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grrrrrrr gays deserve no respect. If I had a homo daughter or sister or brother I wouldn't have respect for them.

Seriously?

Didn't mention it on TV though.

If the Repubs want to hold onto all the religious homophobes that Palin dragged up, they better not be too nice to their log cabin wing. Nothing stirs the fundie blood more than decent treatment of gays - except maybe taxes. Funny how Christians now put guns and taxes ahead of all the other religious stuff like gas, prayer in school and abortion. Instead of love of fellow man, it is now love their wallets.

If my daughter or sister or brother hated gay people, I'd have no respect for them. The bible teaches us to love our neighbors as we love God, and it doesn't include qualifiers.

Is Chasv really serious? Not that I want an explanation, defense of POV, or anything like that, but I am curious...

Unemployment at 5-Year High as U.S. Loses 84,000 Jobs

Got to love the direction our great country is in. Thanks McBush.

Chasv, you are a poor excuse for a human being.

Pacom, it is insane for a person to have relations with anyone who's of their own gender.
Therefore it is all in their twisted minds. They die at a very young age because of diseases.

love the gays.

I'll give you some gay vocabulary.

Gay drama ( and there is a lot of it ) = Grama

When gay people have babies ( and I'm all for it ) = Gaybies

dm's not square... You are a sorry excuse for a human being. You must be born again and repent of your sins.. What you think will lead you to sin.

Thank you for your response Chasv. Although I don't agree with your POV, I do respect you as a human.

bottom line is I could care less what you think and say about me, I simply want you to know it is sin to be a homo.
We are sick of the insane excuses that's offered up all the time for homos. There is no excuse for anyone to be a homo, none what so ever.

Paco, there are two roads we find to travel on. One is the narrow road that leads to everlasting life and the other is the broad road that leads to hell and the majority of people in the world are on that road...
paco, I learned that from God's Holy Word!

Paco,
Chas is a closet case who has never been able to deal with his emotional issues. He's a regular here and you'll learn to ignore him, which I clearly haven't.

I'm sure we'll see him one day a-la Larry Craig poking his you know what under a stall while claiming he was out trying to make citizen's arrest of the homos in his local park, at 10 pm, while doing poppers, and...well, you get the picture. We could call them the minutemen, but that's already taken.

Too bad, I'm sure it's appropriate here in more way than one.

It is truly amazing to me that those who cling so closely to the Bible have no idea what it says. How can that be? It says a great deal, I'm just not sure what.

Wow. Simply amazing.

I mean, it is written in English? Right? Sure it will take a little time but, if you start with the new testament, you know NEW testament, the Christian part, there is not too much to read. You might have to go thru it 3 or 4 times to sort it out. But, still. If it means that much to you, you should know what it says.

chasv- I would do unto you as you do unto others.

Chasv--

That Jesus fella. Something a little gay--perhaps--about him too don't you think? Worth considering no? He pretty much hung out with 12 guys, many of them dressed in flowy robes and lace up sandals if you go by crypt wall drawings of the day. The drank wine, sucked as fishermen, told each other what some scholars have characterized as a sub genre of femme oriented stories at odds with the oral tradition of the day, and had bizarre rituals where one guy--Jesus--told them that the true way to heavenly bliss was to "eat me". Maybe the Gospels left out a few chapters? Just saying.

So before you cast the gays aside to the rubbish pile of humanity you might just hold a little doubt on that position.

Let's clarify something here; to be Christian is to be "Christ" like. So people who spread hate are not Christ like. You can wrap it up in pretty bows and call it pretty, but it is not. It is nothing more than hate, and certainly not a characteristic of Christ. If the truth be known, people who hate someone because of their sexuality, are simply insecure of their own. See a shrink and maybe get on your knees before your creator (whatever your faith) and recognize that all of us came from something bigger and it is the same thing.

New word.. Palinbangelical.

Sorry Chasv, your idea of God and Devil, like your idea of Heaven and Hell.. are far to similar. Quit being so afraid of EVERYTHING.

My Goddess is a black bisexual woman with impeccable taste. I just dialed a prayer for you Chasv.... She said she will let you in, but you will be color blind and have to clean out Larry Craigs pearly bathroom every week for all eternity.

