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In an educational setting, "faith, not works" is equivalent to giving everyone straight As in all classes for attending the first football game and cheering loudly.

In other words, Jesus not only paid for those desks, he made it so the kids don't even have to go to school at all.

I think I'll just duck and cover on this one.

Obviously you're the only obsessed with it, Max. Move on.

As I have known since about 93- shuck the Huck, there ain't no pearl in that one. He is a slick talking bag of wind with ZERO leadership skills. Beebe was destined to be a great governor and following the Huckster just made Beebe look like Beebe walks on water.

I hope he keeps telling it over n over n over n over,,,silliest damn story I ever heard.

He's a fool, clown, embarrassment to himself and all thinking people, I even saw one VET

crying...CRYING I tell you.

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If we could just train a fly on the wall to hold a mini-tape recorder when Huck is out fleecing small churches to feed his delicious Love Offering addiction, there is no telling what he preaches when there are no cameras present. I remember from my church days the very best sermons were tiny part fact, whole bunch fantasy. The sheep love it! And of course people who can believe in Imaginary Friends are already set up to believe anything a preacher tells them. It's also the same formula for Amway. And certain homosexual Catholic priests.

I want to know what all these solders were doing off work walking around with a desk in their hands? How much did this desk lesson cost the taxpayers? I guess if one of them wrenched their back picking up a kid's desk, we the taxpayers would be stuck with the medical bills.

Oh...there's just so much about this story we don't know. As I read the Constitution it guarantees every student a desk, so removing them violated the kid's rights. What next....removing their clothes as a form of punishment? Thumbscrews for failing a math test? Gitmo for the really obnoxious kids?

I have to go figure out how I can set up a little lesson for my wife about earning things. I think I'll hide all her clothes and make her "earn" them back.....yeah....that'll work!

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Heh heh.

Larry, I'm getting some script errors on my pc. There was no option for me to (sign in) or (sign out) to make a comment, so I just put a random character in the comment pane and hit post. I expected it to come back and tell me I wasn't signed in. Oops.

Sorry for any confusion.

I've had a few high school kids around that could probably use a few years in Gitmo! I bet those interrogators would have a fit over trying to break today's kids willpower! Shoot, teachers are not allowed to punish students who refuse to go along with the rules, principals get sued for corporal punishment. Damnable little brats get away with just about everything. If your a Teach. and your only recourse is to write the kid up, they go out and burn your car. I had someone letting about ten to fifteen Lbs of air out of my right front tire for a while even. No, it was not a leak, over the weekends the tire never lost pressure. I drove on one of Ar. infamous twisting highways about fifteen or so miles to the school. At highway speeds a slightly decreased pressure has the potential for a catastrophe. I confronted a couple of the kids I "thought" might be involved, and lo and behold the air stopped leaking after that. I mentioned that if I had a wreck and died, someone with matching fingerprints on my car and rim might get charged with attempted murder, and if I could, I would surely be happier than Santa at Hooters about them going down for it. We should require parents to mandatorily beat their kids into behaving for those who threaten and or try to hard a teacher. I am against corporal punishment, but if a kid is really bad I don't think the parents should be held liable for injuries to their kid in enforcing a morally correct attitude of action from their own children. I am 48, and when I was younger and still in my "stupid do as I want stage of life", I would get my Arse whooped good if I got caught screwing up. Now I stay out of trouble, no, I don't just not get caught, I learned through many knocks on the head from my Dad that what was right, was what I should do, and what was wrong was a good ol' ass kicking! Kids today scream "I'm calling Child Protection Services!" as soon as they get into trouble for what they do. The parents get fined, jailed, and even lose the right to raise their kids. Now that's because all those liberals, both Demoncrap, and Repugnant cry babies whined about the very same treatment that taught me to act human, yet made their little wimpy butts hurt.

Huck is addicted to audience approval (applause) and money. He'll tell any fabricated fairy tale a thousand times as long as the loons applaud and he gets paid.

many times early this year, i got the distinct impression that Mike Huckabee prefers being a politician rather than a preacher. so much so, perhaps he was working toward it all along. he just had to start somewhere, and with limited choices, 'twas pulpit school for him. and having learned how to preach to choirs, when he went into politics, the constituency that launched and sustained him were the folks who felt persecuted by urbanity and modernity. the people who literally felt that if someone did not have unquestioning faith and love for GOD, CHRIST, and the USA, well then, they should be shot, even if they're Americans. (ironic eh? moronic too)

but also, many times this year, it seemed that Mike Huckabee really knows that it's bullshit. (6000 year old planet, man made in God's image, Armegeddon a comin', rapture, etc.) but he also knows, that's where the votes are. (and the money, never forget the $$$)

the strangest thing so far about Governor Palin, besides the deja-vu of small-state peyton place-ishness, is that it seems that she really doesn't know that it's bullshit.

