Vote No on Act 1
Lowell Grisham, an Episcopalian priest who writes a column for the Northwest Arkansas Times, has a good column opposing Initiated Act 1, which would raise bars to adoption and foster parenting. One anecdote worth noting:
The Arkansas Family Council wants the government to interfere with this mother's decision about what is in the best interest of her own child. They want to prohibit everyone - straight or gay - from adopting or fostering a child if they are living with someone outside of marriage.
I know an unmarried couple who adopted a special needs child from Vietnam and saved that child from permanent life in an impoverished orphanage. The Arkansas Family Council wants to forbid this family's compassionate, loving generosity.
There are 3, 700 Arkansas foster children who need homes and only 1, 100 foster families offering to host them. But the Arkansas Family Council wants to restrict potentially qualified families with a blanket rule that prohibits unmarried adults who live together from fostering or adopting.
It's about kids, not the Family Council's sex obsession.





Comments
And, as Dale Bumpers reminded everyone in an eloquent speech one fateful day on the Senate floor: When they say it's not about sex . . . it's about sex.
Posted by: Claude Bahls
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October 13, 2008 09:16 AM
Just think how many foster children could find good homes if the nutty and mean Family Council put as much effort into finding them homes as it does into trying to keep gays from...helping foster children.
Of all the needs and atrocities I see occurring in our state, gay foster parenting isn't even on the map. Guess the nutty/mean Family Council is more interested in self-aggrandizing acts than actually helping Arkansans.
Posted by: zelda
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October 13, 2008 09:50 AM
Max, the government interferes with everything else so it is only right for them to interfere to stop homosexuals from adopting children.............
Where do you get off always promoting homosexuallity? Why, Max? There is not one good reason you do it.
I Know you're supposed to be smarter and wiser than that!
If you had a barrel of good apples and you found a rotten apple under the tree you wouldn't put it in the barrel with the good one, Oh, you would, huh.
Well, we, the majority of us, are not going to vote to let this happen.
You have no leg to stank on and it will end come Nov. 4th!
Any one who attempts to over rule the people should be hanged for being in contempt of the will of the people.....
Posted by: chasv
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October 13, 2008 11:07 AM
Homosexual Education Manual for Members of the Arkansas Family Council
Lesson 3
From Dr. Gregory M. Herek, Ph.D. of the University of California-Davis
In yet another approach to studying adult sexual attraction to children, some Canadian researchers observed how homosexual and heterosexual adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child, pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature sexual partners. In some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he or she was nude. The slides were accompanied by audio recordings. The recordings paired with the nude models described an imaginary sexual interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral activities (e.g., swimming). To measure sexual arousal, changes in the subjects' penis volume were monitored while they watched the slides and listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homosexual males responded no more to male children than heterosexual males responded to female children (Freund et al., 1989).
Posted by: Deathbyinches
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October 13, 2008 11:18 AM
chasv......did you ever read that piece on the internet I asked you to read?
Posted by: Charles Eddie Smith
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October 13, 2008 11:52 AM
Now the gays are pushing their agenda through the Episcapal church. I guess it makes sense to go there next since the Episcocpals are nearly identical to the Catholics.
Other than not believing the Pope is an infalable conduit from God, Episcopals and Catholics are indistinguishable.
But Episcopals let priests marry so there are probly less gay priests there as opposed to molesting
Catholic priests.
Posted by: Citizen home
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October 13, 2008 11:59 AM
You have to love those trolls.
"Any one [sic] who attempts to over rule [sic] the people should be hanged for being in contempt of the will of the people..." chasv
"I don't care who you are, that's funny right there."
Larry the Cable Guy
Posted by: Zatharus
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October 13, 2008 12:27 PM
Citizen home.......would you be so kind as to enlighten us all and enunciate just exactly what the "gay agenda" is?
Posted by: Charles Eddie Smith
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October 13, 2008 12:33 PM
Chasv's words are like the worm crying over a rotten apple.
Posted by: Eureka Springs, AR
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October 13, 2008 12:53 PM
I must SECOND Charles Eddie Smith's request.
WHAT IS THE GAY AGENDA? Who wrote it? Who conceived it?
Who believes it.
Posted by: eLwood
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October 13, 2008 01:06 PM
753,770 FOR.
251,914 AGAINST.
That was the vote of the people...the Arkansas people...in 2004 to prohibit gay marriage.
As much as many left-leaning bloggers would like to live in California, Massachusetts or Conneticut, the fact is you are stuck in Arkansas and the general population's beliefs and ideals here (in many cases) do not mirror your own. That is why McCain is favored to win this state.
And just because your collective superiority complexes convince you that you and a handful of judges know what is in the best interest of children doesn't make it so.
