Arkansas Blog

If BHO keeps raising money like a whore on Wall Street then he will likely dump some on the Ark media just to force cash-strapped McBush to do the same and perhaps force the trollop-loving McCain to raise the ante.

How dare you call The Messiah (Peace Be Upon Him) a "whore."

You're right Red and I do ask forgiveness. It should have read:

"Like a gay whore at a Republican Convention"

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I have NEVER voted for a republican. I will not make Mcslayer the first one . I told a person i am close to that I will vote for Obama, but it is without any feeling.

Well, it's obvious to me, eLwood, that you have ties to the KKK (as per Eureka's rules).

You hinted at The One's (Peace Be Upon Him) middle name with His (PBUH) initial, making you guilty of using "the modern-day N-word."

You called Him (PBUH) a whore, which is obviously a place-holder for the "N-word."

You then called The Symbol (PBUH) gay, which is another place-holder.

Shocked, I say.

I'd much rather vote for Hillary but I'll vote for Obama over McCain. I can't see myself actively campaigning for him though. Sorry but not after the way the Clintons were (and are still) treated by his supporters and him.

I can't even get close friends and family members to vote for him anyway, and I've always been successful at swaying them in the past. I think the best thing he could do here is target younger voters and black voters and make sure they turn out to vote in large numbers.

Buried racism? Where?

On a per capita basis, Arkansas may well lead the nation in the number of coffee shops where the word "nigger" is spoken aloud on Saturday mornings.

If we deny our racism to reporters from Noo Yawk, you have to keep in mind that wonderful title from Vance Randolph: "We Always Lie to Strangers."

"Buried racism"

That would be a very shallow grave unfortunately.

obama yo mama is a WIMP. That pretty much summarizes his nature. Men know it and will have a great deal of problem voting for him. I can't see him overcoming it. Between his wife and hillary I really don't know how he can reinstate his manhood.

eLwood, sir, If you don't have anything nice to say about all that big money, or hypocritical republicans.. come sit by me.

It's not just the old and the whites, it's the big money special interests too.

Top CEOs give 10 times more to McCain than to Obama

Published: http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/top-ceos-give-10-times-more-to-mccain-than-to-obama-2008-08-15.html

The top executives of America's biggest companies are more willing to open their wallets for John McCain than his Democratic rival, donating 10 times as much to the Arizona senator's campaign as to Barack Obama's.

Obama's campaign seized on the findings of The Hill's review of campaign finance records to suggest that the gap was due to "special favors" McCain has given corporations.

The presumptive GOP nominee has received $208,200 from the chief executive officers of the 100 biggest Fortune 500 corporations, according to a review of campaign finance reports. Obama has taken in $20,400 from the same group of people.
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Look, grow up. Big business gives to both democrats and republicans.

". . . Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices in their hearers in the intent that an invoked bad name will cause hearers to construct a negative opinion about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish hearers to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When employed, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits. . . "

Name-calling instead of intelligent discourse and tolerance of differing opinions has a long history. Hitler did it, Stalin did it U.S. Citizens and Soldiers did it in War I, War II, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I, Iraq II, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada etc. It's a lot easier to abuse or kill when by calling them "subhumans," "capitalists," "reds," "imperialists," "heinies," "krauts," "japs," "nips," "gooks," "wops," "ragheads," "wogs," etc. You demote them to things instead of people like yourself.

I thought maybe we had learned from the events of the last week how de-humanizing people may result in murder, vicious attacks or torture. I was wrong.

Keep it up ARed, Strangelove, but your goals and methods are clear. You are demoting yourself by spewing denigration and hatred.

"State Senator Mary Anne Salmon, another member of the Arkansas Travelers, said Mr. Obama would have to battle buried racism throughout the South. "

Wow, I'm shocked!!! The racism has been within the Democratic party throughout history.

Just remember fellow bloggers it was a Republican President who sent US troops to Arkansas to desegreagate the schools, established the Civil Rights Commission in 1958 and appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the US Supreme Court which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education desision ending school segregation!!! Remember it was Erval Faubus (D) as Governor who blocked entry to those black high school students? Remember it was Democratic Governor George Wallace who did the same in Alabama?!

