Arkansas Blog

I know what they need- More electricity running thru their pickles.

Pickles smickles, I need more electricity in my house!!!!!!!!!! off and on off and on alllllllllll
morn....third day in a row.....think I'd get better service in Baghdad....

That is good news, let loving people adopt needy kids..........JERKS

Know what you mean jazzy. NWA has thunder storms coming our way from both sides, West to East and now one is coming East to West. Trapped in the middle here. I'm using the laptop on battery power and the wireless card. Last round of thunder storms took out most of my desk top accessories.

I figured along and posted on here this act would not fly. It interferes with family arrangements.
And just how is the state going to affirm that any couple is having a "sexual relationship?" If a 59 yr old grandmother wants to adopt her grandson and she is living with 70 year old fellow with a heart condition who can say with certainty the couple is has a "sexual relationship?" This is a tremendously flawed act and most Ark voters can recognize it.

Ahhh...feel so bad for the Family blah blah gang...ha!

Yes, the pickle did it, eLwood, I now see the light...

LOL Ms Z !!!

How would one go about challenging some, any, or all of the signatures that have been gathered thus far?

In my Baptist Church, a petition was left unattended on a stand in the entry foyer and a request was made by the pastor from the pulpit for voters to sign it.

I know for a fact that many people signed the petition and that no one was officially checking and observing the signings.

If this happened in my church, it is bound to have happened statewide.

Just say no, and keep saying no, to religious bullies.

Here's an article published yesterday, written by a male senior high student adopted by two moms, about his and his little brother's lives.

This senior writes the truth: religious "leaders" and faith-based politicians are hate-filled liars.

>>Many children are raised by single parents, unmarried parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, and more. What makes these families real is the love and care they have for each other, their commitment to seeing each other through good times and bad<< NormaBates link

If an 17/18 year old can comprehend this simple fact what does it say about Family Council's values? Their
entire prohibition of cohabitating persons right to adopt would be based upon sexual intercourse or having a "sexual relationship."

Makes you really wonder about the obsessions Family Council holds. I wonder how many pervs inhabit their ranks?
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The statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics: "A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with one or two gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual."

"Senator McCain's position is out of sync with the research and science and out of step with what is in the best interests of children waiting for a home and a family," said Jody Huckaby, PFLAG executive director. "We implore Senator McCain to take a serious look at the overwhelming evidence and listen to the stories of the countless children raised by loving lesbian and gay couples."

Kara Suffredini, director of public policy for the Family Equality Council, a national LGBT parent group, said her organization is "disturbed and disappointed that a presidential candidate would make such a biased and ill-informed statement about the most 'successful' kind of family."

"Thirty years of scientifically valid research universally demonstrates that LGBT families are just as nurturing for children's growth and development as heterosexual families," said Suffredini.

Suffredini said that not only the pediatrics group but also the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, and the National Association of Social Workers "have all issued statement supporting same-sex parents."

So it appears Arkansas, as it has in the past (all together, now: "Central High!") is once again determined to legislate ignorance, fear and religious bigotry and preserve our national reputation of backwardness and hate.

>>How would one go about challenging some, any, or all of the signatures that have been gathered thus far?<<

Welcome back Old Blue Eyes. No see for a long time.
I'm not certain but I think you would need to contact the Ark Sec of State.
Try this:

Elections and Voter Services
Phone: 501-682-5070 or toll free outside of the Little Rock area 800-482-1127
Email: electionsemail@sos.arkansas.gov

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Again....Why do we need so many foster homes? Why are there so many adoptable children?? Because hetrosexuals [who sometimes were NOT married] had children they were ill equipped to care for, were not financially ready or emotionally stable enough to provide a nuturing home.

I see it every day in my work...Oh if I ruled the word.....there would be a lot of straight folks childless!

Pedophiles are loving people. Wouldn't they be the perfect candidates for adopting children? Obviously exposing children to peversion is not a concern as long as there is 'love' present. I find your logic 'interesting'.

