what the creator of all things requires of us.
They are on the road to hell and you know it.. so quit lying to yourself. God is not mocked and that is exactly what the homos do. He said in his book if a man is caught laying with a man as with a woman to kill him.
Do you think God has changed His mind about homos about the thousands he killed in Sodom and Gomorraha?
Wake up and live before its too late.
Max, You use the term loosely when you say good chirstian. There is none good.

"You have gone in the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core."

batshit insane as you may be, chasv, this is the greatest batshit sentence i've read all day! i love it! ha! you got the gift!

That sentence is no more batshit than your handle is, ettiem. Came out of the bible in the book of jude.