President Teddy Roosevelt invited the first African-American (Booker T. Washington) to the White House to dine in 1901....the Democrats in Congress screamed the silverware and china should be destroyed so another person wouldn't have to eat off the plate the n------ ate from!

Mentioning the KKK....Congressional hearings discovered that the Klan was a "terrorist arm of the Democratic Party". You know West Virginia Senator was a "Keagle " in the Klan....he was paid $5 for each new member of the KKK he brought in and yet today he is referred to by Democrats as the "conscicoius of the Senate".....ya'll make me laugh! Why nt learn some real history?

Many, many times in the south white Republicans were lynched along with black men at the same time, from the same tree.....That's where the term "Black Republican" originates.... The NAACP
was founded by Republicans.......

The first African-Americans in Congress were all Republicans...Cong. Robert C. DE Large-S.C., Cong . Jefferson H. Long-GA, US Senators H.R. Revels- MS, Benjamen S. Turner, Alabama- Josiah T. Walls, FL- Joseph H. Rainey, SC and R. Brown Elliott, SC....they all served in the 41st and 42nd Congress!

REal history is fun! Go check it out for yourself.....

Ok, answer my question. Are you saying that there is any difference to the fact that democrats and republicans accept money from big business? Just answer that question instead of pontificating.

Let's remember it was a Republican President who emancipated the slaves.

The perfect example of a self fulfilling prophecy.

Obama isn't the crazy aunt in the attic. In reality, he is the opportunity of a lifetime.

What happened to the 50 state strategy anyway?

The Republican and Democratic partics have evolved over the years, as any historian can tell us. so trying to plead a case for either party based on their actions 50 or more years ago is just stupid.
Let's all examine the last few years and ask ourselves a question: Are we, as Americans, better off today than we were in January 2001? And, do we want more of the same?
Gotta get serious about what is best for the USA, put petty differences and name-callig aside, and vote for the person who will do the best job at restoring America. My granddaughter's future is in our hands.

Yes we are better off today than we were in Jan. 2001.....before then terrorism was allowed to strike and get away with it....unforunately it took 9/11 to get our attention. We have a President who has kept us safe for seven years and that is why your grand daughter has a future as well as mine! If we don't keep this nation safe from Islamic terrorists who want to destroy us, Israel and western civilization, there is no other issue left. We have taken much for granted since we have not been struck again. When 9/11 happened we were told it was not a question of if but when it would happen again. Had you said back then that we've been this far out without another attack you would have been called naive.

I'm not nearly as well off as I was in Jan 2001!!! Who is? I don't have a granddaughter but but daughter is stuck with $40,000 or so in debt from Iraq and that number is increasing daily. She's growing up in a world where America is no longer the respected good guy but seen as a bully by most industrialized nations. And she's growing up in a society where the middle class is disappearing into the poor class as we move toward government by big business for big business.

Islamic terrorists are the least of my worries. I fear Christian fundamentalists much more.

And crazy Republicans who execute Democrats and liberals, because of attitudes like MissNRAs.

Yes we are better off today than we were in Jan. 2001.....before then terrorism was allowed to strike and get away with it....unforunately it took 9/11 to get our attention. We have a President who has kept us safe for seven years and that is why your grand daughter has a future as well as mine! If we don't keep this nation safe from Islamic terrorists who want to destroy us, Israel and western civilization, there is no other issue left. We have taken much for granted since we have not been struck again. When 9/11 happened we were told it was not a question of if but when it would happen again. Had you said back then that we've been this far out without another attack you would have been called naive.

WOW. Who knew there were still people so gullible. Maybe the turgid-blossom pearly mussel isn't extinct either! At last, a reason to hope.

McCain is going to win this election. It's not just the fact that Obama can't get out of the 30's in Arkansas..it's a lot of things.

On the week he did Europe and was flawless ...the race actually got tighter. If his numbers faded that week he has a problem.

Have you seen the new fundraising numbers...suddenly McCain has a ton of money...the donations are rolling in as people start to pay attention.