Why yes, strange, let's hand our children over to pedophiles...it'll be good training for when they work hard and go to DC to be the playthings of the Foley's of the Republican Party.

Hey, pal, democrats have had that piece of action as well. I don't think you should limit to a certain political party. After all, peversion is peversion whoever practices it.

I know Arkansans. They have absolutely no use for anybody who wants to hand over innocent children to homosexuals. Exposing a young impressionable child to that peversion is beyond the tolerance level for the majority of Arkansans outside of the Hillcrest area.

strangelove and chasv MUST be the same person. neither one can spell worth a shit.

"Pedophiles are loving people. Wouldn't they be the perfect candidates for adopting children? Obviously exposing children to peversion is not a concern as long as there is 'love' present. I find your logic 'interesting'." - Strangelove

I find your LACK of logic and facts appalling. Then again I've always found that bigots, no matter how smart and accomplished they may be in other areas, are stupid and frightened and totally uninformed in their particular area of bigotry.

"Pedophiles are loving people." That's an utter lie, Strangelove. Pedophiles are adults who cannot relate satisfactorily to another adult, so they victimize smaller, weaker, helpless children to gratify themselves sexually. Pedophilia is about power and control, not love.

While sexual abuse of children is indeed a "perversion," homosexuality is not. Same-sex activities and even lifelong partnerships are ubiquitous throughout the animal kingdom (which, honey, includes homo sapiens). Read Dr. Bagemihl's "Biological Exuberance" from 2000, documenting (and photodocumenting) homosexuality and lifelong same-sex partners in over 450 species. Including lifelong same-sex bonds between elephants, whales, giraffes, apes, rhinos and on and on.

Despite what religious bigots say, homosexuality is not a perversion. It's perfectly natural across all species studied. It occurs throughout God-created nature, in other words, much to religionists' dismay.

What's ugliest and MOST insulting about your post is your inference that pedophilia is in any way connected with homosexuality.

Here are the facts about child abuse, Strangelove. Direct from the DHS Child Services Division.

What's the most prevalent form of child abuse?

Oh, right. I forgot, Strange. You don't know because you don't inform yourself.

It's "neglect." Almost 60% of child abuse is neglect. Followed by physical abuse, psychological abuse and, finally, sexual abuse.

Sexual abuse of children constitutes exactly 5% of all child abuse.

Of THAT 5% . . . 95% is heterosexual men victimizing underage girls. That's right. 5% of child sexual abuse is homosexual.

"You can't handle the truth." - Jack Nicholson, "A Few Good Men"

No matter what anyone states as to the development of the children in homes with a gay/bisexual parent, in allowing this action we create an atmosphere where the children ARE affected by their upbringing. Nothing in nature is gay except mankind. Nothing in nature is bysexual except mankind. Considerng we are supposedly the only "thinking" organism on this rock, what makes anyone "think" it is okay to be gay or bysexual? Why would we be the only creatures to be this way? Probably because mankind has an inner driver towards self destruction. In allowing upbringing of the children through a gay/lesbien/bysexual home system, we allow the children to believe this being gay is an accepted action. It is not accepted by any other creature on this planet, so why should we accept it in mankind? Vote your soul for this law to pass, if it fails, it gives lee to those who would lead our world to self destruction through perversion.
The Thought, From Phoenix!

Pedophiles are already parents, Strange...as well as sexual and physical abusers.

At least with adoption and foster care there are home studies, back ground and financial checks!

NormaBates -

You go, girl!! Three snaps in a Z-formation!!!

It would serve you well to read the initiated Act the Family Council proposes. As I mentioned above it doesn't punish gays exclusively. In fact it doesn't mention homosexuals at all.
Their test for adoption is if an unmarried couple is living together in a sexual relationship. Period.

That's going to exclude many family members from adopting nieces/nephews, grandchildren, second cousins, etc.