Given that our state is controlled by the Democratic party, what exactly has been done for gay rights? One can only assume that a lot of Democrats voted for the ban on gay marriage and anything resembling gay marriage. If gays were truly a concern of the Democratic party, wouldn't they have at a minimum civil unions and the ability to adopt freely. What Democratic politicians have campaigned against the restriction on adoptions proposal? We've seen that Bill Halter is "allowed" to campaign for the lottery proposal, but apparently they're not allowed to campaign against this proposal.

Regarding the proposal for the gay adoption ban, it doesn't help when the Arkansas Times publishes cartoons accusing white straight people of not wanting imperfect babies. You can make the point that even without the proposed restrictions there aren't currently enough people willing/able to adopt without stooping into the gutter to make assinine stereotypical comments.

If the ban passes, it will be because of Democrats voting for it.

It's really very, very simple: You either love people unconditionally or it's not love...especially your children. And, you can count on not loving all their decisions, but that's irrelevant to loving them. Doesn't mean people have to excuse and/or live with destructive behavior/cheating spouses, it means if you have a list of acceptable/unacceptable behavior attached to your love ya might need to reexamine your priorities/definition of love.

IABL1969, Sound Policy, Fletch and calmwriter
all of you have tunnel vision. You think the new testament says to love everybody but it also says that homos will not go to heaven. It says that hell in for people like you who are lovers of pleasure. He that loves his life shall loose it.
YOU'D better get to reading all of the things Jesus said and not twist it to fit your own lustful thinking. It will not work or fit where truth is concerned.
It also says for me not to cast my perils before swine... so, you, swine you don't deserve any perils of mine cause you have no idea what they are.
You blaspheme the Holy Ghost knowing that it is very dangerous to your soul.

Okay, it is quite simple, coming from a gay man, if gay people do not want to be treated like freaks, then do not present a freak. There is a difference in marching for rights and parading. Let's stop allowing all of this bullshit to cloud the sky here. WE NEED CHANGE. Period.

Ho boy. You guys woke up Chasv and it's barely noon. Keep it down tomorrow morning.
Seriously though, if we're talking about something akin to equal rights, there is a huge majority of folks out there -- gays, women, who knows what other kind of deviants? -- who would really like to be considered equal legally.
(Read this again and carefully, most of you, if you 're about to jump my case; chasv, more fresh meat for you . . .)

HA HA HA HA, Obama begs Clinton to help him with poor little Sarah.

Clinton basically tells him to piss off.

"they urged the campaign not to overestimate the impact Mrs. Clinton could have, noting that she had other commitments this fall, like campaigning and raising money for Senate candidates."

Yeah and paying off that massive campaign debt that he left her holding the bag on.

Question to you lefties: Do you really think Clinton will drop her business to help a man who smeared her in the primaries using identity politics to help him smear someone else ? Especially since if he loses she could be back in 4 years instead of 8?

At the link.

Clinton basically tells him to piss off.

by CJ

That is a flat out lie, CJ. Shame on you.

Hey Chasv,

If your going to tout "read all that Jesus said," then maybe you might also read those little books that were left out of a King James interpretation. You know....The Apocrypha. Those little things. Also, Remember, Jesus said nothing about homosexuality. However, He did talk about a two edged sword, you know. YOUR TONGUE.

Love ya in the BIGGER spirit.

Hey Max why arent you pointing out the article at TNR that explains obama's stance on community organizing?

Or that speech in which Palin was being made into a "crusader" by what she said at church.

Since you aren't doing such a good job of editing let me help you out here -

This is the actual quote - "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

This is what the AP quoted - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God.".
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

What's missing from the AP's version? Right - the beginning of what she said, the part that makes clear she's not asserting that we're doing God's will but simply praying that we are. It's the difference between me saying "McCain will win" and "I pray McCain will win." The first is an assertion of fact/secret knowledge, the second is an expression of desire/hope. The AP actually stoops to picking up the quote mid-sentence to make it better fit the stereotype of the holy-roller yokel claiming divine inspiration for Bush's Crusade. And Max Brantly runs with it before even checking it out in his eagerness to impale the new conservative.

I mean even the Huffington Post noticed this.

Hows it going with that credibility lately max?

Question for Chasv

Chasv, help me out.