You're on to something, dbi, how come Huck's sermons (years of em) seem to have gone the way of Monkeyboy's Texas driving record?

I noticed that about Palin, muleboy...just like Monkeyboy in 2000, she seems to believe her own PR.

Preachers say the darnest things.

There's sacrifice all thru out the bible. Animals to jesus.

However, there's not much sacrifice amongst preachers. Many heathen cultures practiced sacrifice too, long before j.c. hit the scene. But how often will you see a preacher sacrifice? Notta!

I'm sitting here wondering, not very seriously cause the ball game is on,
if one were to 'partake' of John McCain's flesh and drink his blood would you
end up with a trophy wife, a young wife worth 100 million?

You see why Huck's having to make the speech for John.

I know billy graham's had to sacrifice, just going into a clinton white house was a
real sacrifice for billy. Billy even had to sacrifice his racism.
For a Deep South boy, that's a real sacrifice.
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Have you ever wondered why most all religions have blood sacrifice at the foundation?

Think about it. For millions of years we weren't the top predators. We were food.

Sometimes it may have been necessary to toss someone out to the tiger or bear so the rest could get away.

Thus the idea that blood gets us off the hook.

I wonder if that is behind the Republican insistence on remaining in Iraq? Perhaps they believe that the more blood that is shed, the less their sin becomes.

Elwood: "But how often will you see a preacher sacrifice? Notta!"

Take your pot-shots at the fat cats and the big dogs, the big CEOs of the mega-churches who preach sacrifice while driving Cadillacs and living in mansions, if you wish. "Would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?"

But don't generalize on preachers' sacrificing.

I can believe that YOU have never seen a preacher sacrifice, because I can believe that you don't know any of the hardscrabble pastors of the small struggling churches.

I went to seminary with hundreds of preachers, and I don't know a single one of them that didn't sacrifice in one way or another to get his education. And most of their wives did too. In many cases, the husbands couldn't have gotten through school if their wives hadn't helped pay the bills. I couldn't have. And we had to live two hundred miles apart to accomplish that. You may think that living two hundred miles from your wife and children for two or three years is no sacrifice, but I'll ask you this: When did you try it?!

And the thousands of bi-vocational pastors--the ones who work at secular employment in order to pastor their churches because the church's aren't able to pay them a living wage. If it were just for money, those bi-vocationals would forget their churches and climb their secular vocational ladders.

And what about the capable pastors whose churches are able to pay them a living wage, even if their wives don't have to work to support the family? How many of those could have climbed the economic ladder in a secular vocation, but they sacrificed those vocations to stay in the one to which they felt God called them?

I was never pastor of a church that paid enough that my wife didn't have to work to help support the family. So many times the wives deserve even more credit for sacrifice than the husbands!

You have a lot of gall to denigrate a whole class of preachers you know nothing about, and certainly do not know personally.

I have met a few of those on the top economic rungs, but only at some big meetings. I've never known any of them personally. The ones I've known personally are the ones whose entire lives have been lives of sacrifice so they can pastor their churches, minister to their flocks, and attempt to provide educations for their children, most of whom have had to be scholarship or work-study students if they were able to get an education at all.

Rail against hypocrisy where it exists, but don't you dare criticize and condemn a whole class of preachers whose every waking moment is a sacrifice for what they believe in and what they've committed their entire lives to.

Words about sacrifice come easy for people who've never tried it!

[Proof red, but not guaranteed.]

Boy, you guys, or MAX, are obsessed with Huckabee. He really isn't a player anymore. He is at best an afterthought. Is he is the daily kos? I guess that would be the only reason you would continue to dwell (or be obsessed) with someone who is no longer a player.

Hugh,

I was just joshing you AND (I've only been on here for much of this year) I thought maybe it was 'code' - like on hogville.net (ugh) if someone agrees w/the previous post she/he just posts +1... A lame attempt at eHumor!!
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Hey Strange,

Maybe we can have a CIVIL discussion about your last post - I hope so. I think we all here WISH to actualize what you've said, yet like the Energizer Bunny... Who with over .9 brain cells would EVER think this lightweight could be president? Yet...you know... I've ONLY ever wanted him to go away, since he dashed my original belief/hope that he'd "grow" in the office. Then there was the (Arkadelphia?) tornado relief bill, and his lame and lamentable refusable to understand the "...Act of God..." language in its intended circumstance/usage. THEN was appointing Faye Boozman (rest his soul) and ultimately combining one almost-functional organization with one totally DISfunctional one - then we rapidly rolled down the alleged "steep slope" to his reliance on ideology (and Church-/Religionism in lieu of competence, and............