For example if a 45 year old single woman, A, is sharing a home with another adult woman, B, and A wishes to provide a home to her runaway niece whose father kicked her out the home:
1) How does the state go about proving the two co-habituating women are NOT involved in a sexual relationship?
2)Or how does the state establish they are in a "sexual relationship?" For adults do we really want the Sex Police?
Have we gone that far into authoritarianism? Sexual relationship and co-habitation are the only two test for this initiated Act.
It doesn't pass the stink test imo.
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Strangelove.........another boring repug 3' incher.
Visiting hours are over, go on back to your bunk and play with LARGEASSHOLE, another
3' incher.

The only people who should be adopting children are a man and woman who are married to each other.

Strangelove.........another boring repug 3' incher.
Visiting hours are over, go on back to your bunk and play with LARGEASSHOLE, another
3' incher.

JNYJ -

You are uninformed. I suggest you read Biological Exhuberance. Homosexuality is present (and has been documented) in over 450 species.

If you are mentally challenged you always resort to name calling because that is all you have.

"Nothing in nature is bysexual except mankind." - JNYJ

You know, precious, when you lie your nose grows longer.

Better back off from your monitor and increase the font size.

Oh, yeah: remedial spelling will improve your job chances.

Homosexuality is a peversion and is not a fit for environment to raise children.

Sorry for double post......don't know how that happened........

NOT GUILTY

Strangelove-

It's peRversion, dumbass.

JNYJ -

It's bIsexual, dumbass.

"No matter what anyone states as to the development of the children in homes with a gay/bisexual parent, in allowing this action we create an atmosphere where the children ARE affected by their upbringing."Posted by: JNYJ

Well, your intro indicates you are opened minded about the testimonies of others who differ.
I always do a roll of the eyes when I see such introductory remarks. I have a feeling you're about to have a head-on collision with reality.

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It ain't just Hillcrest. Hell, I'm here in the country (Conway) and I've got so many damn tomatoes falling off the vines I need some extra helpers. Where in the hell that grass is gettin enough water to grow that quick I'll never know. Send em my way. I'll adopt em and put them sumbitches to work; teach em a thing or two about earning a dollar.

Can we start a fund to snail mail each and every person who signed the petition the papers to adopt a child at their listed home address? Certainly to keep the kiddies out of queer hands they'd be willing to step up to the plate and care for a foster themselves. Certainly they would. I'll start the pot...

"The only people who should be adopting children are a man and woman who are married to each other."--strange

Says you...and your rep, Monkeyboy, pretty much crapped all over your brand...pretty much exposed all that Republican propaganda (i.e. small-government, balanced-budget, no-nation building, states' rights/etc. etc. etc...) as nothing more than election-stealing, empty tools.

A loving/healthy home is where every child deserves to reside. Gay couples are every bit as capable of providing children with such environments (I'd argue more so...given the hurdles they have to overcome).

Pedophiles are criminals...perverted, sick people...thus your suggestion/correlation, strange, is idiotic and juvenile. It's homophobic/cruel and ignorant to compare a gay home to that of a pedophile's.

Look, if you called everybody who misspelled or made a typo that entered comments in this blog you would be doing nothing else. I type fast---too fast.

Homosexuals were once considered criminals by the state. Why are you advocating they adopt children? If pedophilia is finally recognized as legal by the state would you then advocate that they be allowed to adopt children?

My first go round with this issue was about fifteen years ago when I started coaching Little League baseball.

I somehow got paired with an old jerk and his son(who was also a jerk). We had a little boy who was either 9 or 10 and his mother had a partner. These two guy's made it a point not to play this kid. Never said anything. Mom finally approached me after a game and stated that she had tried to talk to both of these coaches and they wouldn't even acknowledge her. Now I must say that if practice was at 5:00, Mom, partner and son were there at 4:45. If someone yelled " need another hand in the concession stand" Mom and partner were off to help out the best they could. My comment to Mom was, if you have a little boy who wants to play baseball, I'll be happy to work with him.

Taught Mom and partner and son at the same time how to throw a baseball properly and then we moved on to fielding and hitting. Also worked on what practice needed to be done during the week at home. The kid became a quite proficient ball player. And he played up until he went to High School.

