Women are angry
So says a poll of women by the Daily Beast. They think there's gender bias in the media. They think female candidates -- both Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin -- didn't get an even break, Palin worse than Hillary, but Hillary worse than male candidates. A bunch of them think men are sexist pigs (i.e., many men think men are better suited to be president). Most of them believe they are treated unfairly in the workplace.
I think, as usual, that the women are right.




Comments
Of course there is gender bias in a country that has always seen the stately white haired male as the father, leader, owner, boss. However, the problem for Hillary was the leftwing whackos that don't know her but decided she was evil and worked 24/7 to bite off the hand that made them viable and gave them oxygen. The problem for Palin was a poor education and a premature entrance into politics which embarrassed her peers.
I like Tina Brown and I'm interested in the new site but I don't think the media, although MSNBC and CNN were hideous in their ripping of Hillary, were responsible for her loss (she was winning big time when she ran out of states), and I don't think they were responsible for the lack of intelligence on the part of Palin.
Sorry, I don't buy it.
Posted by: Ci.Ci
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November 19, 2008 07:32 AM
Women are angry :: Dog bites man.
Posted by: Carrick Patterson
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November 19, 2008 07:32 AM
Gender bias started in the Garden of Eden.
Posted by: Cato
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November 19, 2008 08:22 AM
Too True CiCi.
Hillary ran poor campaign. It was over before she realized she had lost. She had a poor plan, wasted money, and did not manage her staff. Palin is a talented media girl but was clearly not ready for national politics. Had she followed Stephens to the Senate after a term or two as governor she might have been in 10 years. The media loves the inside baseball stuff. It's all politics and personalities because the politicians have separated the electorate along cultural lines. They have no use for issues other than to influence the vote. They govern behind closed doors.
Even this is just more inside baseball nonsense. We play into their hands by being separated in this way. When go back to caring about the issues instead of the theatrics they will have to make sense again, not until.
Posted by: GeorgeRastasPeabodyIII
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November 19, 2008 08:41 AM
There was absolutely nothing I liked about Sarah Palin other than her glasses, but there's no question the nickname Caribou Barbie -- which I saw on this blog more than once, Max, even though you NEVER would have tolerated something like that in Hillary's case -- was out and out sexist. Any Dem who used it has no right to complain about how Hillary was treated.
Posted by: hillbillyswamp
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November 19, 2008 08:59 AM
Sexism in America is one issue. Sexism in American politics is the same issue only different.
Caribou Barbie actually had meaning. It was more than demeaning although that part of it was intended for a real reason. It fit. A Beauty Queen from Idaho St. who had managed to get elected governor of Alaska was out of her depth.
I loved the old definition here that feminism will succeed once a female schumck has been promoted as easily as a male schumck. Mission Accomplished. That wasn't sexism that was feminism, the American way.
We are sexual beings. It will always be so. I hope.
Posted by: GeorgeRastasPeabodyIII
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November 19, 2008 09:14 AM
The McCain campaign was actually the first to call her Caribou Barbie by denying her access to the press. What other message was there?
Posted by: GeorgeRastasPeabodyIII
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November 19, 2008 09:16 AM
A good portion of any anti women media spewage was orginated by women. Examples: Gloria Steinem's whining about Palins not earning her feminism seal of approval and Tina Fey whining about how much she hates her career being boosted by her resemblance to Palin and hoped it would soon go away.
Reooww.
Posted by: bugeyedlittlefreak
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November 19, 2008 09:26 AM
I fail to see the so-called "bias" as others. I watched the bias-ridicule shown to Huckabee yesterday about his whining, his weight, his attitude, etc. Allan Keyes was ridiculed just as
Tancredo. Saturday night live ridicules Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton and does a helluva job on
Donald Trump. No mention of the ageism shown to John McCain nor is he allowed to complain
about it. Jay Leno opened so many shows with jokes about McCain's age.
Let's not overlook that women control most of the wealth in the U.S.A.
So, I'm with Carrick, not much new here.
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Posted by: eLwood
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November 19, 2008 09:28 AM
"Caribou Barbie actually had meaning. It was more than demeaning although that part of it was intended for a real reason. It fit."
And "cold hearted, calculating bitch"?
Posted by: mudturtle
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November 19, 2008 10:20 AM
I'm of the generation that didn't consider feminism a dirty word then, and I don't now. At the same time, I sometimes wonder if the use of the word widens the gap.
Now politics I consider a dirty word. I suspect that from the beginning of time, in all its shapes, it has been a dirty process. Maybe a neophyte who jumps into the process doesn't realize that, but he or she soon learns.