Now Obama hands his convention over to Hillary. Are you kidding me? He can't stand up to her but he's the guy to make my family safer in a tense world? He's giving Hillary a roll call vote while her supporters take over Denver? Wow....he's being rolled.

And all of this is playing out before McCain has even turned on the war hero tv spots. I know you Hillcrest bloggers simply don't understand this...but those spots are going to make a difference.

Then we have the debates....McCain is not as articulate....but he will come loaded with specifics and policy....and Obama isn't big on that.

The numbers will continue to slowly swing to McCain......by election day it won't be that close...maybe 54-46.

Would one of you yellow dog Dem's explain to me why the statewide elected officials you worship won't go near their own party nominee?

It's going to be fun to watch....it's going to be fun to watch you all fume and bluster here as he piece by piece blows this thing.

WOW! you don't have a grand daughter? So you lied? I am a small business owner....I am better off today and if you looked into how other nation's economic growth were doing you would realize they would be jealous to have the level of unemployment we have!

Crazy Republicans who execute Democrats and liberals? Who are you referring to? I am a Christian that's true....tell me what exactly you are trying to say? I would ask for you to view Obsession the movie at www.obsessionthemovie.com and then tell me you don't fear Islamic radicals who have hijacked the Moslem religion in order to further their views of world domination. We didn't take Hitler serious either until he consumed so much of our friends in Europe. And how many Jewish people?

When you write "And crazy Republicans who execute Democrats and liberals, because of attitudes like MissNRAs. " , you have exposed yourself. That is not a civil discussion or exchange of ideas.

I refuse to get into a spitting contest with anyone, but I have to point out that Osama bin Laden, who was directly responsible for 9/11, is still at large, still plotting against us, probably. Bush played right into his hands, creating terror in the hearts of folks who had no reason to be afraid.
MissNRA, when I asked if we were better off today than in 2001, I meant in the much larger picture, i.e., gas prices, food, housing, world support for the USA, etc., does that help?

When did I say I had a granddaughter? Don't lecture me and call me a liar when you are obviously off your rocker if you are putting words in my mouth. And don't talk about civil discussion when you start off with lies about what I have posted.

Are you saying that a Democrat killed those people in church in Knoxville because they were liberals? Are you saying that a Democrat laughed at stories of dead Democrats and then shot the Democratic Party chairman?
Is that really what you're trying to say?

I actually think it's too easy to dismiss the lack of enthusiasm for Obama on racism. I don't think Arkansas is any more racist than the rest of South, lower percentage of blacks not withstanding. We've consistently elected Democrats who were pretty progressive on race. I don't think they were elected due to their progressive views of race relations, but it certainly wasn't an insurmountable burden either.

I think a larger issue is the Clinton cult that Brummet wrote about months ago. When many of the most liberal Democrats in the state talk about how much they dislike the candidate and that they'll have to hold their nose to vote for him, what incentive do the elected officials have to spend political capital to attempt to get him elected? I don't think these liberals are remotely racist, I just think they are stil caught up in perceived slights to the Clintons. As to why interpersonal issues take precedence over the state of the economy, the war in Iraq, separation of church and state, more progressive tax policies, etc., is beyond me.

NRA I'm just tremblin I tell you, shaking in my sneakers, gonna have to change breeches soon. Sell that fear...Work it girl!

If your Monkey Boy of a president didn't spend 57 days on vacation prior 9/11 and had Dick Cheney not been running war games on Sept 11, 2001 along the East Coast; if they had listened to intelligence briefing rather than spending time in secretive meetings with petro CEOs we may not have been attacked. The evidence indicates the attack could have been prevented.

Am I better off attempting to survive a reckless, irresponsible devaluation of the U.S. dollar? Nope. I did take the advice found in the WSJ a few months ago and stockpiled food.
Are any of us better off facing the highest deficits in American history? Creation of the largest federal bureaucracy in the history of the nation? NO.

Those debts must be paid. Guess who's gonna pay them? Will it be fun? Nope.
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Obama can't win in Arkansas?

Why I thought the Great Zogby had a poll showing Obama leading McCain.

Let's check that out with Zogby's pick in the last election, Governor Asa Hutchinson.