Now I'm the one who learned a lesson from all of this. My oldest son who was 9 at the time said, "Dad I understand how you are with commitments and I plan to honor my commitment to this team, but after the last game I want to go play ice hockey". Kids can see discrimination from a mile away. And they can certainly identify jerks. That season I learned a very important lesson, you never put a kid in the middle of this issue.

Jazzy is not the happy little camper, Jazzy is just sad because Jazzy doesn't fit in with reality. A Homosexual most likely wrote the reference you refered to. Go somewhere else and have a happy Gaety. Part on Fairy princess!

Jazzy is not the happy little camper, Jazzy is just sad because Jazzy doesn't fit in with reality. A Homosexual most likely wrote the reference you refered to. Go somewhere else and have a happy Gaety. Party on Fairy princess!

strangelove -

a "typo" doesn't occur multiple times in multiple posts. just admit you can't spell.

"Homosexuals were once considered criminals by the state." - strange

And Christians were once considered criminals by the state also (Roman Empire). So your logic dictates that Christians shouldn't be able to adopt either. Bravo!!

It was once legal to own slaves and once women weren't allowed to vote...good times are in the eye of the historical perverter. Homosexuality is not illegal; and the label of 'wrong' is a religious one that should stay within the cult rather than becoming everyone else's law.

I'm referencing this statement by strange: "Homosexuals were once considered criminals by the state. Why are you advocating they adopt children? If pedophilia is finally recognized as legal by the state would you then advocate that they be allowed to adopt children?"

Jazzy -

WTF is JNYJ talking about?

A Jazzy, Sly Dog, with Strangelove? Sounds too true to be blue, but I bet the doors blue! Advocates for perversion are usually perverse themselves. Why elkse would they argue the perverted side of the coin?

Homosexuality was a criminal offense in most states at one time. It is now acceptable to the liberal community and legalized. You can not guarantee that this same situation won't also happen in regards to pedophia. It is repugnant now to the overwhelming majority of people but it too could be 'legitimatized by the state in the same way as homosexuality. Now, would you also embrace their rights to adoption? It is pretty straightforward. What is your answer to this specific scenario? Please don't obfuscate. Just answer the question as posed without any name calling.

JNYJ -

You need to put your crack pipe down. Give it a rest. You can't even put out a coherent thought. BTW, how are things in Malvern?

JNYJ -

You need to put your crack pipe down. Give it a rest. You can't even put out a coherent thought. BTW, how are things in Malvern?

"...Advocates for perversion are usually perverse themselves. Why elkse would they argue the perverted side of the coin?"--JNYJ

Absolutely...and explains why DC Republicans let Foley frolic with all those young pages all those years.

"Why elkse would they argue the perverted side of the coin?"

Receptive audience

pedophia??? is that another typo due to your incredible typing speed?

You didn't answer my question. Christianity was also illegal under the Roman Empire. Should Christians - an illegal organization - be allowed to adopt?

Homosexuals were once considered criminals by the state.<<

Yes, if they acted upon their desires. Even when it was an illegal act you had to participate to be guilty.
So your statement is not entirely true.
However, the Supreme Court has ruled sodomy laws unconstitutional. Matter is closed. Blacks were once, in the USA ,not considered "persons," hence the entitlement of slavery.

Now any bets on how fast the conservative arguments become 'argumento ridiculo' ??

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Calmwriter, sounds like a nice place for a kid to be.
Whenever I talk to these ANTI people I lock eyes and ask..........
.....and, how many babies have you adopted, who would otherwise have been aborted?????
Far as I'm concerned every home of an ANTI should look like a Dugger compound, but full of
other peoples babies.
If they really want to save babies it would be reality......
.....bet a lot of Black and Mexicans would relish growing up in a mansion and going to an
Ivy league school.

strangelove -

is it still a crime in Magnolia or El Dorado?

slavery was never considered a criminal act. You can't compare the two. Homosexual acts were once considered criminal acts. Sexual assualt on a child is now considered a criminal act (until liberals are successful at getting it decriminalized as they did homosexuality).

slydog----would you like me to waste your time and everyone else's time and start identifying EVERY typo or misspelling I have see just on this subject? Let me see some good arguments not pointing the dirty end of the stick at me.

slydog----we are talking about this country not the roman empire.