Posted by: KnockKnock
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October 13, 2008 01:33 PM
Eddie and Elwood,
I appologize for my overly suttle attempt at satire on my earlier post.
I am right with you on wondering what the gay agenda is.
As best I can tell the gay agenda is anytime anyone anywhere tries not to be bigotted in matters possibly related to homosexualism.
That is as good of a description as I can come by.
Posted by: Citizen home
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October 13, 2008 01:49 PM
Zatharus,
chavs is not a troll but a regular contributor to these pages. That is, when he's not been kicked out for misbehavior which by current standards is pretty nebulous.
Is this Ark or what! I hope chasv remains with us. We need reminding of what the state is about. Arkansas is home to several species closely related to chasv (you know, cousins and stuff).
Additionally, we've been good for chasv inasmuch that his grammar has actually improved during the course of his blogging career at AT blog. One small step for Arkansas, one giant step for chasv.
As an observer of the Ark scene for over 60 years I find chasv obsessive views on homosexuality very interesting. There's not a subject in the entire known universe that gets chasv so excited, "riled up" and quoting scripture as homosexuality does.
Regarding the Biblical basis for homo-hate I noted that homosexuality never made it into the Ten Commandments, the set of rules which is thought by many to shape moral beliefs of Western Civilization and some legal experts maintain is the basis for our legal code.
Likewise homosexuality was never mentioned by the Prince of Peace, Jesus of Nazareth around whom the New Testament was written.
There are many other behavioral prohibitions listed in the bible so many and so common that one must wonder what lurks in the minds of those who choose just one and harp upon it obsessively while they consume pork which was the NO-NO of all no-nos. Even touching swine in any form was prohibited. But, just try to imagine a preacher building a sermon around pork chops and ham. Sex is much more appealing.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much, chasv.
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Posted by: eLwood
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October 13, 2008 01:51 PM
charlie, If it is not in the bible I don't want to know about it... because a man wrote it... it wasn't inspired by the Lord!
Elwood, I agree with you, I am getting better as my memory of things I learned slowly comes back.
You mentioned 60. Well I am probably older than you are..
I came from the old school.
Elwood, I have told you over and over that Jesus told his apostles that what so ever they bind on earth will be bound in heaven; what so ever you loose on earth will be loose in heaven.. and that the twelve apostles will judge the people,, judge. Don't that tell you something?
Read the first chapter of Romans....see what the apostle Paul saif about homosexualism. Remember
Apostle Paul will be judging us. As a matter of fact I will be judge. If dbi, jazzy, zelda, snake, larry, max and you and some others come before me watch out.
Anything that is not of FAITH IS SIN!
Posted by: chasv
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October 13, 2008 02:11 PM
chasv, I'm not too sure about "bindings" that's pretty damn kinky, even for me.
But you nary mentioned pork. Wonder why?
I still wonder what is in the deep secret hearts of people who obsess about homosexuality?
Hell, chasv obsesses about premarital sex.
Once I was made to go to men's prayer group, I had hit 14 and it was fundie rite of passage
I suppose. Here was grown men kneeled around a table pouring out their souls to jesus, their
butts pushing next to each other, arms around each other and some squeezing the hands of others.
That's when I cashed out on church. Way too weird for me.
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Posted by: eLwood
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October 13, 2008 02:25 PM
Chasv,
In reference to your 2:11 post:
It is obvious that you don't want to know about anything that is not in the bible. That is why you can make such outrageous, ill-informed, and dangerous remarks.
Your comment about not reading things "men" write [I assume you also mean women as well, or maybe, especially] the text of your "bible" was written entirely by men and women. The original source was Jewish scripture written in Aramaic and Hebrew. Do you know rabbis to this day debate the meaning of words in this - the source document of your bible? One such word is abomination which, in Hebrew, is totally devoid of the meaning you give it in English. Of course, that mis-terminology is what you constantly throw at gay citizens.
Additionally, even the original Hebrew text was edited many times based on what was happening to the tribe during that period. I think they were men who did the editing. That seems a bit below God's pay grade. [Pardon the terrible reference to Obama's gross use of this phrase at the Saddleback Interview.]
Anyway, marching through history we have various Christian diciples writing their thoughts down [did you know that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were men?] Word has it that at least one of them was gay! You guess which one you don't want to abide by now.
Then of course the Greeks translated the documents from Hebrew, the Romans translated it into Latin, God only knows how much was written and mis-written during the Middle Ages, until we arrive at the document you are most likely mentioning, the St. James Version. That was put together by a committee. Ever worked on a committee Chasv? It's an exercise in compromise. BUT if you want to believe every word is god-given you certainly have that right. BUT, if as you say, you don't read what is written by man [does that make us on this blog mini-gods because you sure read what we write!] you have and exhibit an awfully narrow understanding of the world. But perhaps that is what you really want - the safety of not thinking, not changing. Congratulations, you are achieving your goals.