The media? More and more they seem to emphasize the inconsequentials of a political campaign. How often did a journalist pin down a candidate on his or her health care ideas, for example? Or Iraq and Afghanistan? On energy independence? Or on the economic crisis that didn't just appear fully grown in October?
When these subjects were broached and candidates -- all the candidates to some extent -- danced around them, how many journalists brought them right back to square one and asked again.
I'll make much the same argument for the debate moderators -- which brings me to the debates. Laughable -- nothing but, particularly in view of how much more enlightening they could have been.
Saturday Night Live? Entertainment, yes. Enlightenment? Hardly.
Bias in the media, gender or otherwise? Sure. But also I'm inclined to think that the media is trying to give us what they think we want. The news business is like any other business, a money making enterprise.
Didn't like this network's or that newspaper's coverage? Don't just sit back and whine to your friends about it. Make damn sure advertisers and sponsors know how you feel. All of you, but women in particular. Think about it. How many of you hold the bulk your family's discretionary spending right there in your checkbook? Use that power.
(A little tip: If you haven't started taking hubby to the grocery store, don't. Some of 'em are worse than a cart full of kiddies in the cereal aisle. "Why don't you buy this brand? That's what they advertise on . . ." Sheesh. And that's my gender bias. Ok, ok, one of 'em.)
Posted by: Doigotta
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November 19, 2008 10:26 AM
If you haven't started taking hubby to the grocery store, don't. Some of 'em are worse than a cart full of kiddies in the cereal aisle. "Why don't you buy this brand? That's what they advertise on . . .<<
Uh huh. And since women do most of the shopping who do you suppose "That's what they advertise on..." is directed towards?
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Posted by: eLwood
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November 19, 2008 10:36 AM
I read the article at The Daily Beast yesterday and thought I'm a feminist, so are most women, they just don't realize it.
The label gets in the way and I would be happy with a different one for women who believe that we deserve the same rights as men.
"Feminist activists have campaigned for women's legal rights (rights of contract, property rights, voting rights); for women's right to bodily integrity and autonomy, for abortion rights, and for reproductive rights (including access to contraception and quality prenatal care); for protection from domestic violence, sexual harassment and rape;for workplace rights, including maternity leave and equal pay; and against other forms of discrimination."
While we can argue that one has to be pro-choice to be a feminist it seems to me that most women would agree that we should have the right to vote, own property, sign contracts, to be paid the same as a man for the same job...ect.
Only someone like Phyllis Schlafly seems to think being protected from domestic violence is a bad idea.
I think that there was sexism in the coverage of the election, but neither Sen. Clinton nor Gov. Palin lost because of it. Hillary ran a bad campaign at the beginning and did not recover until it was too late. Palin was a cynical choice who was woefully unprepared, lacked the intellectual depth required of one (with little experience) running for national office and had a ton of ethical and personal baggage.
I could never get past her mean, petty convention speech and the fact that she was willing to humiliate, on a world-wide basis, her pregnant teen-age daughter for the sake of the Republican party and a shot at being VP.
Both actions would turn my stomach no matter what the gender of the candidate had been.
ugh and....ugh
Posted by: Any*Mouse
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November 19, 2008 10:58 AM
Of course there is bias, but considering that there are more women than me, if women wanted to change it they could. That said, women get played like everyone else, remember the super-moms? The word feminism has come to mean anti-male, rather than pro-female. The book believers are part of the problem; propagandizing that souls will be lost if women are uppity. If men feel threatened by strong women the fault is not the women. Remember, even Hillary stood by her man.
"[Feminism is] a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians. " Pat Robertson
Posted by: Zatharus
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November 19, 2008 11:06 AM
I meant, considering that there are more women than me(n).
"If you want it done right...better get a woman to do it."
Gnome of Wisdom
Posted by: Zatharus
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November 19, 2008 11:14 AM
Hillary lost because Obama is such a hunk.
Posted by: bugeyedlittlefreak
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November 19, 2008 11:49 AM
Thanks Zar. All those women CEOs out to "destroy capitalism" along with all those women who make up the majority of investment seminars. Then there's feminazi Susie Orr taking down capitalism each and every day by encouraging people to save, pay off credit cards while Shit4Brains encourages his faithful to SPEND, SPEND, SPEND into the oblivion we have today.
It's so good to see sanity returning to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
I didn't truly care which one, Hillary or Obama, took the office.