Well, at least chasv will have company at the home. The ignorance on the right side of the isle is amazing. Do you all know it is 2008? If the truth was known strange, Large, chasv and Mr. Elkse would all love to see slavery come back, women revert to cattle status, and homosexuals burned at the stake. That's what they're really saying between the lines. They sure as hell won't be adopting anyone and WHOOPEE.....best thing for kids I've ever heard of.

Most of the pedos of the world are heterosexuals, no amount of lying about it will change the fact that straight men are doing most of the abusing. Just this weekend a straight man beat a little girl's brains out against a wall. Pedo.....probably not....straight...you bet. Too bad the little girl wasn't placed in a home with 2 gay guys week before last. We're minus another little girl thanks to a heterosexual man.

In every instance in my life, gay friends came from straight parents. Why? Because you're born with your sexual preference. I can't make you gay.....no one can make Richard Simmons straight. So believing that gay foster parents turn kids gay is as much a medieval thought as turning straw into gold with hocus pocus. Evolve damn it! Goofy old dinosaurs getting their facts out their ass instead of using their brains. You are a dying breed......good!

They'll get enough names and then we'll vote to stop queers from adopting.
Queers are like bad apples in a barrel. They rot so and they cause other apples to take the trip of rottening..
That is why God said if a man lie with man as with a woman to put them to death.............................................................................................................................................................................................He made man and he has the right to do with man as he wants.
He destroyed whole cities of homos.

I am still waiting for an answer to my very straightforward question. DBI, you have a selective memory. You forgot about the Arkansas case where two homosexuals raped and killed a teenage boy right in our own state. Selective memory loss for the left. I am still waiting on an answer.

Zelda,
I am talking about the right of any child to be able to understand that homosexuality is considered one of the worst perversions in this world. A child has the right to be taught the truth that Homosexuality cannot be correct, as the sexual act is for mating purposes in the context of breeding. Homosexuals cannot breed, then why are they practicing a pervers act? There is no other reason for their actions. Children raised in an atmosphere of teachings that being a homosexual is normal, is not normal. It would degrade the childs thinking patern into a state of confusion, like all the homosexuals are, and want the children to be. Homosexuals will inherently raise more homosexuals. Monkey see, Monkey do!

dbi is saying that some people are born to lust after their own gender which is an obomination.
Sex, if dbi didn't know, was made by God for man to reproduce not to sodomize each other....
dbi the homos can go down to the cesspool to see their pffspring floating around.

Slydog, who the fk knows what JNYJ, strange, LARGEASSHOLE....all the trolls..have in their
pea brains?? glad I'm not paid to figure it out.
Can't understand why they want to be on this blog, altho they are good for laughs.
I would never dream of signing up to be on a neo-nazi blog........
.....but, that is just me.

Jazzy - he's back!

Cooty alert! Cooty alert! Cooty alert!

Chasv, strange, JNYJ, LARGEASS are taking over!

The 3 inchers are everywhere.

OMG

(And none of them can spell).

Isn't this a fun thread?

I haven't had this much fun since I bought a buttload of Escada half-off at B Barnett! Or was it Barbara Jean? Hard to tell when you're having an acid flashback whilst wielding your AmEx Platinum card.

"Christianity was also illegal under the Roman Empire. " - Slydog

Yes, until it wasn't.

Once Roman Emperor Constantine's Constantinople Congress codified the bible and declared Christianity the state religion, they began slaughtering "infidels" and "heretics," just like every other religion does.

They're still doing it. Only, since they can no longer get away with murder, they're concentrating on making "blasphemers'" lives, especially the lives of gays and lesbians and their children, as miserable as possible by trying to legalize their religious bigotry.

Like they've always done and will continue to do.

What hateful conformists to fascist authority these Xtians really are, underneath their robotic Stepford smiles and "love and peace" posturing.

Is American Family Association founder Donald Wildmon preparing to concede in the war against gays?

