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Obama gets tough

His ads are now taking it to McCain. The NY Times calls these "attacks" and "negative." I'd call it common sense. When the Republican is talking publicly about how times are pretty good; when a top McCain supporter calls those who say otherwise whiners; when McCain himself is going unrelentingly negative, including by libeling his opponent as a traitor, it's past time to talk unflattering truths about the opposition.

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Seems to me we need to see WAY more ads which simply reveal McCain making statements like when he said:

[] Any country which tries to export it's brand of democracy to other cultures will fail miserably and be diminished in the eyes of the rest of the world.

[] Fundie religionists are agents of intolerance.

[] Bushes tax cuts were a mistake.

[] Torture goes against everything America stands for.

[] Offshore drilling is a pig in a poke.

(the rest of the LONG list of, yes, FLIP-FLOPS!)

When he was RIGHT about all of those things, and now is a doddering panderer and little else. Except an FF-er.
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I'd call the Obama ads tough but fair, just like the McCain ads against Obama. It's called tough politicking. We've become such a therapeutic society that if anyone says anything negative about us, or someone we like, we want to call in grief counselors.

Here, by the way, is a little red meat for this blog. If anyone needs a grief counselor, remember that a poll is just a snapshot. Obama should get a bounce next week from the convention (and McCain should get a similar bounce the week after). And it's only Zogby.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.

McCain leads Obama among likely U.S. voters by 46 percent to 41 percent, wiping out Obama's solid 7-point advantage in July and taking his first lead in the monthly Reuters/Zogby poll.

The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama's experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.

The poll was taken Thursday through Saturday as Obama wrapped up a weeklong vacation in Hawaii that ceded the political spotlight to McCain, who seized on Russia's invasion of Georgia to emphasize his foreign policy views.


I urge Obama to change his approach to lying as often as possible. The GOP has shown it to be a proven winning strategy, with McCain being only the latest example. Tell the people what they want to hear.

Now if he can deliver his newly orchestrated lines with a little spontaniety, maybe he won't come across as wooden and stiff as a modern-day Algore.

"Obama gets tough"

Yeah!

Of course his drop in the polls indicates the public's dislike of a candidate vacationing in exotic places like Hawaii. Maybe he should get a fake ranch like President Shit for Brains and go out and cut brush...like a real man. Heck, he probably sits around thinking about how to address the serious, complex problems facing our country...what a wimp.

I've never begrudged any presidential candidate from taking a break to recharge...well, until Monkeyboy decided he'd live on vacation and periodically check in on the Presidency. It helps to take time to ACTUALLY think.

Unless they steal another election, Obama will win. But NO ONE should take a win for granted. Americans, as the last two elections have demonstrated, can sometimes be shallow and gullible.

So far Obama is holding his fire, and his money. When Kerry went to the rope-a-dope he never came out of the corner. I expect Obama to come out fighting come September. We will see.

Comment to Chelsa Clinton on the Campaign trail:

"We fear
Osama
Obama &
Yo Momma!"

Obama needs to get tough and he needs to realize that he has a need.....

There is so much about McCain that Zelda and I and other libs can't get out there in front of the public, but Obama with his huge war chest can do it. He just needs to realize, I think, that he needs to do it. From all I hear, I believe this campaign is caught up in its own unique wonderfulness and needs to wake from their euphoria and realize that McCain is fighting and his jabs, true or untrue, will bruise Mr. Wonderful even if he is.....well, Mr. Wonderful. Come on and get serious, Senator Obama!

"From all I hear, I believe this campaign is caught up in its own unique wonderfulness"--Ci.Ci

Ci.Ci heard it--all of it--so it must be true. That sourcing is definitive, to be sure. While it's remarkable how self-described "liberals" manage to sprinkle their comments with the right's talking points about Obama--he's a puffed-up phony, "Mr. Wonderful," arrogant, presumptuous--it's even more remarkable that they borrow Republican sourcing methods (i.e., "from all I hear") to do so.

Obama is a wimp. If Hillary were the candidate, she would be up by 30 points right now. It's not too late to dump Obama and choose Hillary at the convention. When Obama picks his VP, it will be embarrassing for Obama because the VP will have a much better resume than the candidate.

Given that Obama has more money that he can ever spend, it would be nice if he helped out his brother who's been living in a shack in Kenya.

The One (Peace Be Upon Him) is losing His (PBUH) shine and coming back to the world of normal politics.

