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Well, it is obvious from the reading that America needs to ensure the Clinton legacy.

I encourage everyone to stand up for the Man from Hope (Peace Be Upon Him): Vote McCain '08!

there are many different kinds of racism, with varying degrees of each.

using (emphasis on) public perceptions/inclinations of racism for political advantage is one form of which i would say Bill is guilty (not just this year either)

there are worse forms, including the "soft bigotry of low expectations".
but when it comes to politics, one person's 'hardball' can be anothers 'racism'.
playing hardball in such a way is fine, but when you lose, you must more than make up for it.

so far, imo, Bill has not.

The next few weeks will show this Democrat just how sincerely Obama wishes to win this election. Continuing to wink and nod at the rhetoric of his supporters that some women are mad because Hillary didn't win, and that those who oppose him are racist, won't gain him anymore votes or anymore supporters. He may have reached his ceiling with that tactic. He knows the Clintons are not racist and I would hope he is smart enough to know the anger rises from those charges of racism, not losing the nomination, so he should move quickly and take the air out of that issue. There are still Democrats and even some Republicans who had decided to support Hillary out of desperation that can be swayed to support him, if he will stop his supporters from playing the 'woe is us, our candidate is black' card. He doesn't need Bill Clinton to like him, but he does need Clinton supporters to vote for him.

It's all up to Obama. He outpoliticked the Clintons on the issue of race, let's hope he doesn't "that's my story and I'm sticking with it" till he loses the election.

Every posting on this blog by people like eLwod & muleboy just stiffens my resistance to anything Obama. Calling Bill Clinton a racist in any guise is an unforgivable affront and every time you do it muley you just drive more & more long time Democrats away.

Every posting on this blog by people like eLwod & muleboy just stiffens my resistance to anything Obama. Calling Bill Clinton a racist in any guise is an unforgivable affront and every time you do it muley you just drive more & more long time Democrats away.

There is a reason politicians don't generally go to prisons and campaign for the convicted rapist and murderers vote. And there is a reason politicians who stand a chance at garnering my vote don't go on more than one Rush Limbaugh type of show in order to specifically gain/encourage the bigot vote. Watching an ex president lower himself to the bottom tier of his spouses campaign in order to do exactly that for months on end in small towns and on radio... it simply amazes me there ever need be a question mark near the two words - Clinton and racist. If he's not, he sure played one on my TV/internet to an oscar winning level this year.

There may be various levels of racism, but Bill's active promotion and Hillary's allowance of Bill's tactics -encouragement of basing a ballot decision on racist terms crosses that a line of whether or not one is being racist to me. .. in the same way the Clintons support of anti choice Mark Pryor crosses a line of whether or not the Clintons themselves are pro or anti choice... what difference does it make anymore... we knew voting for either Clinton or Pryor will be tolerating federalist appointments and near future no choice decisions/laws.

Hell no Bill ain't racist. And, tarring the Clintons as racists is the worst crap to come out of the Obama and Republican camps. Obama's part was especially outrageous because it was so unnecessary...given the Clintons have PLENTY of crap they deserve to have slung their way. But now, it's the Kool-Aid drinkers like, red, (piss buckets upon him), who're stirring all that racism crap...projection, I believe it's called.

>> So he spoke a calculated fact...which was that Jesse Jackson had won big in South Carolina, too. << -- John Brummett

Of course Bill Clinton is not a racist. He is a politician -- and a darned good one. I have long thought that the reason the Republicans hate him so is that he out-smarted all of them. And, yes, it seems hard for him to get over being out-smarted.

What is surprising, IMO, is that Clinton apparently missed the difference between Barack Obama, a candidate who is black, and Jesse Jackson, a Black candidate. Matt Bai pointed out in a NYT Magazine piece published yesterday that they are of different generations of Black leadership, and Obama can be seen as an ambassador TO the Black community, not just a representative OF the Black community. Some of Hillary's strongest, most enduring support from Black leaders came from those, like the young Mayor of Philadelphia, who figured that there is not a Black way and a White way to fill a pot-hole. It is significant that Obama is strongest among young people, both Black and White, who seem able to stop thinking of him as "the Black candidate" just because he is black.