"If we lose California, if they defeat the marriage amendment, I'm afraid that the culture war is over and Christians have lost," the Evangelical leader told columnist Bill Berkowitz. "That's just the reality of the fact."

THis has been a really interesting evening. As i sat here reading the posts by strange, JNYJ and chasv I don't think I have ever seen so much ignorance displayed in one place at one time in my life. It is truly amazing because I was under the mistaken impression that the dinosaurs had all died out millions of years ago.........guess I was wrong. At least three are still alive and well on this blog.

Sorry I can't stay up and see more of the ignorance displayed but this old man is tired and is going to hit the sack for the night.

Obviously, being a lefty doesn't make you immune from spelling errors and typos.

I'm still waiting for an ANSWER to my straightforward question.

"Once Roman Emperor Constantine's Constantinople Congress codified the bible and declared Christianity the state religion, they began slaughtering "infidels" and "heretics," just like every other religion does."

Yes, but the next great slaughter will be of Christians and Jews.

It is fairly easy to answer your question, strrangelove, since it is based on a bad comparison. You are saying that pedophilia = homosexuality. Such is not the case.

You're saying homosexuality was once a crime, but now isn't. It used to be a crime to be poor, for a man to harbor a runaway slave, to be Jewish, to speak Italian, to drink or sell alcohol in America, for a black man to be out after dark, etc.

We mainly make things criminal that violate the personal rights and space of others. (I'm no lawyer, so forgive me for such a simplistic definition). You state that homosexuality is a perversion when in actuality your bible only says that it is forbidden.

Rabbi Navon says, "This insight is foreign to many seculars. Regrettably, it's also foreign to many religious. Many religious people think that if the Torah forbade homosexual relationships, it is necessarily because homosexuality is a despicable and unnatural perversion. Yet our faith in the Creator requires us to recognize that we cannot grasp the depth of his considerations. There are many bans in the Torah that do not feature any deviation from nature. For us, on the most primal level, we must not say that "it's forbidden because it's unnatural," but rather, it's forbidden because it's forbidden. "

In other words it is a religious view, not a legal view. You often warn of the Muslim terrorists making us follow their laws. Among those laws is one making homosexuality a perversion. Are you saying that you'd prefer the Muslim way?

Homosexuality, unlike pedophilia, is not a mental disorder. Gay men are no more likely than heterosexual men to be pedophiles. Most pedophiles are heterosexual. Homosexuality is a choice, not a crime. It's similar to choosing between being left-handed or right-handed and doing what feels most natural for your body.

It may not be a sin to be born black, but the Bible takes a very friendly attitude toward slavery, frequently commanding slaves to obey their masters in both the Old and New Testaments. If we followed the Bible to the letter, without picking and choosing, slavery would still be a respected institution, women would still be completely subject to the authority of their husbands, divorce would be outlawed, and adultery would be punishable by stoning-for the woman, anyway.

The old joke says the religious right is neither. I'm afraid it's still true.

Strangelove, when Jesus Christ was asked what was the greatest commandment, he answered, "HEAR O' ISRAEL. LOVE THE LORD THY GOD, WITH ALL THY HEART, WITH ALL THY SOUL, WITH ALL THY SPIRIT. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. ON THESE HANG ALL THE LAWS, THE PROPHETS, & THE COMMANDMENTS." Saint Matthew 22:37-40

Now, there are many things Jesus Christ, only begotten Son of God, part of the blessed and holy Trinity. Yet nowhere....nowhere does he condemn, speak out, or even mention homosexuality.

So pray tell, dear Strangelove, who are you....the creation....one to add to the words of the creator. I remind you of what Revelations 22:18-19 says clearly. I warn you to read those words carefully.

Also, I think you should go to http://www.SoulForce.org/

The fact remains that your lies and your bastardization of the sacred texts of God no longer find favor with many.

Homosexuality is not the same thing as Pedophilia. The Association of Psychiatric Medicine agrees with me on this premise.

You can call homoseuality a perversion until you're blue in the face and the only thing that will be true is that your face is blue.