I'm just sayin' about "obsessed:" He won't get gone that we dream about!!!
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Thank you, Skypilot, for your post above, from a seminary-educated "preacher" who has always preferred to support myself, rather than live on the alms of the parishioners.

I don't do much preaching, anymore, except in the way I live--and in what I sometimes write here. I have asked bloggers here and on other sites repeatedly not to lump *all* of us together when they rail against "organized religion", "preachers", etc, but so far to no avail. They just forget, I guess.

Keep it up, and thanks again.

Some may not CONSIDER Huckabee to be a player anymore.

However: 1. He still considers himself a player.

2. He still has a base out there that is being at least partially maintained--and enlarged--by his appearance on FOX.

3. He is still young enough to maintain presidential aspirations for the future.

4. He would JUMP at the chance to step in to the VP slot should Palin be dumped for any one or combination of reasons for which she's being investigated. McCain's slick pick could backfire on him, and Huckabee is the most readily available sop to the Righteous Right.

Never say never.

[Proof red, but not guaranteed.]

i can't remember now what inspired it, but one day i pondered where to draw the line between proper and improper preaching. the best i could come up with is: "real preachers don't use microphones" (a kind/variation on the theme of 'doing it the way it was originally done')

>>You have a lot of gall to denigrate a whole class of preachers you know nothing about, and certainly do not know personally.<<

You have part of it right ( I have a lot of gall) but please spare me the shallow travails of people who worked to get thru college or their wives worked. I went to college prior to Pell grants and the rest of the stuff and if that is what you are calling sacrifice then we are a nation of pussies (with all apologies to NormaBates). I knew many couples who had to scrape and forgo creature comforts to get a teacher's degree. I knew two women who lived in a campground mostly in the back of a van to finish 2 semesters of nursing school. They took baths out of the creek, and slept on our small living room floor when the weather was horrid.

For what it's worth I met Oral Roberts when he was doing small tent revivals before his tv debut. They lived in motel rooms and ate bologna sandwiches for breakfast.

About giving up other careers: the Peter Principle never rests. It works in all jobs and professions.

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OOPs! That would be I met Oral before his radio debut. Tv came much later.

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Elwood: "You have part of it right ( I have a lot of gall) but please spare me the shallow travails of people who worked to get thru college or their wives worked. "

You've rubbed shoulders with too many right wingnuts on this blog. And some of their stuff has rubbed off on you.

You denigrate the sacrifices of those who made them as if they're "shallow travails." That's a pretty arrogant, judgmental appraisal.

And the sacrifices they made to get their education wasn't ALL of the sacrifices they made. Those are just for starters. That's where I saw the largest number, first hand, in one place, for several years. In succeeding years, I saw them individually in their pastorates from town to town.

But then you, like people such as strangelove, chasv, largeass, and others shift the premises: "Well, OTHER PEOPLE have made sacrifices too."

I never suggested that preachers were the ONLY ones. But those were the ones you denigrated--en masse. And I rapped your knuckles on it.

Tell me about the preachers who spent their lives in other countries carrying our their commitments. How rich did they get? You going to tell me they didn't sacrifice anything? Tell me about the ones who were beaten. They didn't sacrifice anything? Tell me about the ones who were killed. They didn't sacrifice anything?

No, Elwood, when you lump them ALL TOGETHER and say, "But how often will you see a preacher sacrifice? Notta!" I'm calling you an outright bigoted liar. "Notta." None. Not one.

It doesn't have to mean that EVERY ONE of them did. It doesn't have to mean that NO ONE ELSE did. But when you say "notta," not one of them did, that's an outright bigoted lie. You're so blinded with your anti-God atheism that you can't even be honest about the lives of people with whom you disagree, and you're so steeped in your own religious misery that you think nothing of denigrating the entire group.

If you've got a complaint, level it at the guilty. Don't be so cowardly as to tar the entire profession with your one brush!

[Proof red, but not guaranteed.]

Frankly, I'm bored with the huckabee obsession. What's the big deal? BORING! I mean don't you lefties have anything or anyone else to crucify?

"crucifixions" are like orgasms (or potato chips for the prudish), multiple and/or continuous is better than just one. but then there's always the resurrection/ascension. see Nixon (past) W (future)

when will we ever learn?

I suppose the teacher joke could just as easily be a preacher joke, in many cases. You know, this one:

What's the difference between a public school teacher and a large pizza?
The pizza can feed a family of four.

I suppose the teacher joke could just as easily be a preacher joke, in many cases. You know, this one:

What's the difference between a public school teacher and a large pizza?
The pizza can feed a family of four.

Who cares who sacrificed? Everyone has sacrificed at some point, but none of us have made the ultimate sacrifice. If we had, we wouldn't be here.

I don't understand why a preacher would be concerned about getting praise or not from others. We shouldn't make sacrifices just to get praise or recognition.