Like I said the Dem party will Implode before November. We now find out that Edwards was lying and the media covered it up. The LIE cost Hillary the win in Iowa. Thanks to John Edward's LIE we now have Barack Hussin Obama. Hillary would have won Iowa if Edwards LIE had been exposed. But just like the Dems said during Billy's big lying days "It was just SEX". DEMS are so TWO FACED!
Right back at ya, DEM party. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Obama is a JOKE! Mud once agian on Billy and Hilly from within thier own party.

No. He is no racist. It sure looked like he was making a political calculation to try to marginalize Obama by discounting his vote in South Carolina. The sad truth may just be that he didn't know to keep his mouth shut on his opinion about South Carolina because there was no way to slice it that didn't sound racist. The boy is so anxious to share his opinion he has developed a bit of a tin ear.

He's no racist. Just an old politician who likes to hear his own voice a bit too much. It happens.

It is time for a new generation. Obama?

Take a deep breath Billary, it ain't goin' happen.

The question is what did The Symbol (Peace Be Upon Him) know and when did He (PBUH) know it?

The word out of Politico on Saturday was that Edwards' hand was forced because he was not going to be announced as a speaker in Denver, begging the question why - which the reporters would have jumped on.

Obviously, The Messiah's (PBUH) minions whiffed a foul stench coming from North Carolina. They key is when? Did The Citizen of the World (PBUH) know this during Iowa? Did He (PBUH) hold this information from the voters to kill Hillary!'s candidacy?

Surely, The One (PBUH) would not have made a political calculation. That is not "Change We Can Believe In" (Peace Be Upon It).

Is John Edwards still on the ballot? What about all the McAffairs... and the constant ignoring of McCains horrific life and nasty relationship with women? Which is also demonstrated in his voting record resulting in a zero rating on all things women related by the likes of NARAL.

We know McCain had at least one mistress while married... he left his first wife (recovering from serious injury)for the mistress he already had.. and what about Mcloveydovey lobbyist Vikki Iseman (sp?)

McRunamok is on the ballot and is also a hypocrite.. so is every Mcsupporter who continues to ignore that while pointing a finger at anything but their own woman hating war criminal fascist party and its leadership.

Fletch,

Sweet Cheeks, It's alreay started to happen!

The Dems motto needs to be, "It's not your enemies that will screw you, but your friends." Billy and Hilly know this all two well.

Obama will be torn to pieces come the election. And it's not Bill that's the racist, Its Obama. Let's set the record straight. He has used the race card at every turn.

Eureka,

Call down now baby. I know its not fun seeing your DEM bunch imploding. It was your gang that coined the phrase "it was just sex". So calm your jets. We are talking about the Dem party and you had to inject McCain in the fray. Let's get it right. McCain is a Repub and Obama, Clinton, and Edwards are DEMS. Its the DEMS that are doing it to themselves. Kind of like incest.

And so the AR Red KKK brigade arrives.. to tell us all about racism... with his favorite modern day swastikas... The online lies and cyber-lynching continues.

http://services.newsweek.com/search.aspx?q=Author:^%22christopher%20dickey%22$&sortDirection=descending&sortField=pubdatetime&offset=0&pageSize=10

people like Dent Myers, a relic collector and self-caricaturing bigot in Kennesaw, Ga., north of Atlanta. (His shop, Wildman's, is full of the crazy literature of the unreconstructed South, as well as guns, swords, Ku Klux Klan hoods and scurrilous bumper stickers.) Dent argues that when Southerners criticize Obama, "They say, 'He's a Muslim, he's a mulatto Muslim, or quadroon Muslim . [only because] they don't want to use the old N word."

When did I bring up racism?

I asked for Peace for Bubba and "Change".

Are you implying Bubba is racist, or even the concept of "Change"?

Wow, you have gone off the deep-end.