For those who want to read it, there is a wonderful justification andwell-reasoned argument for Christians to accept homosexuality. It calls homosexuals the new "Gentile- Christians" referring to early Christian times when many biblical laws were overturned for the Gentiles in order to reflect more Christian principles.

For homosexuals marriage and its many legal benefits are the Holy Grail. Gays know that most people disapprove of gay marriage - it's an abomination to many. The only way to get it legally is to use the courts to thwart the will of the people. Let's be perfectly honest about the amendment. Very very few gays are interested in adopting anything other than a lily white perfect baby. This amendment has more to do with blocking gay marriage in the future than adoptions/foster parents. If you want to block gay marriage, it logically follows that you have to block gay adoptions.

It's sad because there are probably around 20 gay or lesbian couples in the state of Arkansas who would be competent parents, and I hate to see them denied. However, gays and lesbians see adoption as a legal stepping stone to marriage.

Acts 10:28

He said to them, "You know better than most that a Jew is strictly forbidden to associate with a Gentile or visit him; but God has taught me to call no one unholy or unclean."

I'm still waiting for an ANSWER to my straightforward question.
Posted by: strangelove<<<

Do you run your life on anecdotal evidence? Few on here do. You gave one example of homos being murdering pedofiles. One. That's as thin as piss on a rock.

"Here are the facts about child abuse, Strangelove. Direct from the DHS Child Services Division.

What's the most prevalent form of child abuse?

Oh, right. I forgot, Strange. You don't know because you don't inform yourself.

It's "neglect." Almost 60% of child abuse is neglect. Followed by physical abuse, psychological abuse and, finally, sexual abuse.

Sexual abuse of children constitutes exactly 5% of all child abuse.

Of THAT 5% . . . 95% is heterosexual men victimizing underage girls. That's right. 5% of child sexual abuse is homosexual.
NormaBates.

Looks as if you've had your ass handed to you by a girl.
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Pretty sad when Amerian citizens "holy grail" is simply hoping to someday have the right affirmed by the State to be able to see their loved ones in the hospital.. and stuff like that.

I swear it feels more and more like we are worse than our imagination allows us to think radical islam is.

"Homosexuality is a choice, not a crime." - Jake da Snake

Your statement is a lie, Jake. Homosexuality is neither a choice nor a crime (anymore).

Thought you were more intelligent than that statement.

Guess not.

Forgive me for spending the evening watching a way too filthy movies with my kids who I spawned using strictly heterosexual sexual acts. Super Bad is funny, but gee...I remember sitting in the same room with my parents 35 years ago watching The Wizard of Oz.....my how times have changed.

Our wingnut friends have failed to change with the times. They're still spouting garbage from the most schizophrenic book ever written, The Holy Bible. How come you never talk about the daughters in that book trying to scoop up some of their father's seed. We call it sperm these days and even those old pornographers, Scooter Libby and Mrs. Dick Cheney didn't stick daddy sperm hunts in their trash books. The Bible is full of the most twisted shit ever written, most of it so mixed up it has no meaning or it has any meaning a hater wants to give it. Forget banning Hustler......that crazy Bible ought to go.

I scrolled up and I'll be damned if I can find hater/strangelove's straightforward question. Your question is queer strange......If you are saying that if you dig hard enough you can find where a gay person or a gay couple has committed a crime, any crime....I'm 100% sure many can be found. No one said every gay person was hunky dory, like all straight people aren't so wonderful either.....so what's your point? There's some pervert school teachers in the world, does that make you one? How many preachers and priests have been caught with their penises in the wrong hole? Every example of human being can be fitted with a horrible crime. My kids figured that kind of shit out about the 7th grade. Why not you?

You haters just can't quit hating. I know a very nice man who was a hero in WWII and yet he grabbed my arm and told me as serious as cancer that America is gone if that nigger gets in. As good as he's been all his life, he just can't let go of his hatred for black people. What a sad bunch of hateful old man you 4 or 5 are. I wish like hell you could listen to the things your friends and relatives are gonna say as they file past your casket. You're blind to what you look like to the world. Your type is far more dangerous to humanity than gay couples. The only bright spot is that in a few years you dinosaurs will be gone. I wish for your sake, I believed in a burning hell.