If this keeps up, I might have to address Him (PBUH) as a normal human.

When our idols fall, Peace Be Upon Us all.

yeah, you guys laugh now. You have about another six weeks unless Imiss my guess and then you won't be seen in these parts for quite awhile. Enjoy the last few weeks.

>>>From all I hear, I believe this campaign is caught up in its own unique wonderfulness and needs to wake from their euphoria and realize that McCain is fighting and his jabs, true or untrue, will bruise Mr. Wonderful even if he is.....well, Mr. Wonderful. Come on and get serious, Senator Obama!<<<

What a weird comment. "From all you hear"? heard from whom? what real inside sources do you have? This is the same kind of stuff you're been dishing out since Obama cinched the nomination. Gaddis' post is right on the money.

Well, Gaddis, I guess some of us "liberals" just aren't up to your standards of perfection. I'm surprised!

My source was Candy Crowley of CNN. She has traveled with the Obama campaign and what she said was that they don't pay attention to the polls, aren't worried that he is losing ground to McCain, don't think they need anymore "excitement" (their word) other than having Obama at the head of their ticket, and his judgment trumps experience, so no experienced VP needed.

Now what about all that doesn't scream, "Mr. Wonderful".

It is mighty WHITE of Max to give all of StrangleLuv's voices a gathering/reunion place...hell, maybe McKing will show up with Candy, Oops I mean Cindy.

Me thinks Gaddis and LAJ have their collective heads buried in the same sand pile......

If you want Obama to win this election, you better hope he listens to some of his critics and gets a move on because McCain has gotten tougher and smarter in his lies and crap. I watched Gore and Kerry who were clearly better than Bush lose elections they should not have lost, and I don't share your Pollyanna outlook on this campaign.

Yeah, Ci.Ci, we don't stand for no generalizations, poor-word choices, opinions, hearsays, stupid stuff, fluff, crappy grammar around these here parts. Better shape up, give cites...else you'll be writing like the rest of us.

I agree, Obama and his team need to act like they're 20 points behind, not like it's a done deal. But I'm pretty wild crazy.

The problem with the politics of polarization is that it leaves no one with a majority or anything resembliing a mandate. When poor W tried to claim one last time he was laughed off the stage.

Obama's challenge now that he is going to have a majority in both houses is to build enough of a victory to create a mandate. He has the opportunity because of W to actually build a mandate. He can't do it with the politics of polarization. It's a little tricky. Give him some room. It is coming soon.

Wow John McCain is up by 5% even before Hillary and the Clintons make Obama look bad (by comparison of their gravitas) in their featured speeches at the convention. If Obama doesn't pick Hillary as his running mate, be prepared to see McCain's lead widen considerably. With nearly half of the party disenfranchised, and the party blowing off Florida and Michigan, Obama could be in big trouble.

It's not too late to dump Obama for Hillary.

Fletch, I do agree with what you said about polarization. I don't believe it works and am willing to give on some liberal ideas in order to see things happen in government that might just benefit all of us. I can live with middle of the road as long as it's in moderation (lol).

My beef with Obama (and hopefully you are right that it is coming), is that there are things that can be put out there about McCain without polarization. I would love to see an ad that shows some of Obama's words about rebuilding our relationships with other countries right beside some clips of McCain talking tough about Russia and singing "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran", followed by the simple statement "Who do you trust to keep America out of another unnecessary war?"

This is going to have to take place on several levels. There will be some polite ways to show McCain as a crumpy old man who is out of touch and a relic of the past. There can be some "morning in America" stuff out of the Reagan playbook because this is about fundamental change. And then there will have to be some 'new day' 'look to the future' 'fix what's broken' stuff to build a mandate. There is plenty of money in the bank and plenty of time to roll it out.

Though I love the elderly, I hope Obama slices off McCain's arms and legs from now to November 4th. I don't need to read anything to remember how John Kerry, facing the most terrible incumbent in US history pussy-footed around and played by the Marquess of Queensberry rules against a pack of alley rats. We all know how well that worked for him. Just imagine how different the last 4 years would have been under President Kerry.

I have decided (based on reading and double checking, not voices from God or making it up in my head) that Barack Obama is smarter than the rest of us. Rather than being a total sell-out to the other side like Mark W. Pryor, I believe Obama knows at some point in the future this divided country must come back together and after the battle he'll do it. But to get to the healing part, first he must dismantle old John McCain in order to win. No win = no change....he must win....period. So now is the time to start dropping nuclear Barry Bombs on McShrimp........go Slim Pickens go!