It makes me proud when I see a member of the NRA list all the good deeds done by the Republican Party in the name of Civil Rights. I'm delighted you'll be voting for the first black President this fall, MissNRA! That's it girl! Stand up with your Republican ancestors and help us put Obama in the White House.

I can just see Ike's ghost standing over your shoulder smiling when you mark your ballot for Obama. And now is the perfect time to thank you for being better than that long list of racist Democrats. Announcing to the world that your voting for Obama will lead others to see the light. Bless you!

SINCE PBOH HAS RAISED OVER 300 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS "CAMOPAIGN" , HE MIGHT NEED TO DO THE WONDERFUL, HOPEFUL THING HIS WIFE IS PROUD OF. DONATE LEFT OVER MILLIONS TO THE "POOR WHO HAVE NOT ENOUGH TO EAT, OR A PLACE TO LIVE" IF HE IS REALLY ACTALLY GOING TO "CHANGE" THIS WORLD HE WOULD DO THAT. DONT GIVE ME THIS DEMOCRATS ARE THE "LILTTLE POOR PEOPLE PARTY" BS. IT AINT HAPPENIN. AND MOST OF THE DEMS BELIEVE THAT. GIVE ME A BREAK.. LETS SEE A LIST OF WHO GAVE WHAT AND HOW MUCH.

PEDDLE THAT BS SOMEWHERE ELSE. LIKE THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE. OR ANYWHRE ELSE. THEY SEEM TO YEARN TO HEAR IT.

2 things friend Large, the campaign isn't over. Now isn't the time to give away campaign funds. We will have to wait and see who wins and then see who the loser gifts with his campaign money. So get a copy of My Pet Goat and entertain yourself until the election is over.

The other thing, if you'll get your nurse/cousin/preacher/prison guard to help you, there are several sites on the Internet Tubes that show who has given money to Obama or McCain in the last quarter, and how much they have given. The candidates are required by law to file these reports and none of them are supposed to be hiding money under the rug. Go seek and ye shall find. Don't thank me...it's my duty to help the low information voters.

>>PEDDLE THAT BS SOMEWHERE ELSE. LIKE THE WESTERN PART OF THE STATE. OR ANYWHRE ELSE. THEY SEEM TO YEARN TO HEAR IT.<<

Are you doing mushrooms again LargeAssHole? No one mentioned all the inequities you listed. No one. Are you making up shit? Of course you are. Watch those roons dude. They have few calories but they do get into a blood pressure-razed head. But, if those inequities bother you , all the ones you listed, then join the Green Party.

For all of McCain's vaunted "supporters" raising funds, turns out 75% of his "funds" have come from the RNC and NOT "supporters." Because the RNC wants McCain to be the Bush III Presidency.

Obama's raised FAR more cash than McCain. But I'll let you Google that for yourselves, since I'm tired of providing easy links for simple minds.

Not that it matters, since the RNC is working feverishly to steal yet ANOTHER election any way they can, since they can't "win" legitimately. And Big Bidness is behind them. You know: the giant corporations who pay NO taxes?

But you can Google all that too.

Some more history courtesy of the Wall Street Journal......

The Democrats' Missing History
By JEFFREY LORD
August 13, 2008

As Democrats prepare to nominate Sen. Barack Obama to be the first black president, the Democratic National Committee and its chairman, Howard Dean, have whitewashed the party's horrific and lengthy record of racism. The omission is in the section of the DNC Web site that describes the party's history. The missing history raises the obvious question of whether the Democrats, unable or simply unwilling to put their party on record as taking direct responsibility for one of the worst racial crimes of the ages, will be able to run a campaign free of the racial animosities it has regularly brought both to American presidential campaigns and American political and social life in general.

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What else to make of the official party history as presented by the DNC on its Web site? It is a history so sanitized of historical reality it makes Stalin look like David McCullough.

The DNC Web site section labeled "Party History," linked here2, is in fact scrubbed clean of the not-so-little dirty secret that fueled Democrats' political successes for over a century and a half and made American life a hell on earth for black Americans. Literally, the DNC official history, which begins with the creation of the party in 1800, gets to the creation of the DNC itself in 1848 and then--poof!--the next sentence says: "As the 19th Century came to a close, the American electorate changed more and more rapidly." It quickly heads into a riff on poor immigrants coming to America.