I like sex.. sex is good, none of these people would lose my vote over sex.. it's only the GOPer nuts.. who hate sex and use sex to try and impeach people who are the hypocrites, all the while the only candidate on the ballot with questionable sexual history that we absolutely know about.. is John "calls his former mistress, now second wife a c*nt in public" McCain".

Sex doesn't divide Dems.may be a source of disappointment at times, but as eLwood frequently points out.. after all Bill went through and put the party through... he left office in the low or mid 60 approvals... to bad he went and turned into a racist this year...begging and wallowing in the mud with Limbaugh pigs for the Billary and A Red vote. Lot of good it did for the Clintons and the party.

Hi ARed,

Back to your usually learned discourse, I see.

". . . Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices in their hearers in the intent that an invoked bad name will cause hearers to construct a negative opinion about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish hearers to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When employed, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits. . . ."

And Billary's relatives must be spinning in theiir graves to hear complaint because the Clintons were smeared by someone other than a Republican, GASP!

Mean and Stupid.

Typical Republicans.

Ha, I guess some Repubs do have a sense of humor...as demonstrated by them lecturing ANYONE, much less liberals, about racism, sexism, ism, ism and ism. The Republican Party, after all, is the original good ole rich white male club. Sure, we've got our flaws, our issues we struggle with, but COMPARED to the Grand Old Geezers...we're color/gender blind.

I smell desperation from the old fogies.

And, Obama ought to jump all over that racist crap...defend Bill, defend all his Democratic brothers/sisters...compare voting records on issues of race/gender with McSame. Have a big ole, country-wide conversation about racism/sexism with 'Cunt' McSame. The Republicans would scurry from the sunlight...or maybe achieve Enlightenment.

To see a country torn apart by pettiness, spite and hatefulness, one only has to read this thread (excepting a few posts). You wonder why there's no unity in the country? No civility? No compromise? No greatness, anymore? Are you not alarmed at yourselves?

Peace Be Upon You.

As long as there is no justice, there cannot be peace.

Justice demands that the Republican party be destroyed as the criminal enterprise it has become.

Unity? Civility? Compromise? Wave we EVER seen those attributes coming from the Bush administration? They have polarized the nation for the sake of political advantage, and they can now reap what they have sown.

The people who said Clinton's remarks in SC were racist are the racist ones.

He simply referred to the fact that even Jessie Jackson won SC also due to the black vote. Now if Obama was a liberal white candidate, and Clinton had discounted a win because another liberal won a certain state but lost the race, would that have been ok? Sure. Pointing out the fact that Jessie Jackson and Obama won SC because of black support is not racist. Claiming a white man is racist every time he talks about the effects of race is racist.

>>And, Obama ought to jump all over that racist crap...defend Bill, defend all his Democratic brothers/sisters...compare voting records on issues of race/gender with McSame.<<

I've said before - it would take him 5 min to solidfy the party, get ALL the votes and shut McCain down - only ego seems to prevent that. He should do just what you suggest, but so far he seems content to feign a tepid support for those who opposed him in the primary and ride the race card wave, which crested a while back. To grow his support, he has to chuck that and tell his loyal lovers to STFU because they cost him support everytime they start they open their mouths.

Yeah, silverbells, I'm disgusted with myself; disgusted that I allowed America to torture, to create Guantanamo, and to turn the Constitution into 'just a piece of paper. I'm also pretty disgusted with the un-American zealots who still defend President Shit for Brains. Who in the face of overwhelming logic/science/history/facts still back the destruction, incompetency and greed of Cheney et al because, well, WHO THE HELL KNOWS WHY.

But it's special to know that the last seven years occurred because of a lack of civility on our part. We'd only known that that's what the Bush Cabal wanted all along...

'If we'd only known...'

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Mean and Stupid.
Typical Republicans.

yep and....

Mean and Smart.
Typical Democrats.

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Tax and Spend = Democrats (Clinton being the exception)

Tax-cut and Spend = Republicans

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And...

Since all tax cuts that don't include equal spending cuts increase the debt, in the long-term Republicans tax-cut and spend policies will eventually lead to even higher taxes than the Democrats.