I was looking at that fine painting of the Indian posted on another blog thead today, and, for a moment, just a fleeting moment, I thought, damn, that guy is pretty damn good looking. And I'm sure I lingered over that photo a little longer than I might have, say, of the equally fine painting of Dogs Playing Poker, which hopefully the Walton Museum will also acquire. Anyway, soon as I realized I was wondering if that white imagery on his back was a sleep garment or tote-along feather bedding, and before one thought led to another, I slapped myself in the face, pulled myself together and said Forty Five Hail Mary's and re-read the Republican Party Platform in its entirety.

My question is, did I cross the line into eternal damnation with these unconscious libidinal art induced gay mind wanderings or can I still make it to the right hand of our heavenly daddy in paradise?

Sincerely,

Worried Central Arkansas "Art Lover"

PS. Full disclosure: I forgot to add. I jerked off after i read the platform, but honestly I was not thinking of the painting the whole time. Near the end, mostly I was thinking of Sara Palin. So that should get me some points with the big guy right?

I was born and raised in a small town in south Arkansas, and constantly heard our neighbors referred to in a not so nice manner of speaking. They were simply people of color, good hard working folks. But my elders were raised that using racial epithets was not wrong; if it was good enough for their parents, and their parents' parents, it was good enough for them...and us.

When I began school and sat next to children of color, I realized they were no different than I on the inside, and I began to question the use of those slurs. Needless to say, I then became the target for the slurs. My point is that I lifted that veil of ignorance and cast it aside.

They say it's never to late to learn, I pray that is still true.

IABL1969 , you know what? You are a jerk. I didn't study that picture and I could care less about what you thought about what you saw in it.

Creatingmovement, Those books were left out of the bilble for very good reasons. The sixty six books are all we need to strive to live by. I don't intend to contend with you on your stupid thoughts.

zelda, if you want to know what love is read 1 Cor. 13th Chapter... it is the chapter of love.

I'll be in Little Rock tonight, if you see me I won't talk down to you..lol

Severus, homos should have absolutely nothing but what normal people have. NO civil unions.

What if our belittled blogger brethren are right?

If hormonal changes in pregnant women are indicated in homosexuality, then it's the mother's fault. It all makes sense now.

"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." Dan Quayle

Republicans for Obama, no the bible said for us to love our neighbor as ourself!

chasv- I would do unto you as you do unto others.

Posted by: Sound Policy

old buddy fuddy duddy tooti ruddy booty, I would appreciate that VERY MUCH.

chasv

Well, what about jerking off to Sara Palin. Is that over the line? I'm serious chasv. I worry if I'm too cavalier about how sexually aroused I am with her though she is a married woman. But chasv, for crying out loud, did you see the way she ran her tongue over those deep, wet, glossy red lips during her speech the other night. I mean, come on. If she ain't the Temptress Devil incarnate then who is.

Then, I worry that perhaps I'm disrespecting the office she aspires to. But then I think, hell, it is "Vice" President after all. I think having her run has put the Vice back in the Vice Presidency and for that we should all be grateful. This way if she gets elected and we are all taking it up the ass I'm going to, at least in my mind, be giving it right back to her.

i mean is that all OK with God. I sure hope so. Pray for me chasv.

Chasv,

Then maybe, for a change, you should "live" by them. What might those good reasons be? Could it be maybe political? Bring it on "bubba," I was two weeks from ordination as a minister. I can tackle and give history, not comfort, for anything you are willing to address.

Love your hair, hope you win. :-)

..."What is correct however, is that todays 'Chavs Culture' seems to have swollen to a point where it cannot be ignored. The Chavs has been able to slip under the radar, except now we have a name with which to brand them. As a result, this subculture has revealed itself as a genuine social nuisance"...

Continue reading at my name if you like. Apparently in England, Chavs are not popular there either.

GRACE. Chasv, just a few short days ago you said people who work on Sun, fail to keep the Sabbath, are no longer to be stoned. Why? According to chasv we are now ruled by the Law of GRACE, which sorta repealed the Mosaic Laws. It was the Mosaic Law of the Old Testament that condemns homos, not the Law of Grace which you said was established by someone greater than Moses.