In a stroke, 52 years of Democratic history vanishes. Disappeared faster than the truth in the Clinton administration. Why would this be? Allow me to sketch in a few facts from those missing 52 years. For that matter, lets add in the facts from the party history before and after those 52 years, since they aren't mentioned by the Democrats' National Committee either.

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So what's missing?

. There is no reference to the number of Democratic Party platforms supporting slavery. There were six from 1840 through 1860.

. There is no reference to the number of Democratic presidents who owned slaves. There were seven from 1800 through 1861

. There is no reference to the number of Democratic Party platforms that either supported segregation outright or were silent on the subject. There were 20, from 1868 through 1948.

. There is no reference to "Jim Crow" as in "Jim Crow laws," nor is there reference to the role Democrats played in creating them. These were the post-Civil War laws passed enthusiastically by Democrats in that pesky 52-year part of the DNC's missing years. These laws segregated public schools, public transportation, restaurants, rest rooms and public places in general (everything from water coolers to beaches). The reason Rosa Parks became famous is that she sat in the "whites only" front section of a bus, the "whites only" designation the direct result of Democrats.

. There is no reference to the formation of the Ku Klux Klan, which, according to Columbia University historian Eric Foner, became "a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party." Nor is there reference to University of North Carolina historian Allen Trelease's description of the Klan as the "terrorist arm of the Democratic Party."

. There is no reference to the fact Democrats opposed the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments to the Constitution. The 13th banned slavery. The 14th effectively overturned the infamous 1857 Dred Scott decision (made by Democratic pro-slavery Supreme Court justices) by guaranteeing due process and equal protection to former slaves. The 15th gave black Americans the right to vote.

. There is no reference to the fact that Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866. It was passed by the Republican Congress over the veto of President Andrew Johnson, who had been a Democrat before joining Lincoln's ticket in 1864. The law was designed to provide blacks with the right to own private property, sign contracts, sue and serve as witnesses in a legal proceeding.

. There is no reference to the Democrats' opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1875. It was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law by President Ulysses Grant. The law prohibited racial discrimination in public places and public accommodations.

. There is no reference to the Democrats' 1904 platform, which devotes a section to "Sectional and Racial Agitation," claiming the GOP's protests against segregation and the denial of voting rights to blacks sought to "revive the dead and hateful race and sectional animosities in any part of our common country," which in turn "means confusion, distraction of business, and the reopening of wounds now happily healed."

. There is no reference to four Democratic platforms, 1908-20, that are silent on blacks, segregation, lynching and voting rights as racial problems in the country mount. By contrast the GOP platforms of those years specifically address "Rights of the Negro" (1908), oppose lynching (in 1912, 1920, 1924, 1928) and, as the New Deal kicks in, speak out about the dangers of making blacks "wards of the state."

. There is no reference to the Democratic Convention of 1924, known to history as the "Klanbake." The 103-ballot convention was held in Madison Square Garden. Hundreds of delegates were members of the Ku Klux Klan, the Klan so powerful that a plank condemning Klan violence was defeated outright. To celebrate, the Klan staged a rally with 10,000 hooded Klansmen in a field in New Jersey directly across the Hudson from the site of the convention. Attended by hundreds of cheering convention delegates, the rally featured burning crosses and calls for violence against African-Americans and Catholics.

. There is no reference to the fact that it was Democrats who segregated the federal government, at the direction of President Woodrow Wilson upon taking office in 1913. There \is a reference to the fact that President Harry Truman integrated the military after World War II.

. There is reference to the fact that Democrats created the Federal Reserve Board, passed labor and child welfare laws, and created Social Security with Wilson's New Freedom and FDR's New Deal. There is no mention that these programs were created as the result of an agreement to ignore segregation and the lynching of blacks. Neither is there a reference to the thousands of local officials, state legislators, state governors, U.S. congressmen and U.S. senators who were elected as supporters of slavery and then segregation between 1800 and 1965. Nor is there reference to the deal with the devil that left segregation and lynching as a way of life in return for election support for three post-Civil War Democratic presidents, Grover Cleveland, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.