Hate on, cause I know you will anyway. But as pride goeth before a fall, somehow, some way your hate is going to come back on you. I sincerely hope you each have a long rest home stay in your future. Be sure to advertise your views there.....as loud as you can. Oh don't worry, God will protect you.....trust me fellers.....

Thank you, DBI.

I lost a dear and truly beloved Aunt a few years ago. We'd stopped speaking in her final months. Not on my part, but hers. All my life, she and I had talked about EVERYTHING. One night on the phone, we were engaged in a discussion of same-sex marriage and the same religious arguments against interracial marriage that finally ended in 1967 with Loving vs. Virginia.

"Same-sex marriage is different," she said.

"Really? How?" I asked.

"My blood pressure monitor is going up. I have to hang up now." And she did.

Later, her son (my cousin) asked me what had happened.

I told him and he said, "But she was 84."

Here's what I heard myself say.

"That's the weakest excuse I've ever heard, for bigotry. She had 84 years to find out the truth. Did she? No. She bought the bullshit she was taught in church since she was a child and never thought to investigate it for herself. She was willing to vote against equal rights for all Americans according to her bigotry. Look. She was a wonderful woman. A wonderful wife and mother. A community leader. Yet in the end she learned NOTHING about her religion and where it originated? She never questioned her beliefs or her bigotry? At 84 she died believing the same crap she was taught at 5?"

Who was it? Bette Davis? Who said, in "All About Eve," "I detest cheap sentiment?"

Old age is no excuse for bigotry.

In fact, bigotry of any kind in old age is self-damning.

You've learned NOTHING in all your years? Never asked questions? Never investigated?

Then what the fuck is the purpose of your 84 years if you die a bigot?

Lessons I learned from this thread:

Home schooled people can't spell, and they spend a lot of time in closets.

"The only people who should be adopting children are a man and woman who are married to each other."

But they're not. There are children that need adopting. Leaving a child without any parent is a perversion.

Sorry Norma. It was a typo I didn't get.

I meant to say homosexuality is a choice NOT a crime.

mea culpa/

Ooops, I just aint awake yet. I do stand corrected. Are you certain that for all people, that homosexuality does not involve choice?

No need to cast aspersions on intelligence either because of one statement. I'm sure you're not perfect either Norma, so calm down a bit and be a bit more civil. If I misspoke, understand it was in the heat of battle. I'm open to information proving me wrong or correcting me (most of the time, at least) and appreciate the thought, if not the gesture accompanying it.

See you after breakfast when I'm more awake. It's the wife's 60th so we got to do it up big!!

"slavery was never considered a criminal act. You can't compare the two..."--strange

I can compare the two because you said this: 'Homosexuals were once considered criminals by the state' in grasping for something to substantiate your nonsensical correlation between pedophilia and homosexuality. There have been many, many horrid, inhumane laws against minorities/women in our, well, colorful history. So bringing up a horrid law from years ago means diddly.

"I am talking about the right of any child to be able to understand that homosexuality is considered one of the worst perversions in this world. A child has the right to be taught the truth that Homosexuality cannot be correct, as the sexual act is for mating purposes in the context of breeding. Homosexuals cannot breed, then why are they practicing a pervers act? There is no other reason for their actions..."--JNYJ

And we are patiently (extremely so) reminding you and yours that labeling homosexuality as perverse is just your personal (and more than likely religion derived) opinion...just like me thinking most Republicans are mean, prejudiced, women-hating, god-using, hypocritical money-loving old farts (and Ieven base my opinion on my talks with my goddess, like y'all).

Yes, a child should be taught the truth...about the age of the earth, homosexuality, gender, sexuality, birth control, Monkeyboy, Republicans, Lu Hardin...

Obviously...to most of us sex is more about fun/human need than breeding...thank you goddess!!!! So that only-screw-to-breed crap has no place outside of a few extreme religions.