So do you flip-flop. Do you need the spiritual energy charge of despising gays or the uplift of Living in Grace?
Curious minds want to know.
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Seems you have turned angry and taken your toys and gone home, Chasv. What ever for? I would recommend you re-visit the whole idea of Grace. What does it mean? It is a gift of Grace, from something higher than ourselves, if you believe in the Bible. Remember, Jesus came to set the captive free, including the sadducees and the other "Leaders" of that day and time. He came to set the record straight. Grace cannot be merited by anyone, not even You. I suppose you would have been one to drive the stakes in Jesus' wrist and spit on him? Good Point Elwood.

"Severus, homos should have absolutely nothing but what normal people have. NO civil unions."

- Chasv

I would say that your statement can be interpreted in many different ways, depending on the reader's point of view. For instance, I could interpret it as saying that gays should have the right to marry and not be degraded to a secondary class level of "civil unions". But we all know better...

Amen, Zelda.

"It's really very, very simple: You either love people unconditionally or it's not love."

I don't know why that's so hard a concept to get across to people, but it is.

The minute you impose "conditions" on love, it's not love but control. "I will love you IF . . . ."

Religionists are the worst. To their children, for instance, they say, "I will love you IF you're not gay. If you are, I'll kick you out into the streets or beat you to death."

"I will love you IF you don't date or marry somebody of a different race or religion."

"I will love you IF you live your life according to MY dictates and not what YOU want."

That's not love: it's a threat.

They even tell you GOD will love you IF . . . turning the creator of All That Is into a threatening fascist.

None of that's Love. It's control and threats.

That kind of conditional love is at the heart of virtually every religion and every family, except those who're truly adult and realize they're blessed with children or partners who may be "different" than they, yet they're eager to discover "how" their children and partners are different and love the infinite diversity that is God's gift.

Anything less is fascism, and the root of dysfunctional families and societies.

There's an old maxim, Zelda: "Love with an open hand." In other words, don't cling to love or clench your fist around it or place conditions on it. If you feel you must, then what you're feeling isn't love, it's fear.

Sounds like you love with an open hand, Zelda.

And to the inevitable lemmings who'll ask, "You mean I'm supposed to love a child molester or a murderer?"

Yes. You are. The law will take care of punishing their crimes, imprisoning or even executing them (I'm against the death penalty, but that's another thread).

If your child turns out to be sent to prison for molesting children or for homicide, it's a tragedy and heartbreaking for everybody involved. Do you cut them off? Not visit them? Shun them? Starve them of your love as their parent? Do your best to hurt and punish them?

You do if your love is conditional.

If it's unconditional, then even if your child turns out to be Jeffrey Dahmer, whose parents thoroughly accepted the hideousness of his crimes yet continued to visit and reassure him they still loved him, THAT'S what you do.

Love and god
God and love
in all sorts of crazy things, crazy ways,
I think our late George Carlin did a wonderful
riff on how god loves you. Someone else can post it.
But I recall it enough to know that if one loves god, in the
judaeo-christian sense you're a ringer for S-M games.

Those wandering. goat-herder tribes were something else.
Living in the heat of the Mideast, generation upon
generation fuked up their minds. Struggling to find water, much
less food, they had rules and laws galore.

Then jesus pops up with rad ideas about Grace,
hanging out with hoors and lepers,
throwing the money changers out of the temple.
It was rad, awesomely rad.
Goat herders became city dwellers, often
forgetting the Grace part.
Isn't it about time the other followers of
Abraham have them a mesiah return?

Is THIS is, eLwood?

Glad you feel the same way, norma; I simply don't get telling someone they've got to do 'so and so' to be worthy of my love. (Small world...I've told my son the very thing about Dahmer...'I may be the one to put you in jail if you're a danger to yourself/others, but I'll always be there loving you.'

Wonder why so many feel so inadequate that they have to surround their love with barriers...turn into bullies? Got to be all that childhood crap...and right-wing religion (not to be mistaken for God).

zelda, norma, God's love is not unconditional so why would you let people take your love and stuff it in your face time and time agian. You provide for their livelihood and they shame you time and time again. They deny you any love or respect don't tell me you are going to love them unconditional.
Nobody in their right mind would do that.

I know you know that there is only one condition God has for his all his creation, that is, repent of our sins and believe, follow the teachings of His only begotten Son.