. There is no reference that three-fourths of the opposition to the 1964 Civil Rights Bill in the U.S. House came from Democrats, or that 80% of the "nay" vote in the Senate came from Democrats. Certainly there is no reference to the fact that the opposition included future Democratic Senate leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia (a former Klan member) and Tennessee Senator Albert Gore Sr., father of Vice President Al Gore.

. Last but certainly not least, there is no reference to the fact that Birmingham, Ala., Public Safety Commissioner Bull Connor, who infamously unleashed dogs and fire hoses on civil rights protestors, was in fact--yes indeed--a member of both the Democratic National Committee and the Ku Klux Klan.

Reading the DNC's official "Party History" of the Democrats and the race issue and civil rights is not unlike reading "In Through the Looking Glass": " 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less.' "

Here's this line from the DNC: "With the election of Harry Truman, Democrats began the fight to bring down the final barriers of race . . ." Truman, of course, was elected in 1948, and to his great credit he did in fact, along with then-Minneapolis Mayor Hubert Humphrey, begin to push the Democrats towards a pro-civil-rights stance. This culminated in the passage of the 1960s civil rights laws--legislation that redid what had been done by Republicans a hundred years earlier but undone by the Democrats' support for segregation. But the notion that "Democrats began to bring down the final barriers of race" raises the obvious questions. What were these barriers doing there in the first place? And who exactly was responsible for creating them?

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AS IF TO CONFIRM the "Who, me?" racial psychology behind the DNC Web site, Nancy Pelosi's Democrats passed a House resolution on July 29 sponsored by Tennessee Democrat Steve Cohen. The resolution, passed by voice vote, concludes this way:

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--
(1) acknowledges that slavery is incompatible with the basic founding principles recognized in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal;
(2) acknowledges the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow;
(3) apologizes to African Americans on behalf of the people of the United States, for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow; and
(4) expresses its commitment to rectify the lingering consequences of the misdeeds committed against African Americans under slavery and Jim Crow and to stop the occurrence of human rights violations in the future.
What word is missing here?

You got it. The word "Democrat." Never mentioned anywhere. As with the DNC website, all these terrible things--somehow, apparently, it seems, so they keep hearing--happened. Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Cohen and their fellow House Democrats just can't understand how. But, you know, whatever. They are sorry. Really.

Are they? Let's take them up on this.

After all those Democratic platforms and conventions that championed slavery and segregation, what do you think the chances are they will use the occasion of Mr. Obama's nomination to have the Democratic platform formally apologize for the active, frequently violent and decidedly official support of the Democratic Party for slavery, segregation, lynching, the Ku Klux Klan and all the rest?

Better yet, do you think they'll pass a resolution promising to use the funds raised from all those Jefferson-Jackson Day fundraisers to pay reparations for slavery? (Did I mention that while the DNC discusses party co-founders Jefferson and Jackson, it neglects to mention that between them the two owned an estimated 360 slaves?)

Will the NAACP and other groups seeking reparations from nongovernment entities for their role in supporting slavery (companies like Aetna, Wachovia and Chase along with educational institutions like Brown University) finally zero in on the prime historical mover behind some of the worst chapters in American history? Will they sue the Democrats?

The Democrats are poised to nominate a black man for president of the United States. But will they apologize for slavery? Will they start paying reparations not from tax dollars but their own dollars for what they have done?

Do they have the guts to publicly admit what serious history records of their deeds? Are they capable of running a campaign without playing the race card as they have played it for the better part of two centuries? Can they even escape the race psychology that has indelibly branded them as America's Party of Race?

Or, when it comes to their own responsibility for race relations in America, will they order up more of what, under the circumstances, is a very appropriate word for the DNC website?

Whitewash.

"My granddaughter's future is in our hands." Hey Kizzy, I respectfully ask you how this is not saying you have a granddaughter? Unless you have a crystal ball that works how do you know it may not be a grandson? This is misleading is it not? Just wondering.....