Posted by: Janus
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October 13, 2008 03:25 PM
Poor children of the state of Arkansas. Supporters and detractors alike are caught up worrying about the gay folk.
Dang it people! This is about children!
The Family Council is looking to ban perfectly good straight homes, too, all to get at the gays...and at the price of our children.
Just say no on 1.
Just say no.
Posted by: InLivingColor
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October 13, 2008 03:40 PM
I SO love rationality in a church! Y'know: for a change.
Below at clicky is Prof. Erwin Chemerinsky, law dean of University of California at Irvine addressing all this same-sex marriage / gay adoption shizz.
And why Proposition 8 in California is profoundly important not just to same-sex Americans but to all of us.
'Course, this is Arkansas. Statistically bottom-rung in virtually everything, but top-rung in the nation's biggest Inferiority Complex.
Wonder why? Bible Belt Bigotry promoted in the name of God? Inferior education? Reflexive exaltation of the Good Ol' Boy? Resentful, angry envy? Ignorant fear of The Other, Outsiders and Elites?
Uh, you betcha.
You know: like all those ancient religious tribes and sects in the Middle East with a different mosque on every corner.
Today's Natural State Takeaway Keywords and vocabulary-builders?
"Inferiority Complex" and "Religious."
Posted by: NormaBates
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October 13, 2008 06:31 PM
Does this clicky work better? The previous one seemed stuck on loading.
If there's one thing I hate it's a blogger who's stuck loading.
Posted by: NormaBates
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October 13, 2008 06:40 PM
Today is FILLED with truthiness on this issue!
So, of course, am I.
Posted by: NormaBates
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October 13, 2008 07:14 PM
Janus, tell me something I don't know.
By the way the Bible has sold more than any other book ever written. It is the most popular book ever written.
Janus, don't be a stiff neck hypocrite.
I said that the men God had to write the bible were influenced by God, meaning they were inspired to write.
The bible doesn't contradict itself. It never changes but every time you read it you learn more.
Posted by: chasv
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October 13, 2008 08:10 PM
Children deserve their biological parents to raise them but, unfortunately, in some cases this is not possible. Foster homes and orphanages are not a desireable alternative. However, in some cases they are the only alternative. It concerns me that we consider any other alternative to orphanages as acceptable. I don't think that anyone, no matter how far left their ideology, would find a pedophile a desireable alternative. Others consider homosexuality just as objectionable and undesireable as an environment for raising children. It is a legitimate objection based on sound reasons of morality and normal development. I have raised many children, some with no father or mother, but they were raised with the image of a loving husband and wife.
Posted by: strangelove
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October 13, 2008 10:30 PM
>>It is a legitimate objection based on sound reasons of morality and normal development.<<
But not on facts.
Posted by: eLwood
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October 14, 2008 02:18 AM
>>Janus, tell me something I don't know.
By the way the Bible has sold more than any other book ever written. It is the most popular book ever written. <<
chasv
But what does any of that have to do with the Biblical prohibition against eating pork? Touching any part of the swine?
I'm waiting chasv .
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Posted by: eLwood
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October 14, 2008 02:24 AM
elwood, what is it about pork that you want to know? I missed it. Or I thought it might be just trivia from you.
I think you may be talking about a man porking another man in the Arse. dung hole.
Well, the jews weren't soppose to eat pork because a hog is filthy(remember the demos Jesus cast out of the man with legions of demons and let them enter the swine) and God wanted his children to be clean... see the Lord was coming to this world through the jewish people as God promised Abraham, that through his seed all nation of earth will be blessed and, elwood, by the Grace of God we are blessed with the Son of God being born into the world through Abraham's seed of a Virgin.. His Blood was shed on mount calvery to wash away all the sins of man if they repented of them and believed in Him.
Anything else you need?
Posted by: chasv
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October 14, 2008 10:43 AM
elwood, wisdon is how you use your knowledge. I know you have lots of knowledge but wisdom comes from God.
Get wisdom and hold on to her. Knowledge is nothing if you don't have wisdom.
A wise man will believe in God a fool will not. I believe you almost believe but am a little short of salvation.
It is not too late.
Posted by: chasv
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October 14, 2008 10:54 AM
Hello, homosexual agenda is to make every man, woman and children sex objects. Like homosexuals did in sodom and gomorah. Even ponpii where the volcano erupted and killed all men, women and children were buried under all the ashes...
In these places sex was the main menu.
Posted by: chasv
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October 14, 2008 09:17 PM