If we're going down, let's go down fighting! If the Cheney-Bush neo-cons are taking over the country, let's make em earn it by giving them the fight of their lives. I want Obama to batter McShrimp so badly he'll think he's back in Hanoi. Then in January, after the War Crimes Trial, I expect Obama to have the wisdom and forgiveness of Abe Lincoln to gather the good Republicans back into the fold that they may go and sin no more.

Though I'm told she is too nice to do it, I want Rebekah Kennedy to use Mark Pryor's sorry record to publicly dismember him too. Arkansans can't stand tall next year if we reelect our neo-con Senator. If we play our cards right, after this ugliness is over and the criminals have been banished, we can return to the good manners and politeness our good mothers instilled in us. But for now, in the immortal words of John Wayne, Fill your hands, you sons-of- bitches!

The problem with the politics of polarization is that it leaves no one with a majority or anything resembliing a mandate. When poor W tried to claim one last time he was laughed off the stage.

By Fletch

I don't remember anyone laughing? All I remember is a constant Dem capitulation to Mc-W-Cheney's unitary executive demands on every single issue no matter how dishonest, or unconstitutional. MCA, PAA, FISA, War funding, refusal to conduct meaningful accountability across the board, awful awful appointed/nominees, etc. etc.

Interesting to see it's severus who cheers loudest for Hillary as VP today.

wow, the hate.

"The problem with the politics of polarization is..."

"Interesting to see it's severus who cheers loudest for Hillary as VP today."--eureka

...Republican's like President Shit for Brains win.

I'd say it's transparent, eureka. If a right-winger says something positive about a Clinton...

The cool, rainy day is delicious.

Agreed, zelda. *g*

And three cheers for how Obama is handling things this week. (post the dreadful right wing church fiasco - even though he won, he lost..imo, it was a lose lose scenario from the get go..and I don't want campaigns conducted from any church, ever)

But his style in contrast to McCain with their speeches to Vets this week and todays news is more than welcome. Much more like this please!

Well according to Ruff 'N Ready Rush, the man-boy (Obama) does not have a fight in 'em...and REAL AMERICANS/PATRIOTS love to fight and open cans of whoop-ass! Hate is just a perk.

Yes, bejeeus, if I hadn't witnessed it myself I would never have believed that an AWOL coward like Monkeyboy could have successfully played the real-man, patriot myths against a real war hero like Kerry. Still can't believe it...and I remind myself of it every time I think things can't get worse or that there's no way McSame will win against Obama. In matters of war and so-called manliness, there's no way Dubya should have come out on top of that heap...but then I remember 'they' stole both elections.

If I remember correctly, during the last presidential election, the Republican party basically made John McCain look like a doddering UN-patriotic fool. His own party chewed him up, spit him out, and left his ass on the roadside. They actually called into question his military service and patriotism. That was amazing because there was George W. Bush up there smirking on the podium like he had the election in the bag.

I think and hope Obama comes out swinging in the next few months. He would not even have to resort to negative adds.

I have also noticed that I can hardly carry on a reasonable conversation with someone voting Republican. There was a woman at work who I was talking too and when she found out I was voting for Obama she damn near went ballistic. Seriously people, there are voters out there that think Obama is the anti-christ.

Oh, and also, they think that if Obama gets elected all nurses are going to go back to making $7.50/hr.
When I asked this person what the Republican party has done for her as a nurse in the last 8 years she had nothing to say. When I pointed out that George W. was going to veto the recent child healthcare legislation she got pretty huffy. We both work at a local children's hospital as RN's.

You're being rational. Working people voting Republican is not rational.

It is some form of racism, sexism, denial, or misinformation.

Reagan's boys invented the unholy alliance and the Republican party has been a PR campaign ever since. They don't believe their own propaganda, or act on it. Huge deficits, destruction of the military, destruction of the banking system, absolutely no action on their anti-abortion stance in 25 years. Doing the same thing over again and expecting different results. That is the definition of a middle class Republican voter.

Rationality....you said it. A wise person will at least stop for a moment to consider the other man/woman's position.

obamayomama is a WIMP! I just can't trust someone who is a cut and run kind of 'guy'. In all likelyhood his wife will be the real president and he will spend his time running to her to get a decision made. We need a man in control.

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