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Posted by: eLwood
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November 19, 2008 12:41 PM
This seems an appropriate place to plug a feminist event
The Kick-off Fundraiser Event for (how sexist is "kick-off?")
the First Fayetteville Festival of
Goddesses, Angels, and Amazons
will be held
Saturday, November 29th, 2008
at Soap & Vick's place
11585 Ed Edwards Road, Fayetteville, AR
Directions: vjkelley@peoplepc.com
Chili Supper,
Hoecakes, and Campfire Hoedown
Dinners served 5:00PM until 8:00PM
Menu:
Buffalo Chili
Vegetarian Chili
Old Fashioned Chili with Beans
Cornmeal Hoecakes
Toppings, garnishes, and extras
Variety of Beverages and Desserts
$10 donation
Kids under 10 years of age eat free
Music and Campfire Sing-a-long
until 10:00PM
Proceeds to benefit
The First Fayetteville Goddess Festival:
Goddesses, Angels, and Amazons
Scheduled for March 2009
The Goddess Festival is a new event in Northwest Arkansas. We are gearing up to bring you some exciting shows and programs devoted to reclaiming the Goddess. Check back often to preview upcoming events!
We believe the world is in need of a profound shift in consciousness - from a paradigm of war and aggression to one of peace and cooperation. This will not happen until women are full partners in the decision making process and women's values are honored. (Diana Rivers)"
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Posted by: eLwood
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November 19, 2008 12:51 PM
ACTIONS didn't tarnish the term "feminist" so much as the wingnuts successful "redefinition" did!! I have been proud to be considered one ever since being "reindoctrinated" by a raging one "back in the day" (mid-70's). Just like "liberal," feminism's original intent of equality got stuffed by the likes of the walking cadaver, Phillis Schlafly!! There is nothing quite so ugly as witnessing a biological woman turn on her own, similar to blacks who insist THEIR fight for equality is somehow more noble and superior to that of gays' fight - WRONG, Bucky!!! My "proof" to those espousing THAT particular brand of hypocrisy is the introductory film at the Civll Rights Museum, which equates the struggles of blacks, Latinos & gays.
Pass the Equal Rights Amendment!!!!! And TRUE equality allows the use of Caribou Barbie Moosejaw just like "Slick Willy."
My "indoctrinator" also exampled her feminism by stating it was her DUTY to check out strip clubs to observe first-hand how other "sisters" earned a living during the struggle. THAT'S what I'm talkin' about - EQUALITY...
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Posted by: Larry
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November 19, 2008 01:15 PM
AND as the house-husband who does ALL the shopping I have retained one gender-based bias about it, but it's based upon reality:
[ ] a woman SELDOM will invite someone in the line behind her with one item to go ahead of her cart-full
[ ] a man NEVER stands observing the dozens of items being scanned & bagged, and THEN when the total (surprisingly ;>) pops up:
1) takes his purse off his shoulder
2) fumbles thru multiple jetsam to retrieve his wallet
3) drops the numerous pieces of whatever that is stuffed inside the wallet's fold
4) laboriously counts out the dough (down to the exact change, which of course is in the change pouch) OR shuflles thru numerous charge/debit cards OR worst of all retrieves the checkbook, which then involves contortions to hold onto all this crapola while attempting to write a check...
...need I continue?!!! THAT is when I become an MCP...sorta.
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Posted by: Larry
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November 19, 2008 01:29 PM
Russian proverbs:
"Hair is long, mind is short."
"Woman has as many brains as egg does hair."
Posted by: Cato
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November 19, 2008 02:54 PM
Complaining women----any guy over the age of 16 is well aware of this. What's new? They have 90% of what they want now and won't quit till the get the remaining 10% and then they will whine some more.
Posted by: strangelove
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November 19, 2008 07:01 PM
Not gonna start a fight with either of you, eLwood or Larry.
Well, not right now anyway.
Elwood, I base my complaint on a come-lately-to-grocery-shopping gentleman who believes virtually every syllable of advertising he hears on television. I, on the other hand, have spent in excess of 40-plus shopping years with a highly arched eyebrow and a disdainful uh huh growling from my throat. As you might guess, it can be a tussle at the grocery store, especially since almost everything he wants has beaucoups (how do you spell that anyway?) of fat, salt or sugar, or all of the above.
And Larry, I am not guilty of any of the above complaints, ever. Well, ok, I do watch the checkout screen closely. I do say, Wait! when the wrong price pops up ands insist that it be corrected. (Hey, that's my 23 cents!) But fumble with the check? Uh uh. Partially filled out before I get in line if the lines are short or in line if I'm gonna have to wait.
And if you're really nice and only have one or two items, I might let you get in line in front of me. Maybe. Well, I might be in a foul mood that day, someone having just made me spittin' mad . . .
Oh, well, just take your chances.
Posted by: Doigotta
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November 19, 2008 08:08 PM