I am a mean Democrat.. I am mad as hell at what's happened to my country and I am not going to take it anymore.

Any and all political meanness I learned, I learned exclusively from Republicans. Only Baptists and school yard bullies in early years taught me about the same meanness the GOP demonstrates as war criminals and the same old bigots today. From the very first GOP convention I attended as 19 year old.. Initially intended to be more as an observer than a protestor. The uncivil, downright rude treatment I received from Reagan Republicans in the Anatole Hotel in Dallas made me the protester I am today. I came home and ran for public office. In less than six weeks and for under 100 dollars, I threw a mean bum (directly connected to a mean corrupt old banker Bush Daddy would eventually pardon) out.

Pearl clutchers often have their place, but in todays environment.. pearl clutchers end up supporting or allowing Mark Pryors and the GOP to lead them down a very dangerous anti constitutional path. It's time to stand up and say no more. Say it loud!

No, ES you are a mean and bitter liberal.

Every posting on this blog by people like eLwod & muleboy just stiffens my resistance to anything Obama.<< 71%er

Well you're ok for now. Just don't get too stiff when Drew Pritt blogs. But, if that's your cup of tea, swallow it. I've never inferred that either Clinton is racist. I've just said repeated that the Clintons hate losing. I was working on Campaign Clinton when he ran against John Paul Hammerschmidt for the 3rd Congressional district. He lost. Not a happy camper. Notta. He never takes it in stride, never.

In case you missed it I'm not voting Obama.
eLwod

Zelda, I enjoy your posts. Which is not the point, of course. But -- more to the point -- the lack of civility, I agree, has not created the peril we are now facing.

But lack of civility will most certainly prevent us from solving it.

It's a diversion, this blog-happy spitwad throwing. Don't we need a grass roots organization that moves directly in on the issues we are so concerned about? Is there one that identifies our concerns directly? It seems that everyone is too busy being "engaged" in venting or rebutting.

Edward R. Murrow did not spew. Is my point. Look what he accomplished by not becoming emotionally entangled. Yes, the destruction occurs while we sit, feeling helpless.

But what are we gonna DO about it? Post to a freaking blog?

Still wondering where Billary was on the Huckabuck thread yesterday....what...no defense of your god Huckabuck?

I'm so over John Edwards penis...aren't you?

If there was such a thing as an honesty pill and we all took it, we'd find out that everyone over 30, 35, 40....I don't know, somewhere in there, is racist. We may do a great job of hiding it, I know I generally do, but it's hiding there because your childhood put it there. I was reminded of my own last night while at the Taco Bell window. A very nice, very polite, very well spoken, good looking black man about 20 was giving me my order thru the window. The last thing was the drinks. Seeing I had a large order and I was the only one in the car, he asked if I'd like a drink carrier, you know a lot of them don't give a damn and you'd think those cardboard drink carriers costs 25 dollars a piece.

Anyway, I had order 1 Pepsi, 1 Sprite, and 2 waters. As he was handing the 4 drinks thru the window in the drink carrier he started to point out the drinks. I thought oh man....you stupid black guy...I can tell the one dark brown Pepsi from the other clear drinks! Dumb dumb dumb! Then he said, this on on the front left is the Sprite. Sprite....clear like water....DUH......now whose the dumb one?

I felt like shit! I still feel like shit! I felt so bad I came home and told my non-racist children exactly what I had done. They were outraged....and of course carried on a little more than I liked, but I deserved it and more. Goddamn it....I am most racist when I'm at a drive-thru window. I've gotten home so many times with part of my food order missing. And true or not....in my mind I think it happens most often when a black person is in the window. And I know I'm wrong and I work at it nearly every day and yet I'm afraid I've achieved my least racist level and it still sucks!

I didn't think Clinton's remarks were racist when he talked about Jackson winning South Carolina, because Jackson won SC way back then because of the black vote. It's history. Looking back on all the mess, I'm sorry Clinton even brought it up, and I bet he is too. But anyone who has ever known Bill Clinton knows he's not a racist....well....he and I are as least racist as we can be for our age, but Clinton would never do anything to disrespect a black person and neither would I. Last night I at least had the good manners to keep a smiling face and my mouth shut instead of hollering, Hey stupid....I can tell the Pepsi from the waters......boy....I'm so embarrassed, but at least the kid had no idea what I was thinking in my dinosaur brain. Damn me!

Bill Clinton hates to lose and you can bet he's still thinking of a way to turn the tables on Obama. This is a surprise to anyone in Arkansas??? The very very very best thing that could happen for the world is for Obama and the Clintons to join forces. The very best American to send out to mend our fences with the rest of the world starting in 2009 is Bill Clinton. I don't care what title you give him, there is the man that can start making the world like us again. Obama doesn't need a Dan Quale as his running mate, it will take a Good Cheney to help Barry with all the wreckage caused by the Bad Cheney.

Hello, my name is DBI and I am a racist.......

Maybe this can be a support group. Thanks for kicking it off, DBI. I'm a racist too. I have prejudicial thoughts about other ethnic groups probably on a daily basis. I think either some of the people here aren't being honest with themselves or they're much better people than I am. I won't rule out either.

Edward R. Murrow did not spew.<<

It's true, he did not. But that was then. That was when President Eisenhower could have a quiet affair with his mistress and not be sent to hell by 15 screaming lunatic evangelicals on TV and radio. That was when the President was not hearing voices in his head telling him to attack other nations. It was a different time. Scientists were respected not ridiculed by uneducated religio-wack nuts because they believe differently. School curriculums were not under attack for teaching what is basic science.
There were no Lying Limbaughs either. No FIXED News twisting people into unwarranted fear-robots.
Newspapers were newspapers. TV news was sane.
Everyone who was worth over $1000 had a fallout shelter. No one mentioned it on TV.

I wouldn't call Slick Willy a racist but I wouldn't hesitate to call him a Friggin Idiot!

Yes thanks DBI. How do we design a 12-Step Program for self-acknowledging racists? I think America needs it. I know I could take my turn in the circle telling tales of how much I hated SE Asians, and the Hindu who fucked over my car in 1979 and I distrusted all of them since.

RA, Racists Anonymous, will meet at 7:00 pm at the St.? Episcopal Community Center. About time.
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Well, it looks like Mary Landrieu might be a racist.

Peace Be Upon Her.

"...Edward R. Murrow did not spew. Is my point. Look what he accomplished by not becoming emotionally entangled. Yes, the destruction occurs while we sit, feeling helpless.

But what are we gonna DO about it? Post to a freaking blog? "--silver bells

But, silver, that assumes that ALL we do is post on blogs. From personal experience (aside from my own activist life), I know that many blog contributors (Dem and Repub) are VERY active within their communities doing what they can to help their fellow humans and the world. And, I thank the blog/etc. every time I write/email one of my reps because I've usually learned something here or elsewhere in Internet Land.

Mostly, however, I use the blog as ventilation to keep government agents from showing up at my door 'cause I told my reps EXACTLY what I thought about them and their treason. It's safer to write that stuff here. Plus many of the posters on this blog are LOL hilarious.

I really don't feel helpless. At the end of the day, we have to be satisfied with doing whatever we could...or just blow our brains out from the futility of it all.

"Fate put (Bill Clinton) on the wrong side of the political-racial dynamic of 2008. He got Barack-ed. Obviously, it's about to eat him alive." --- Johnny Brummett

So true; and it brings to mind another quote, this one from Robert Frost:

"No memory of having starred
Atones for later disregard
Or keeps the end from being hard."

I'll take mean and bitter liberals over the fascist hypocritical party of David Vitter for 500 Alex.

Silver Bells? What's your pleasure? There are lots and lots of things to do and ways to do it these days.

You want to raise funds?
Organize candidates, recruit or train them?
Work on changing/setting policy in specific areas?
More generalized help in organizing on the grass roots level?
Other?

There are lots of very civil (moderated) action oriented web sites out there. I know of many. Perhaps I could direct you towards a few if you could give me an idea of what you are looking for.

Just in Time for the AT blog Is Clinton a Racist???

Inside Hilary Campaign emails reveal somebody in there was racist:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton's one-time chief strategist wanted to attack Sen. Barack Obama for lacking "American roots" during the Democratic primary battle, according to a magazine article set to come out next week.
"All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared towards showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting that in a new light. Save it for 2050," Mark Penn, then Clinton's chief strategist, wrote in a March 2007 memo, according to an article to be published in the September edition of The Atlantic magazine, which hits newsstands August 19.

"It also exposes a very strong weakness for him -- his roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values," Penn wrote, according to the article by Joshua Green.

Green noted that Clinton did not pursue the strategy Penn suggested during the contentious Democratic primary battle, which resulted in Obama defeating the former first lady and locking up their party's presidential nomination.
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>>Well, it looks like Mary Landrieu might be a racist.
Peace Be Upon Her.<<
Arkansas Red

Well, seems Arkansas Red (Piss be Upon Him) doesn't realize the Girls Night Out:Lipstick, Laughter and Libations, is being held same time as the preliminary committees meet at Democratic National Convention in Denver. Is it possible a U.S. Democratic Senator is expected to attend?

Jake Tapper's blog is off-key. He should have caught that one.

A fresh new grass roots organization is what I'd like to see, Eureka.

Let's pinpoint the most pressing perils at the moment. Somebody else pitch in here. I'm not smart enough.

Arkansas Red (Piss be Upon Him) also doesn't realize that Mary Landrieu is much more on his side than she is mine. She is the Louisiana version of Mark W. Pryor.....OK....let's call her the Louisiana version of Blanche Lincoln cause she casts a Bush vote way too often to be called a Democrat. Besides, excuse me jazzy, we all know them folks down south of us are crazy as bedbugs.

As much improvement as I need, I am proud that I've raise 2 daughters without a racist bone in their bodies. But since I know my life history and theirs too, I can say with confidence that they didn't grow up in the same world I did. I didn't know a black kid until I was in the 4th grade, I didn't know a Catholic until I was in the 9th grade. I didn't see a Vietnamese until 1975 or a Mexican until about 10 years ago. Plus there weren't any black people in church or on TV, hardly any in any movies I went to see.

My parents didn't sit around talking about how bad black people were, but I grew up sharing their opinion that Martin Luther King was a damn trouble maker. We didn't want him dead, but no tears were shed at my house the day he was killed. It's been a long strange journey to where I am today and I think anyone over 50 can say the same thing.

We don't know that chasv wasn't cornered and beat to a pulp by a gang of blacks in 1961. We don't know why he's so racist. Mine comes from not having contact and developing my own ideas about black people. And since they all lived on the bad side of town in shacks and drove beat up old cars.....I can see how I thought there was something wrong with them. Never once did it occur to me that lack of opportunity was the problem.

Anyway....it's all far too complicated to put in a blog posting or 12 dozen of em. We should just be smart enough to know things go better when one group or the other aren't shoved in a hole, mistreated and ignored. Funny how so many white folks in our area thought and did horrible things to, first the Indians, then the black people, then the Vietnamese and now the Mexicans. Anyone else see a pattern?

Bubba a racist? Heck no. Bubba loves anyone that can vote for him. He is just a good old fashioned pragmatic politician. Why he is a genius. Look at the great job he did for hillary. Yea, a real genius.

Your girls aren't racist. Good! Do they practice ageism? How do they feel about people who are old?

DBI, I think Landreiu, also a member of the former gang of fourteen deseves to be lumped in with Pryor, more than Lincoln... it's that choice and federalist judge approving both Mark and Mary have which keep them much closer to Bushco than Blanche.

Though Blanche votes with Republicans at a very high ratio.

Silver Bells,

A few champions at identifying and working on problems are below

http://www.mydd.com/

http://www.openleft.com/

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/

firedoglake.com

Other honorable mentions

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/